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Old Oct 25th 2011, 2:03 pm
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If you knew that establishments (shop, restaurants or companies generally) treated their staff poorly, would it put you off giving them your custom? Would you avoid going there?

I can't really name places for legal reasons (although I know quite a few and I am sure you do too) but am generally curious about the bored's (sic) take on this.
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definitely. I don't want my meal ruined by knowing I'm surrounded by miserable people who are treated badly. And more importantly, I don't want to contribute to the success of the asshole who benefits from it.
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Explain "poorly"
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ever take a cab ?
fill up your car ?
stay in a hotel ?
have your haircut ?
who built your house ?

many many companies treat their employees like shite here - be nice to give your patronage to companies who can prove they treat people well but I can't think of any who advertise the fact
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^^^ as above, if I was to take that attitude I could not use any service.

unless the guy is openly horsewhipping his staff in front of me.
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You employ someone, you take advantage of their deficiencies/your advantages in order to make a profit off the sweat of their brow. Surplus value . Marxism 101.

This applies anywhere on the planet.

Avoid the more extreme examples and at least you sleep better. I do. If you think too much about it, yes, you wouldn't take a cab, buy a meal, etc etc. So you have to be realistic.
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If you knew that establishments (shop, restaurants or companies generally) treated their staff poorly, would it put you off giving them your custom? Would you avoid going there?

I can't really name places for legal reasons (although I know quite a few and I am sure you do too) but am generally curious about the bored's (sic) take on this.
If I did, I would no be able to shop here at all.
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If you knew that establishments (shop, restaurants or companies generally) treated their staff poorly, would it put you off giving them your custom? Would you avoid going there?

I can't really name places for legal reasons (although I know quite a few and I am sure you do too) but am generally curious about the bored's (sic) take on this.
Tricky one...the employees are likely there because they can't move anywhere else. So taking aware my custom will only mean they receive less money/perks or it gets so bad (in terms of the business) that they are made redundant and hopefully find a better job somewhere else.

As you will be well aware, the majority of low paid workers here are not treated fairly. The only thing I do that may or not make a difference is tip everyone in low denominations of cash (e.g. is it is a 50dh tip, use 5 and 10 dh notes) and hope it goes to the right staff. Not worthy of a Nobel prize, but I can't really think of much more that could make a difference here.
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Tricky one...the employees are likely there because they can't move anywhere else. So taking aware my custom will only mean they receive less money/perks or it gets so bad (in terms of the business) that they are made redundant and hopefully find a better job somewhere else.

As you will be well aware, the majority of low paid workers here are not treated fairly. The only thing I do that may or not make a difference is tip everyone in low denominations of cash (e.g. is it is a 50dh tip, use 5 and 10 dh notes) and hope it goes to the right staff. Not worthy of a Nobel prize, but I can't really think of much more that could make a difference here.
me too
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It's a depressing question.

I try to treat people with dignity and tIp well. I would avoid places that I knew treated their staff badly but... But... Here? That could be everywhere.

Although, I was consulting at a company today where the boss is a bloody gem and the staff, whilst made to work hard and paid peanuts, are genuinely happy and passionate about their work. It didnt half lift my spirits. A tiny company with more balls, more creativity and more integrity than some of the major media players here. Restored my faith in Dubai human nature.

I heard that certain petrol companies don't let the pump attendants keep their tips... That there are no pockets on their trousers because of this. Jeez.
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definitely. I don't want my meal ruined by knowing I'm surrounded by miserable people who are treated badly. And more importantly, I don't want to contribute to the success of the asshole who benefits from it.
Unless it's McD's and their apple pies

But other wise, yeah, generally avoid giving money over to especially known, bad companies, Nike, Apple etc.
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You employ someone, you take advantage of their deficiencies/your advantages in order to make a profit off the sweat of their brow. Surplus value . Marxism 101.

This applies anywhere on the planet.

Avoid the more extreme examples and at least you sleep better. I do. If you think too much about it, yes, you wouldn't take a cab, buy a meal, etc etc. So you have to be realistic.
Or move somewhere else. You aren't any better than those slaves, just luckier.
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I don't mind tipping to feel better and hope that it does actually make it to them and make some small difference.

Restaurants take the piss with a standard 10% service charge, so I don't tip at all unless they've been good. I sort of agree with the start of Reservoir Dogs, it's got to be good service to warrant a bonus, especially on top of the 10%.....but I generally do anyway.

Does anyone else get annoyed though, in a taxi when the bloke has driven like a complete maniac, not really known where he's going and generally been a bit blunt / rude. Then you come to pay and its 22dizzers for example, you give 30 and wait, you get the 5 and then they just stop doing anything, expecting to be rewarded with an extra 3dhms for being a prick.

I normally just give up and let them have it, 50p isn't the end of the world, but I feel like they're winning everytime. Drive like a twat = tip.
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I sort of agree with the start of Reservoir Dogs.
Yeah, like we know what the F#@& you're talking about. Here's a tip Scamp: Nobody remembers the opening scene from your favorite movie.
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Yeah, like we know what the F#@& you're talking about. Here's a tip Scamp: Nobody remembers the opening scene from your favorite movie.
Challenge Accepted.

Can anybody on here remember the opening scene to Reservoir Dogs when they discuss tips?

To help you; Tarantino's debut as director, 1992, small budget, some big name actors.

I'll be astounded if no one has heard of it, the debate about tips at the start is spot on.
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