shiva

thats if you can fight your way through the thick green fetid slop that will develop in such a huge stagnant body of water

scrubbedexpat141

To be fair, Business Bay water is sealed off and doesn't seem to smell, or look that disgusting. Not sure how, maybe just by sheer size?

jam25mack

July

That's kind of the whole idea of the project to allow a regular circulation of the water along the full length of the creek to promote oxygenation and swill out all the contamination from the current bitter end around Jaddaf. It will all have been modelled up so in theory it should work - we are pretty good at this stuff. Saying that the folk who did the palm (not us) seriously f**ked that up, hence why there is now a gaps and bridges in the outermost frond which isn't as per the original design.

shiva

my understanding was the palm and world are both royally ****ed re circulation even with the minor changes. how do they intend to generate a current for this one?

jam25mack

Palm is better than it was, although I did hear about some of the beaches at the inside end of the fronds scumming up a bit.

As for this project, I don't know, I'm not a maritime engineer and I haven't see the tide / current modelling and I'm not sure who (Consultant wise) undertook the work. It is quite a complex subject though and will mostly be modeled by specialist computer programs. As always though a program is only as good as the data and parameters that are fed in.

scrubbedexpat141

So this will make Bur Dubai, Business Bay, Downtown, Jumeirah(?), Safa etc all basically one big island?

jam25mack

Pretty much.

Bongoman2

And amazingly it will still spit out the exact result that the big boss needs to see. Habibi, you must just build it like we say, yanni

jam25mack

Depends who's doing it I suppose.

That is not the way we roll in my company.

Bongoman2

Its all about how you read (or ignore) the answers to the questions you ask.

For example the justification for extending the creek all the way through Safa park is to decrease the ambient temperature of business bay?!?

And I'm sure the 'experts' who advised them of the previous (now sadly obsolete) idea to suspend the whole canal also interpreted their results to suit their clients demands which was to make water run uphill and the canal would, "rise above the level of the Dubai Metro and Al Safa Park"

jam25mack

No really due to the fact that if you are designing to international standards then what you get out is what you get out. Also, the initial survey would also have been undertaken to international standards so what is entered in would also be pretty much set. How this is then interpreted / addressed by the Client I agree is a different matter. And thats pretty much the difference between a decent Consultant / Designer and a shite one.

As for the ambient temps, that's not the reason, it was to try and promote a regular flushing of the creek to lower the contamination level due to its poor circulation and the presence of Al Jaddaf. Don't believe everything that's printed in a two bit publication like the National. Ambient temperatures won't be changed significantly if it's flushed or not.

As for the raised canal option..... I'm not sure who came up with that one. The creek extension has been whored out to most consultants over the years, in a similar way to the widening of the 311 through National Paints. However, if you have enough money you can make anything happen pretty much.

Bongoman2

On your first point, read some of the history of the Palm.
Its conception (by Warren Pickering), the consultants who advised not to go ahead and Nakheel who publicly stated that this area of the sea was "barren of all sea-life". Designer, Client & Site Survey all found wanting.
And now complete denial that the whole place is slowly sinking after only a few years.

Agreed. But at the end of the day something has to give in the Tripartite of Time, Quality or Cost. I believe Dubai has only addressed two of these.

jam25mack

Yeah, I know all about the palm. We, along with several of the other 'decent' consultants looked at the concept and did a big swerve as we knew it had the potential to end in tears.

Lets not even mention Yas Island.....

mikewot

Well they are cracking on with it:
Construction on the Dhs2bn Dubai Canal project has moved a step closer with a joint venture between Parsons and Halcrow awarded the contract to complete the work.
The new scope of work includes elevating three major roads in Dubai, relocating utilities, and constructing a 2.8‑km‑long Dubai Water Canal. The project is split into three construction contracts, and Parsons is responsible for construction supervision for the first two packages related to the roads and bridges, while Halcrow will be responsible for the third package for canal excavation and marine works. The first phase of the project includes elevating Sheikh Zayed Road (six lanes in each direction) and relocating utilities using micro tunneling to facilitate the canal construction

http://7daysindubai.com/contract-awa...canal-project/

Blue Cat

will it get finished though?