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Re: know anyone leaving?
Originally Posted by ExpatAl
(Post 12440081)
Surprised there's so many Europhiles here given the hindsight following the vote to leave.
- Doomsday scenarios failing to materialise - Plenty of success stories and investment in the UK #despitebrexit - Strong employment figures and the pound bouncing back - Bullying tactics from the EU against other member states - EU acting more like a mafia racket - Explicitly stating the desire to become a 'United States of Europe' and all that would bring... Of course there's still uncertainty and it is far from perfect (with a terrible negotiating team and government...) however I feel it will be positive for the long term, especially if Rees-Mogg is at the helm! Emotional. Unsubstantiated and emotional. Inflation? Can't wait for these interest rate rises eh. Emotional. Emotional. Emotional. Your points are just guff aren't they? |
Re: know anyone leaving?
Originally Posted by ExpatAl
(Post 12440081)
especially if Rees-Mogg is at the helm!
I don't get this desire to take Britain back to Victorian times. It's pure fantasy and will leave us all looking very silly. And it could well destroy the Union (not the European one). |
Re: know anyone leaving?
Originally Posted by Millhouse
(Post 12440078)
The majority of those that voted. Not the majority of the people. Just to clarify your point.
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Re: know anyone leaving?
Originally Posted by Scamp
(Post 12440088)
These sorts of posts make me chuckle. Take your points one-by-one.....
Emotional. Unsubstantiated and emotional. Inflation? Can't wait for these interest rate rises eh. Emotional. Emotional. Emotional. Your points are just guff aren't they? |
Re: know anyone leaving?
Bored now. Can we go back to talking about how Dubai is ****ed?
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Re: know anyone leaving?
Originally Posted by littlejimmy
(Post 12440093)
The majority of those that were ALLOWED to vote, to be even more clear.
No, of course not. They'd be told to shut up, they lost, the EU is the future and there's no going back and laughed at as angry bitter old men ;) The problem is that the EU was a binary situation. There is no satisfactory third way as the EU won't allow one (FOM being the sore point that the UK and EU cannot compromise over). It's either in the EU or out of the EU. Winner takes all. It is not possible to have this be a non-binary situation with multiple options, and all the attempts of the past year by May et al to try to seek a third way compromise is only increasingly inching towards the cold hard realities of a hard Brexit. Ah, good old FOM. If it hadn't been for FOM we wouldn't have left the EU. That, more than anything else, represents the arrogance and folly of politicians and their ideological egos. |
Re: know anyone leaving?
Originally Posted by littlejimmy
(Post 12440061)
But take FOM, it's an interesting issue, because it wasn't an absolute freedom, .
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Re: know anyone leaving?
Originally Posted by littlejimmy
(Post 12440093)
The majority of those that were ALLOWED to vote, to be even more clear.
DXB is on the spectrum and requires absolute clarity so let’s get this right. |
Re: know anyone leaving?
Originally Posted by DXBtoDOH
(Post 12440099)
Ok, let's be honest here. If the results had been opposite, 52% remain and 48% leave, what do you think would be going on? Do you think there would be any conciliatory talks towards the 48% minority and discussions on how meaningful reform could occur to help the 48% minority have greater confidence in the EU and the UK's role in the EU and even promises that there wouldn't be further integration?
No, of course not. They'd be told to shut up, they lost, the EU is the future and there's no going back and laughed at as angry bitter old men ;) Ultimately, the problem is that the EU was a binary situation. There really is no satisfactory third way as the EU won't allow one (FOM being the sore point that the UK and EU cannot compromise over). It's either in the EU or out of the EU. Winner takes all. It is not possible to have this be a non-binary situation with multiple options, and all the attempts of the past year by May et al to try to seek a third way compromise is only increasingly inching towards the cold hard realities of a hard Brexit. Ah, good old FOM. If it hadn't been for FOM we wouldn't have left the EU. That, more than anything else, represents the arrogance and folly of politicians and their ideological egos. If it had been the other way with the same score, Farage would have kept on at it. He said as much before. I'm sure we'd have carried on much the same way. What wouldn't have happened is the government taking such a close result as the "Will of the people" and taking us fully in to a federal superstate and jettisoning all our vetoes, joining Schengen (real FOM/no border!) and scrapping the pound! The referendum should have never been a binary question. There are options like Norway and Switzerland. You can't tell me honestly that every one of the 17m who voted Leave knew exactly what it entailed, that they all voted for the same version of Brexit. Saying otherwise is just downright revisionism. Not even the government thought about the Irish border issue beforehand. Also such referenda with massive constitutional change involved usually have a supermajority in place as well, like 65% having to agree before it goes ahead. All this points to the whole thing being a badly-conceived and hastily arranged means to shut up the margins of the Tory party and hold on to power! |
Re: know anyone leaving?
Originally Posted by Arnold S
(Post 12440101)
Freedom of movement also seems intrinsic to having having a free market economy, I can't see how you can support one but not the other.
EDIT: See what happens? I got you mixed up with ExpatAl and thought you were arguing with me... I got all confuddled and I apologise for my spiky tone. ;) |
Re: know anyone leaving?
Originally Posted by Millhouse
(Post 12440104)
Actually it would be the majority of those that were allowed to vote and did vote.
DXB is on the spectrum and requires absolute clarity so let’s get this right. |
Re: know anyone leaving?
Originally Posted by ExpatAl
(Post 12440081)
Surprised there's so many Europhiles here given the hindsight following the vote to leave.
- Doomsday scenarios failing to materialise - Plenty of success stories and investment in the UK #despitebrexit - Strong employment figures and the pound bouncing back - Bullying tactics from the EU against other member states - EU acting more like a mafia racket - Explicitly stating the desire to become a 'United States of Europe' and all that would bring... Of course there's still uncertainty and it is far from perfect (with a terrible negotiating team and government...) however I feel it will be positive for the long term, especially if Rees-Mogg is at the helm! |
Re: know anyone leaving?
Originally Posted by DXBtoDOH
(Post 12440096)
I'm pragmatic enough to know there are risks to the withdrawal and would be willing to have a reasonable discussion
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Re: know anyone leaving?
Originally Posted by IKnowNothing
(Post 12440119)
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