Groper -v- Liar
Nov 9th 2016, 4:10 am
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Nov 9th 2016, 4:11 am
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Re: Groper -v- Liar
Hillary Clinton's "donors" are going to be soooo mad. I don't mean Americans. I mean Saudis, Qataris, Emiratis. They'll want refunds.
Nov 9th 2016, 4:30 am
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That's the future mate. Can't see that changing.
I'm sure "Social media politics" had a similar name when the typewriter was invented too.
The issue with Brexit, and Trumpica is that they are both products of overly liberal policies. I have no issue with liberal policies - in fact, I broadly like them. The danger is that when you uncontrollably apply them for too long it's like pulling a brick with an elastic band. Nothing happens for ages, no resistance, then whack, it hits you in the face. We have been pulling the brick for too long.
I'm sure "Social media politics" had a similar name when the typewriter was invented too.
The issue with Brexit, and Trumpica is that they are both products of overly liberal policies. I have no issue with liberal policies - in fact, I broadly like them. The danger is that when you uncontrollably apply them for too long it's like pulling a brick with an elastic band. Nothing happens for ages, no resistance, then whack, it hits you in the face. We have been pulling the brick for too long.
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Nov 9th 2016, 4:35 am
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Re: Groper -v- Liar
A strong economy, take a good look at how the stock markets have reacted !!
Rednecks celebrate and the rest of the world looks on in disbelief, or laughing their collective socks off!
Nov 9th 2016, 4:45 am
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In the same way they reacted to Brexit, then got stronger.
Loving seeing the liberal's tears.
Loving seeing the liberal's tears.
Nov 9th 2016, 4:54 am
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Far from being a liberal I can assure you, but Trump....worlds gone mad......and I cannot see the markets rebounding the same way as they did after Brexit was confirmed...Trump has too many insane ideas....good for wall builders though I suppose!
Nov 9th 2016, 4:59 am
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Nov 9th 2016, 5:04 am
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Re: Groper -v- Liar
I don't believe that the pounds fall in value was a good thing. The rise in the FTSE was not a real rise, it was based on foreign earnings being suddenly being worth more.
Inflation isn't always a bad thing but the FTSE jumping wasn't because the U.K. Is going to be some wonderful success after the vote.
Do you understand?
Nov 9th 2016, 5:11 am
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Of course I don't understand, I'm a thick hick.
What would be ironic would be if I knew what it meant.
What would be ironic would be if I knew what it meant.
Nov 9th 2016, 5:27 am
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Re: Groper -v- Liar
Hmm.
If the USD and market crash following a Trump election then many people will only see it as the irrational overreaction of a small handful of the global elites and banks for it wouldn't reflect the reality on the ground. The same can be said of Brexit as well. The economic fundamentals in the UK right now are quite good regarding unemployment, earnings, wages. Likewise the economic fundamentals in the US are quite good.
The danger is that if the broader public, who have little money invested in the markets and don't take foreign holidays as much (and never if you're American) they will view the market as irrelevant and be much more supportive of new regulations to control the market.
Millhouse's comment is likely right. Too much was sacrificed in the name of globalism and the left leaning parties took up the mantle of globalism as the only way forward into the future, and also associated it with a positive morality. In their perverse way they associated liberalism and all the progressive (quite admirable) values and bundled it with globalism and immigration and diversity so that you couldn't criticise or cast doubt on one aspect of it without being perceived as rejecting the entire orthodoxy. Those who dared speak against it and championed stronger nationalism or protectionism beliefs were labelled as racist, Little Englanders or rednecks.
Truth is, the left leaning parties conveniently ignored that there were losers in globalism, mainly the lower and working classes and even among many middle class voters. Trying to bribe them with greater social welfare programmes or higher minimum wages doesn't do much if the only jobs left for you is flipping burgers at McDonalds.
As my American mate said, what people are really going to remember from the Obama years is transgendered bathroom access.... ouch
If the USD and market crash following a Trump election then many people will only see it as the irrational overreaction of a small handful of the global elites and banks for it wouldn't reflect the reality on the ground. The same can be said of Brexit as well. The economic fundamentals in the UK right now are quite good regarding unemployment, earnings, wages. Likewise the economic fundamentals in the US are quite good.
The danger is that if the broader public, who have little money invested in the markets and don't take foreign holidays as much (and never if you're American) they will view the market as irrelevant and be much more supportive of new regulations to control the market.
Millhouse's comment is likely right. Too much was sacrificed in the name of globalism and the left leaning parties took up the mantle of globalism as the only way forward into the future, and also associated it with a positive morality. In their perverse way they associated liberalism and all the progressive (quite admirable) values and bundled it with globalism and immigration and diversity so that you couldn't criticise or cast doubt on one aspect of it without being perceived as rejecting the entire orthodoxy. Those who dared speak against it and championed stronger nationalism or protectionism beliefs were labelled as racist, Little Englanders or rednecks.
Truth is, the left leaning parties conveniently ignored that there were losers in globalism, mainly the lower and working classes and even among many middle class voters. Trying to bribe them with greater social welfare programmes or higher minimum wages doesn't do much if the only jobs left for you is flipping burgers at McDonalds.
As my American mate said, what people are really going to remember from the Obama years is transgendered bathroom access.... ouch
Nov 9th 2016, 5:31 am
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Re: Groper -v- Liar
The stock market has zero correlation to a strong economy. If anything they are inversely correlated.
Nov 9th 2016, 5:34 am
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Nov 9th 2016, 5:36 am
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Hmm.
If the USD and market crash following a Trump election then many people will only see it as the irrational overreaction of a small handful of the global elites and banks for it wouldn't reflect the reality on the ground. The same can be said of Brexit as well. The economic fundamentals in the UK right now are quite good regarding unemployment, earnings, wages. Likewise the economic fundamentals in the US are quite good.
The danger is that if the broader public, who have little money invested in the markets and don't take foreign holidays as much (and never if you're American) they will view the market as irrelevant and be much more supportive of new regulations to control the market.
Millhouse's comment is likely right. Too much was sacrificed in the name of globalism and the left leaning parties took up the mantle of globalism as the only way forward into the future, and also associated it with a positive morality. In their perverse way they associated liberalism and all the progressive (quite admirable) values and bundled it with globalism and immigration and diversity so that you couldn't criticise or cast doubt on one aspect of it without being perceived as rejecting the entire orthodoxy. Those who dared speak against it and championed stronger nationalism or protectionism beliefs were labelled as racist, Little Englanders or rednecks.
Truth is, the left leaning parties conveniently ignored that there were losers in globalism, mainly the lower and working classes and even among many middle class voters. Trying to bribe them with greater social welfare programmes or higher minimum wages doesn't do much if the only jobs left for you is flipping burgers at McDonalds.
As my American mate said, what people are really going to remember from the Obama years is transgendered bathroom access.... ouch
If the USD and market crash following a Trump election then many people will only see it as the irrational overreaction of a small handful of the global elites and banks for it wouldn't reflect the reality on the ground. The same can be said of Brexit as well. The economic fundamentals in the UK right now are quite good regarding unemployment, earnings, wages. Likewise the economic fundamentals in the US are quite good.
The danger is that if the broader public, who have little money invested in the markets and don't take foreign holidays as much (and never if you're American) they will view the market as irrelevant and be much more supportive of new regulations to control the market.
Millhouse's comment is likely right. Too much was sacrificed in the name of globalism and the left leaning parties took up the mantle of globalism as the only way forward into the future, and also associated it with a positive morality. In their perverse way they associated liberalism and all the progressive (quite admirable) values and bundled it with globalism and immigration and diversity so that you couldn't criticise or cast doubt on one aspect of it without being perceived as rejecting the entire orthodoxy. Those who dared speak against it and championed stronger nationalism or protectionism beliefs were labelled as racist, Little Englanders or rednecks.
Truth is, the left leaning parties conveniently ignored that there were losers in globalism, mainly the lower and working classes and even among many middle class voters. Trying to bribe them with greater social welfare programmes or higher minimum wages doesn't do much if the only jobs left for you is flipping burgers at McDonalds.
As my American mate said, what people are really going to remember from the Obama years is transgendered bathroom access.... ouch