Originally Posted by norsk (Post 11384344)

Yep. There are 'one or two' Indians in the ME, and they are not all bankers. In fact most are definitely not.

Anyway. You are a good laugh so stick around, but please turn down the 'India is great' soundtrack playing in the background.

Originally Posted by Dumbo (Post 11384362)

Yet another thread completely derailed. Aren't the mods supposed to do something about this? (question to self).

Back to topic, is there now a very real threat to the UAE assuming that the recent reports in Libya are true?

It seems like a crazy assed move by the UAE if it is true. I can't imagine that the security forces over here will be able to prevent a hand full of gun men walking into one of our many shopping centers and causing havoc......Cue mass exodus.

Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 11384337)

Difficult to know where to start with so many authoritative opinions given by posters who have never been to India or have met just one or two Indian people, or read the Daily Mail !!!
I've been to India, and can vouch for virtually everything said. Those things I can't vouch for (because I didn't witness them) are entirely believable because they're entirely consistently with what I did witness.

Yes well off Indians bankers etc do go to Middle East to work, I would still say that those you meet in this way are not 'typical'.

India is a very large country 28 states, each as different as a European country, do you condemn entire Europe because you dislike one of its countries. Yes the big cities have slum areas and the villages have not progressed as they should have with sanitation and other facilities.
So you admit that there is poor sanitation in both cities and villages. This despite the billions in foreign aid that has been aimed at this very problem, but has been stolen because of corruption.

Yes, of course I did listen to Mr Modi's speech, Mikewot, much needs to be done. Rape has been in the news because of a dreadful gang rape, and increased reporting of rape since. The new Minister is changing the law to reduce the age of criminal responsibility to 16 years. So you admit its a huge problem.

Abortion the overall number percentage of abortions is less than UK.
For the very poor a daughter with the costs of wedding etc can be crippling, contraception is expensive. How many girls in UK use morning after pill? thought by some as a form of contraceptive. We're not talking about the morning-after pill or (mainly legal) abortions, we're talking about infanticide on a huge scale.

Obviously poverty is the key and the middle classes are growing rapidly
Shiva you can see the difference in dress and possessions all the time and the increased number of Indian tourists to other parts of their country. As you say there is a long way to go. And there's been ample opportunity in the past to get a lot, lot further than where you are. Until state-approved apartheid is abolished you're ****ed.

Women, there are certainly equal opportunities, at one time there was a higher percentage of women doctors and lawyers in India than in UK. Certainly more needs to be done for poorer women to continue to higher education. Equal opportunities, except for those without the opportunity. Yeah, that makes sense.

The political system, why do you call it a joke Shiva??
Do you get NDTV where you are suggest you watch it.

Bribery in the courts, yes it happens in the lower courts not the High Courts or Supreme Court. So that's ok then. And you say it like its ok. That's the root of the problem. I've no idea how you change the mindset of what seems to be an entire nation.

Castism is illegal, of course it still exists to some extent, as does classism everywhere. Indian peoples names indicate their origins of area, class etc.
The new prime Minister started as a 'tea vendor'. Yet it still exists, and there are vast groups of people who have no chance - ever - of social mobility. The world's greatest democracy? You must be ****ing joking.

Scamp bribery investigation of bank chief, yes, British banks?? Christine Lagarde IMF???? it happens. Yes, it happens. And changes are made with the clear intention of preventing it in the future. I hope your new government succeeds, but as I've said above it does appear to be so deep-rooted.

The British, such nonsense Shiva again. British took goods, wealth, jewellery, why else were they there??? The Princes were used against each other an the Brits took their stuff!!!
Famines occurred and were ignored. Personel were used in the world wars.
Certainly there was apartheid then, the 'natives' kept in their place.
Suggest you read about it and speak to older Indian people who remember it.

Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 11384365)

Why a good laugh??? Could you explain. You live in India do you???

Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 11384363)

I think you have quoted 3 people there out of the billion!!! But yes such comments frequently are heard by Gujarati people about Tamils, by Tamils about Gujaratis (Just as examples), it is human nature to criticise other places. France is this Greece is that etc.

Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 11384337)

Difficult to know where to start with so many authoritative opinions given by posters who have never been to India or have met just one or two Indian people, or read the Daily Mail !!! yup, only met a couple myself. Theres not many here to be honest.
Yes well off Indians bankers etc do go to Middle East to work, I would still say that those you meet in this way are not 'typical'.hhm, you've not been to the middle east have you.

India is a very large country 28 states, each as different as a European country, do you condemn entire Europe because you dislike one of its countries. Yes the big cities have slum areas and the villages have not progressed as they should have with sanitation and other facilities.

Yes, of course I did listen to Mr Modi's speech, Mikewot, much needs to be done. Rape has been in the news because of a dreadful gang rape, and increased reporting of rape since. The new Minister is changing the law to reduce the age of criminal responsibility to 16 years.]its in the news because its a ****ing problem[/COLOR]

Abortion the overall number percentage of abortions is less than UK.
For the very poor a daughter with the costs of wedding etc can be crippling, contraception is expensive. How many girls in UK use morning after pill? thought by some as a form of contraceptive.

Obviously poverty is the key and the middle classes are growing rapidly
Shiva you can see the difference in dress and possessions all the time and the increased number of Indian tourists to other parts of their country. As you say there is a long way to go.

Women, there are certainly equal opportunities, at one time there was a higher percentage of women doctors and lawyers in India than in UK. Certainly more needs to be done for poorer women to continue to higher education.

The political system, why do you call it a joke Shiva??
Do you get NDTV where you are suggest you watch it.
largely because its a ****ing joke, a common political party move is to offer cash, tv's and other incentives to voters. That isnt just illegal in most functioning democracies but so bloody ludicrous as to be unthinkable. If I were to start to tear apart the state of politics in India I'd be here for a generation doing so. Having the largest democracy does not equate to having a good democracy

Bribery in the courts, yes it happens in the lower courts not the High Courts or Supreme Court. 99% of bribery in India is nowhere near the courts, precisely because of bribery

Castism is illegal, of course it still exists to some extent just a small extent, o really, as does classism everywhere. Indian peoples names indicate their origins of area, class etc.thats relevant to waht, proving everyone else s points?
The new prime Minister started as a 'tea vendor'.

Scamp bribery investigation of bank chief, yes, British banks?? Christine Lagarde IMF???? it happens.

The British, such nonsense Shiva again. British took goods, wealth, jewellery, why else were they there??? yes because the wealth of the british empire came from the jewels....ok...i see that must have been itThe Princes were used against each other an the Brits took their stuff!!!the princes were fighting each other for a thousand years before the british, dutch or anyone else arrived and i have zero doubt would still be doing so to the detriment of india had we not removed their power.
Famines occurred and were ignored. as they were under the maharajahs and as they were in ireland Personel were used in the world wars.
Certainly there was apartheid then, the 'natives' kept in their place.true but those same natives merely swapped rulers from indian to british and back again and are today now held under the boot of other indians. it doesnt condone it but please dont for a moment suggest india was some kind of nirvana before the british arrived
Suggest you read about it and speak to older Indian people who remember it.

Originally Posted by Bahtatboy (Post 11384382)

There's a whole heap of difference between it being human nature to criticise, and senior, educated and influential people actively promoting racism in an international environment. And that's just amongst their "own" people--I employed a Pakistani with the "assistance" of that HR Manager, and she flinched at every progression.

Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 11384363)

France is this Greece is that etc.

Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 11384417)

Hopefully one last point Pakistan is a different country!!!!

Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 11384417)

Hopefully one last point Pakistan is a different country!!!!

Originally Posted by Scamp (Post 11384431)

I'm not here to just sit and slate India. I just think perhaps a little bit of a reality check is useful.

Originally Posted by Scamp (Post 11384431)

Ahem.

India is one country, it is not Europe. It is not a collective of nations. It might be huge and made up lots of different regions, but it is fundamentally one country. You might be from Mumbai or Delhi but you're Indian...just like I'm British, not European.

Things can vary across big places and big countries but I can't think of any reason why you can argue that India is so generally wonderful when only today it's announced that 40% of people have little access to any financial services BBC Article and that the government are trying to establish a bank account for everyone.

I'm not here to just sit and slate India. The guys who work for me are quality, both from Mumbai but very different. I just think perhaps a little bit of a reality check is useful.

Originally Posted by shiva (Post 11384430)

Where the **** did you come from?

Did that other ****nut call you for some help or to fill in for him while he was back at school?

really? are you are just going to leave that little gem there like its a reasonable statement.

**** me its time for a coffee

Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 11384470)

What little "gem" are you referring to.
Are you saying Pakistan is not a different country? That the two countries have not been at war?
That Indian soldiers have not been killed in last few days.
That there has been no terrorism? (Mumbai bombing to name but one incident).
That British and Germans always praised each other since the wars !!!!:lol:

Perhaps you need to go to school???