Originally Posted by Desert Dubliner (Post 10513900)

especially you Thorpe, you have no capacity to be convinced.

Originally Posted by Desert Dubliner (Post 10514280)

You're right. We should have a society with 0 individual responsibility for outcomes in life.

Btw, my comment is factual and supported by evidence. Sorry that it does not fit your preconceived notions.

As to why people support stuff, everyone supports something for nothing, everyone will support 'free' stuff. Does not mean this is right and does not mean this can be sustained forever. Societies declined throughout the history because of values adopted by majority. See how far this free stuff will get you. Maybe food should be free at point of consumption and rationed by the government. Food is as important to national health as healthcare. Then exercise. Everyone must exercise in the morning, the government should organise public exercise in each neighborhood. And can give everyone uniforms while we are at it. Ein-zwei-drei.

Originally Posted by Patsy Stoned (Post 10514292)

Miss Thrope to you sweetie.

Originally Posted by Meow (Post 10514283)

Now you're just making stuff up. :zzz::zzz::zzz:

Originally Posted by Meow (Post 10514329)

Godwin's law now applies, so we are done here.

Originally Posted by Scamp (Post 10514303)

NHS is three steps from communism. You heard it here first folks.

Originally Posted by littlejimmy (Post 10514409)

He means National Socialism. Slightly different form of totalitarianism.

Originally Posted by Bob (Post 10513202)

Aye, my missus might have mistaken her weight on the trolley for a day spa visit. How silly of her.

Originally Posted by Desert Dubliner (Post 10514291)

The US should remove the regulation of health insurance from the states level and introduce a sensible basic packages that meet most people's needs. Then they will have competition and reasonable pricing. .

Originally Posted by Desert Dubliner (Post 10514280)

Btw, my comment is factual and supported by evidence. Sorry that it does not fit your preconceived notions.

Originally Posted by kimilseung (Post 10514943)

There are lots of things that need to be done before that should even be considered.
I feel protected from such measures, some states have minimum requirements, one example being the inclusion of mental health provisions. In a complex and expensive purchase like health care it is very difficult for a layman to compare. It would be easy for an employer to claim that they are providing care and for it to be discovered that they provide minimal care, and then you can not get insured because it is now a prior.

I do not want my state to allow the sale of the dodgy insurance that other states peddle as cover. Cheap is often crap.

Buyer beware is a nonsense in an area of high ignorance for the buyer.

Originally Posted by fatbrit (Post 10515117)

It's not fitting any of my notions, or my reality. But then I'm only a dual UK/US citizen who's lived in the USA for the past dozen or so years. IMO, you're talking out of your backside.

Originally Posted by Miss Anne Thrope (Post 10514311)

Thank you darling! :D (I guess even now he still doesn't realise....)

Originally Posted by Desert Dubliner (Post 10515888)

See guys, people are happy that healthcare is reassuringly expensive! What the hell you're on about.

Not only that, but Joe Soaps can't be trusted with complex purchases so best if the state looks after the flock. I would offer that buying a house is also a complex purchase simple folks can't be trusted with so best if the state handles this affair for them too. Taking into account that we are suffering from overuse of energy resulting in global warming, instant savings can be achieved in this respect if the flock is housed by the state in some facilities which have common cooking areas, bathrooms and bedrooms. Treblinka could serve as a template.