know anyone leaving?
Feb 11th 2018 | 10:29 pm
#107
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From: Dubai
Re: know anyone leaving?
Really? REALLY? A 19th Century throwback who stands to gain massively from a hard Brexit? A man who is anti-abortion but who invests in abortion pill-making companies? A man who thinks the existence of foodbanks is "uplifting"?
I don't get this desire to take Britain back to Victorian times. It's pure fantasy and will leave us all looking very silly. And it could well destroy the Union (not the European one).
I don't get this desire to take Britain back to Victorian times. It's pure fantasy and will leave us all looking very silly. And it could well destroy the Union (not the European one).
JRM is upfront with his beliefs and whether you agree with them or not, it has to be admired rather than lying and/or hiding controversial or divided views.
Feb 11th 2018 | 10:31 pm
#108
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Re: know anyone leaving?
Boris as PM, Mogg as Chancellor. A real dream team - I'd rather it was the other way around mind you but not sure about Boris and maths.
Feb 11th 2018 | 10:39 pm
#109
...we killed the flame
Joined: Jan 2017
Posts: 1,086
From: Dubai
Re: know anyone leaving?
In the Xmas panto you mean. Hinge and Brackett for our time. Sanctimonious skinflint and bluffing buffoon - hard to know which is scarier: their malevolent intent or utter incompetence. God help us all (it's about the only thing that might work)...
Feb 11th 2018 | 10:45 pm
#110
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From: UK
Re: know anyone leaving?
JRM is great - despite what you say and has a large and growing following. Sounds like you've been reading too much in The Independent, I know for a fact that the 'uplifting' statement was taken completely out of context having read the full exchange.
JRM is upfront with his beliefs and whether you agree with them or not, it has to be admired rather than lying and/or hiding controversial or divided views.
JRM is upfront with his beliefs and whether you agree with them or not, it has to be admired rather than lying and/or hiding controversial or divided views.
and anyway, I don't think he is as honest as he's made out to be.Personally I just don't see how someone from a massively privileged background can be seen to represent the people. What does he know about real life that 99% of the population go through (although that's true for most politicians). I can't understand what is attractive about him, other than a cut-glass accent and a certain olde-world charm, but we're electing representatives, not museum pieces. Can someone explain it to me?
Feb 12th 2018 | 12:04 am
#111
Hit 16's
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From: Of all the gin joints, in all the towns, in all the world, she walks into mine
Feb 12th 2018 | 12:06 am
#112
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 2,863
From: Buraydah , Saudi Arabia
Re: know anyone leaving?
Surprised there's so many Europhiles here given the hindsight following the vote to leave.
- Doomsday scenarios failing to materialise
- Plenty of success stories and investment in the UK #despitebrexit
- Strong employment figures and the pound bouncing back
- Bullying tactics from the EU against other member states
- EU acting more like a mafia racket
- Explicitly stating the desire to become a 'United States of Europe' and all that would bring...
Of course there's still uncertainty and it is far from perfect (with a terrible negotiating team and government...) however I feel it will be positive for the long term, especially if Rees-Mogg is at the helm!
- Doomsday scenarios failing to materialise
- Plenty of success stories and investment in the UK #despitebrexit
- Strong employment figures and the pound bouncing back
- Bullying tactics from the EU against other member states
- EU acting more like a mafia racket
- Explicitly stating the desire to become a 'United States of Europe' and all that would bring...
Of course there's still uncertainty and it is far from perfect (with a terrible negotiating team and government...) however I feel it will be positive for the long term, especially if Rees-Mogg is at the helm!
Feb 12th 2018 | 12:08 am
#113
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 2,863
From: Buraydah , Saudi Arabia
Re: know anyone leaving?
Surprised there's so many Europhiles here given the hindsight following the vote to leave.
- Doomsday scenarios failing to materialise
- Plenty of success stories and investment in the UK #despitebrexit
- Strong employment figures and the pound bouncing back
- Bullying tactics from the EU against other member states
- EU acting more like a mafia racket
- Explicitly stating the desire to become a 'United States of Europe' and all that would bring...
Of course there's still uncertainty and it is far from perfect (with a terrible negotiating team and government...) however I feel it will be positive for the long term, especially if Rees-Mogg is at the helm!
- Doomsday scenarios failing to materialise
- Plenty of success stories and investment in the UK #despitebrexit
- Strong employment figures and the pound bouncing back
- Bullying tactics from the EU against other member states
- EU acting more like a mafia racket
- Explicitly stating the desire to become a 'United States of Europe' and all that would bring...
Of course there's still uncertainty and it is far from perfect (with a terrible negotiating team and government...) however I feel it will be positive for the long term, especially if Rees-Mogg is at the helm!
Feb 12th 2018 | 12:11 am
#114
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 2,863
From: Buraydah , Saudi Arabia
Re: know anyone leaving?
And you seem quite emotional too So where's the guff coming from? After all, one can't deny unemployment is literally at rock bottom, can we? If I were to write a proper rebuttal I'd talk about Japanese industry's threat to withdraw from the UK if we don't keep single market access as a harbinger of things to come if I am to take you seriously. I'm pragmatic enough to know there are risks to the withdrawal and would be willing to have a reasonable discussion about it but one can't do so if the other side keeps shouting the sky is falling and refuse to acknowledge that the EU has many systematic flaws that can potentially justify why the 17+ million and 52% of the 72% turnout (thank you Millhouse) voted to leave and that there may just be more to life than the sanctity of the national economy....
So where's the guff coming from? After all, one can't deny unemployment is literally at rock bottom, can we? If I were to write a proper rebuttal I'd talk about Japanese industry's threat to withdraw from the UK if we don't keep single market access as a harbinger of things to come if I am to take you seriously. I'm pragmatic enough to know there are risks to the withdrawal and would be willing to have a reasonable discussion about it but one can't do so if the other side keeps shouting the sky is falling and refuse to acknowledge that the EU has many systematic flaws that can potentially justify why the 17+ million and 52% of the 72% turnout (thank you Millhouse) voted to leave and that there may just be more to life than the sanctity of the national economy....
Feb 12th 2018 | 12:24 am
#115
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Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 237
From: Dubai
Re: know anyone leaving?
Aha as I've said before on the bored, bad news is 'because of brexit' and all good news is 'but we haven't left yet'...
Feb 12th 2018 | 12:26 am
#116
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Re: know anyone leaving?
Economy could be booming in ten years time, but people will still say, ahah! UK would be even richer if it weren't for Brexit.
Feb 12th 2018 | 3:08 am
#118
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Re: know anyone leaving?
And you seem quite emotional too So where's the guff coming from? After all, one can't deny unemployment is literally at rock bottom, can we? If I were to write a proper rebuttal I'd talk about Japanese industry's threat to withdraw from the UK if we don't keep single market access as a harbinger of things to come if I am to take you seriously. I'm pragmatic enough to know there are risks to the withdrawal and would be willing to have a reasonable discussion about it but one can't do so if the other side keeps shouting the sky is falling and refuse to acknowledge that the EU has many systematic flaws that can potentially justify why the 17+ million and 52% of the 72% turnout (thank you Millhouse) voted to leave and that there may just be more to life than the sanctity of the national economy....
So where's the guff coming from? After all, one can't deny unemployment is literally at rock bottom, can we? If I were to write a proper rebuttal I'd talk about Japanese industry's threat to withdraw from the UK if we don't keep single market access as a harbinger of things to come if I am to take you seriously. I'm pragmatic enough to know there are risks to the withdrawal and would be willing to have a reasonable discussion about it but one can't do so if the other side keeps shouting the sky is falling and refuse to acknowledge that the EU has many systematic flaws that can potentially justify why the 17+ million and 52% of the 72% turnout (thank you Millhouse) voted to leave and that there may just be more to life than the sanctity of the national economy....Unfortunately neither side is capable of reasonable debate.
There's probably a huge amount of value in combining both attitudes to some middle ground and sensible position in some areas. In many others though, we just need to be in or out.
I'm sure that's not true but such is.
Feb 12th 2018 | 3:55 am
#119
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 2,863
From: Buraydah , Saudi Arabia
Re: know anyone leaving?
Feb 12th 2018 | 5:37 am
#120
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Re: know anyone leaving?
I hope the UK doesn't make these types of spelling mistakes when they write their free trade deals with other countries after Brexit. Cuz then we would be really screwed.
