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Old May 9th 2010 | 3:39 pm
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Originally Posted by littlejimmy
But that doesn't take account of the losses the Tory/UKIP alliance would suffer because of its anti-EU stance. Not all Tories are rabidly anti-EU. If they were, there would be no such party as UKIP!
That doesn't make sense - everyone who votes for UKIP is anti-EU-membership. They also believe it's the single most important issue. If UKIP didn't stand, who would those people (I'm not talking about anyone else) vote for? Probably the next best thing to an anti-EU-membership party - a Tory goverment who had promised them a referendum on membership.

No anti-EU voter should ever vote for Labour or Dim Lib - the Tories would have 350+ seats, I would think.

Mind you, according to the letter from UKIP's leader in today's Torygraph, I may have missed the key point............

SIR – Your report "How Ukip cost Tories a clear majority" (May 8) lets David Cameron off lightly.

Last June, and twice since, he refused Ukip's offer to stand aside and help the Conservatives win the general election, in return for a binding referendum on our EU membership. This guarantee would have been in the open for months, would have been in the Conservative manifesto, and on its own would have given the Conservatives a comfortable majority.

In the event, we did not stand against a few Eurosceptic Conservative candidates in very marginal seats, whom we wanted also to help. Mr Cameron ordered four of them not to be seen in public with me but we helped them anyway in varying degrees, with leaflets and support in their local press. They averaged an increase of 10,000 votes each, with 50 per cent of the turnout and an eight per cent swing in their favour.

Mr Cameron threw the election away because he would not honour his promise to hold a referendum on Lisbon "whatever the outcome of the negotiations". Dare we hope that Mr Cameron has learned his lesson for next time round?

Lord Pearson of Rannoch
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Old May 9th 2010 | 9:40 pm
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That doesn't make sense - everyone who votes for UKIP is anti-EU-membership. They also believe it's the single most important issue. If UKIP didn't stand, who would those people (I'm not talking about anyone else) vote for? Probably the next best thing to an anti-EU-membership party - a Tory goverment who had promised them a referendum on membership.

No anti-EU voter should ever vote for Labour or Dim Lib - the Tories would have 350+ seats, I would think.

Mind you, according to the letter from UKIP's leader in today's Torygraph, I may have missed the key point............

SIR – Your report "How Ukip cost Tories a clear majority" (May 8) lets David Cameron off lightly.

Last June, and twice since, he refused Ukip's offer to stand aside and help the Conservatives win the general election, in return for a binding referendum on our EU membership. This guarantee would have been in the open for months, would have been in the Conservative manifesto, and on its own would have given the Conservatives a comfortable majority.

In the event, we did not stand against a few Eurosceptic Conservative candidates in very marginal seats, whom we wanted also to help. Mr Cameron ordered four of them not to be seen in public with me but we helped them anyway in varying degrees, with leaflets and support in their local press. They averaged an increase of 10,000 votes each, with 50 per cent of the turnout and an eight per cent swing in their favour.

Mr Cameron threw the election away because he would not honour his promise to hold a referendum on Lisbon "whatever the outcome of the negotiations". Dare we hope that Mr Cameron has learned his lesson for next time round?

Lord Pearson of Rannoch
Leader, Ukip
London SW1
It does make sense. I'm not talking about UKIP voters, I'm talking about pro-EU Tories (they do exist) who may be put off by a Tory/UKIP alliance.
 
Old May 9th 2010 | 9:45 pm
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Originally Posted by littlejimmy
It does make sense. I'm not talking about UKIP voters, I'm talking about pro-EU Tories (they do exist) who may be put off by a Tory/UKIP alliance.
It wouldn't be an "alliance" - it would be an agreement that UKIP would NOT stand in the next election. And why would pro-EU Tories be afraid of a referendum on membership? It's the official Tory policy to stay in, not get out.

It's a win-win situation for both Tories and UKIP.
 
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Originally Posted by The Dean
It wouldn't be an "alliance" - it would be an agreement that UKIP would NOT stand in the next election. And why would pro-EU Tories be afraid of a referendum on membership? It's the official Tory policy to stay in, not get out.

It's a win-win situation for both Tories and UKIP.
Right, gotcha. Still, which way would the Tories campaign on the referendum if, as you say, their official policy is to stay in?
 
Old May 10th 2010 | 3:49 pm
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Originally Posted by littlejimmy
Right, gotcha. Still, which way would the Tories campaign on the referendum if, as you say, their official policy is to stay in?
Good question - and I assume that's precisely why Cameron turned down the offer. Bet he regrets it now, referendum or no referendum.
 

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