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-   The Sand Pit (https://britishexpats.com/forum/sand-pit-116/)
-   -   Machete attack in London (https://britishexpats.com/forum/sand-pit-116/machete-attack-london-797789/)

kittycat1 May 22nd 2013 9:28 pm
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personaly I think deportation is a bad idea. These guys are fundamentalists, going back to their home countries who knows what they will get involved in. They should not have any opportunity to spread their vile opinions or warp any other young vulnerable minds. Deporting them won't solve the problem.Life in prison in isolation- As much as Guatanamo bay possibly breaks a few human rights I believe they have some space.

co durham boy May 22nd 2013 9:34 pm
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Originally Posted by kittycat1 (Post 10720622)
personaly I think deportation is a bad idea. These guys are fundamentalists, going back to their home countries who knows what they will get involved in. They should not have any opportunity to spread their vile opinions or warp any other young vulnerable minds. Deporting them won't solve the problem.Life in prison in isolation- As much as Guatanamo bay possibly breaks a few human rights I believe they have some space.
We could open our own Guatanamo Bay in somewhere like Scunthorpe ?

Bahtatboy May 22nd 2013 9:34 pm
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Originally Posted by Meow (Post 10720578)
They word things carefully so as to stay on the right side of the law. As I said, I bet the private face is rather different to the public one. And that comment applies equally to governments.

The phrase 'at war' as used by the governments refer to other issues, not the actions of two nutters on the streets. Issues like 15 nutters on some planes. I hardly think the situations compare. Only in scale. I don't like the language used by government and I am not convinced that yesterday's murder is actually a 'terrorist' act. It's too easy to use that kind of tabloid shorthand.
No, I don't believe its a terrorist act either, in that I doubt it has broad sponsorship. Which actually makes the issue harder to deal with.

Millhouse May 22nd 2013 9:34 pm
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Originally Posted by kittycat1 (Post 10720622)
personaly I think deportation is a bad idea. These guys are fundamentalists, going back to their home countries who knows what they will get involved in. They should not have any opportunity to spread their vile opinions or warp any other young vulnerable minds. Deporting them won't solve the problem.Life in prison in isolation- As much as Guatanamo bay possibly breaks a few human rights I believe they have some space.
I believe that the Bay has created many times more extremists than it ever locked up.

scrubbedexpat141 May 22nd 2013 9:35 pm
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Originally Posted by Millhouse (Post 10720537)
Fair point. Seems I had assumed this. Like the EDL'ers I'm sure.
Racist.

Blue Cat May 22nd 2013 9:36 pm
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It appears the killers hailed from Nigeria, on a video I just watched he said hey did it because they want the killing to stop in their country.

Meow May 22nd 2013 9:39 pm
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/ma...slim-reprisals

"Scores of supporters of the English Defence League threw bottles at police and chanted anti-Muslim slogans in Woolwich hours after the murder of one man and the shooting of his two suspected assailants.

About 100 men, including some wearing balaclavas printed with "EDL", engaged in running battles with police for less than an hour."

shiva May 22nd 2013 9:42 pm
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Originally Posted by Bahtatboy (Post 10720634)
No, I don't believe its a terrorist act either, in that I doubt it has broad sponsorship. Which actually makes the issue harder to deal with.
I disagree completely, it was certainly an act of terror by any definition and has spread just that through the British people. If the video is to be believed then its also a self confessed act of terror. Various Islamic terrorist organisations have advocated exactly these kind of attacks so it already has broad sponsorship within the extremes. This is the worst kind of terrorism and the hardest to prevent and combat, so hard in fact as to be effectively impossible to stop.

By denying it as an act of terror we lessen the crime, this was not a crime of passion in the heat of the moment but a calculated act designed to inflame.

Blue Cat May 22nd 2013 9:43 pm
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Originally Posted by Meow (Post 10720649)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/ma...slim-reprisals

"Scores of supporters of the English Defence League threw bottles at police and chanted anti-Muslim slogans in Woolwich hours after the murder of one man and the shooting of his two suspected assailants.

About 100 men, including some wearing balaclavas printed with "EDL", engaged in running battles with police for less than an hour."
if these EDL people are against Islam why are they attacking the police who shot the two tossers? they are vile scum if you ask me (EDL)

Meow May 22nd 2013 9:44 pm
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Originally Posted by Blue Cat (Post 10720600)
cousins the lot, they would think twice then if it affect their entire families
You have got to be kidding. For argument's sake, let's say you were born in the UAE and have a passport. Your cousins have similar but you aren't close and have nothing to do with them on a daily basis. One of them commits a terrible crime and you think it's fair that you and your immediate family should be deported, back to a country you never lived in?

Blue Cat May 22nd 2013 9:48 pm
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Originally Posted by Meow (Post 10720663)
You have got to be kidding. For argument's sake, let's say you were born in the UAE and have a passport. Your cousins have similar but you aren't close and have nothing to do with them on a daily basis. One of them commits a terrible crime and you think it's fair that you and your immediate family should be deported, back to a country you never lived in?
if the person in question knew that if he committed a horrific crime that the end result would be deportation of the entire family, I think you would see less terror crimes happening in Britain. Just my thoughts.

Meow May 22nd 2013 9:49 pm
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Originally Posted by Blue Cat (Post 10720671)
if the person in question knew that if he committed a horrific crime that the end result would be deportation of the entire family, I think you would see less terror crimes happening in Britain. Just my thoughts.
Do you really think that voilent nutters who are prepared to commit such atrocities really care about anyone?

Blue Cat May 22nd 2013 9:52 pm
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Originally Posted by Meow (Post 10720676)
Do you really think that voilent nutters who are prepared to commit such atrocities really care about anyone?
I agree but if the consequences were a bit stronger then they might think twice.

Meow May 22nd 2013 9:56 pm
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Originally Posted by Blue Cat (Post 10720683)
I agree but if the consequences were a bit stronger then they might think twice.
Well that argument doesn't work for the death penalty...


I also don't believe you really mean that. You aren't mean. And it makes you sound like your mother... ;);)

Blue Cat May 22nd 2013 9:59 pm
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Originally Posted by Meow (Post 10720688)
Well that argument doesn't work for the death penalty...


I also don't believe you really mean that. You aren't mean. And it makes you sound like your mother... ;);)
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: right school run time :p


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