littlejimmy

Death penalty doesn't work as a deterrent, and miscarriages of justice will always happen when there are humans in charge of the process, so it's a no from me.

It's sad to see people queuing up to show how outraged they are by saying they would do this and that to the guilty men. I'm sure there's a Facebook group for such silliness. But on the other hand, as some have said, if it was my daughter, I'd want to make them suffer and die horribly. However, in a civilised society, justice has to be applied without any emotion and even-handedly.

Meow

Agreed.

I don't doubt that we were all equally horrified by what happened to the poor girl. Wanting to kill someone for the crime (because you care more?!) is somewhat ironic.

britexpat76

Think what most people have said is they would see them dead if it was their family member killed in that horrific way. I am totally against the death penalty unless guilt can be proven beyond all reasonable doubt. Way too many lifers releases after new evidence etc - they would of been dead 50 years ago

Meow

But you cannot have a different rule for your family members. One justice system for all.

I totally understand why someone would want to take direct action if this happened to someone they knew, but the civilised world cannot work like that. On the flip side, I totally fail to understand how anyone could do that to another person. Such cases are both disturbing and depressing.

britexpat76

In room 101 with FGM, Honour Killings and Indian & Chinese female baby murderers

Beaverstate

Jeez, depressed enough already. Need more? Check out the Knoxville horror. DON'T.

Kix

Agreed.

Desert Dubliner

Saudi Arabia, China, Japan.

But you can take this argument further and seek, wit the same. Result, for evidence that life sentence serves as a deterrent. Or 10 years. Or parking fines. Etc.

As I said, any punishment is there to act as a deterrent and we are only discussing severity of punishment.

Tell me Dean, if this was your kid would you rather a trial where the slime lawyer of the defendants was making allegations about her teasing the, etc or would you have a righteous revenge yourself? Like a man.

The Dean

No evidence of deterrent in those three countries - Saudi still routinely executes dozens per year, who clearly were not 'deterred' by the threat of execution. And I am quite sure that Saudi has a significant number of miscarriages of justice.

If it were 'my kid'? I'd want the perpetrators to be seen by the whole world for what they are, and for what they did to be what they will always be known for. You don't get that by beating the crap out of them - and even if I did, do you assume they would still not come to trial afterwards anyway? Pointless.

And............. 'like a man'?? Tell me you're not serious.

kittycat1

I don't think the death penalty is a deterrent, it is a punishment. If you are capable of such heinous crimes I don't think any deterrent would help, the violence of this rape is absolutely appauling. What these 'men' did was dispicable, I cried reading about it, the poor poor girl.

Do I support the death sentence- on one hand no, as miscarriages of justice can happen far too easily, that is the only reason, if they are guilty then yes absolutely they deserve to have their lives ended whether that be the death sentence or being locked away in a hole for the rest of their lives.

scrubbedexpat141

That's ridiculous.

Beating the shit out someone because they've wronged you does not make you a man. Letting women walk ahead, holding doors for other people, not being a violent imbecile (like the criminals in the story) etc make you a man.

Desert Dubliner

No matter how much money George Soros threw at it they did not find a single proven wrongly executed person.

So tell me, are parking tickets a deterrent? Because people still get them. What's the point? What's the point of financial punishments? Nothing works so let everyone walk away.

Desert Dubliner

Why do you think I'd beat the crap out of them? They'd be dead and only after a long session of having 230VAC connected to their balls.

scrubbedexpat141

I don't think you can compare a 30 quid sticker on your car vs life in jail / death penalty.

Each to their own mate, it may be something (god forbid none of us ever have to...) contemplate, but I'd stop myself doing anything stupid.

Bahtatboy

That doesn't make a man. This does.

IF you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:
If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: 'Hold on!'

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
' Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch,
if neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son!