Can't Stay If You're Gay, B&B Tells Couple
Mar 30th 2010, 7:28 am
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Re: Can't Stay If You're Gay, B&B Tells Couple
As it happens I can refuse admission and I can use any excuse I want. All you can do is take me to court in a civil case to get compensation. You can't force me to let you a room in my house, even if I have received payment.
I can refund you and you can sue me if you want more money - let the judge decide.
I own 2 rental villas in Mauritius and the terms and conditions were made by a solicitor and legal.
check out my website : www.hibiscusholidays.com/rates.html
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The Hibiscus Group reserves the right to refuse, alter or cancel a booking, even after receipt of the final balance payment in circumstances that arise which are beyond their control. In such an instance, alternative arrangements will be made in similar accommodation, or the client will receive a full refund of all monies paid. No refund or liability will apply to a situation where a client is requested to vacate due to misbehaviour or leaves of their own accord prior to the expiration of their booking.
I can refund you and you can sue me if you want more money - let the judge decide.
I own 2 rental villas in Mauritius and the terms and conditions were made by a solicitor and legal.
check out my website : www.hibiscusholidays.com/rates.html
Right to Decline
The Hibiscus Group reserves the right to refuse, alter or cancel a booking, even after receipt of the final balance payment in circumstances that arise which are beyond their control. In such an instance, alternative arrangements will be made in similar accommodation, or the client will receive a full refund of all monies paid. No refund or liability will apply to a situation where a client is requested to vacate due to misbehaviour or leaves of their own accord prior to the expiration of their booking.
Mar 30th 2010, 7:53 am
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Re: Can't Stay If You're Gay, B&B Tells Couple
Actually the UK licensing laws are quite specific about this. As a Landlady I could refuse to serve anybody without giving a reason..the only rights you have as a customer in a licensed premises are those appertaining to weights and measures/substitution/ customs/health and safety etc.
You walk into my pub and I don't like the look of you I could refuse to serve you and didn't have to give a reason.
I don't think they have changed too much over the years.
You walk into my pub and I don't like the look of you I could refuse to serve you and didn't have to give a reason.
I don't think they have changed too much over the years.
A civil case would only require them to prove on the Balance of Probablities.
you may not have to give a reason there and then but if a civil or criminal case was brought as a result then you would have to give a valid reason.
Mar 30th 2010, 8:34 am
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Re: Can't Stay If You're Gay, B&B Tells Couple
Yes legislation is quite clear and the moral situation was not handled correctly either.
The B&B owners were discriminatory when they refused admission saying it was against their (opinion) christian principles to admit the gay couple.
Morally the B&B owners did not act in a christian-like manner. They were self righteous and judgemental. "Do not judge others lest you be judged". Matthew 7:1-5
If they were acting according to their christian (Christ like) principles they should have asked themselves -What would Jesus have said and done?.
Jesus never judged anyone fullstop. He mixed with all sorts of people regarded as sinners by the religious leaders in those days who criticised him for it. Jesus said "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners." Matthew 2:17
What I would have done and the B&B owners should have done was to act in a decent manner without breaking the law and without hurting the gay couple's feelings. They could have used any old excuse for non admission - heating broken down, flooded room, plumbing problem, fire, illness, circumstances are beyond our control so here is your refund and here is the nearest B&B (gay friendly) and the taxi fare to get there.
The B&B owners were discriminatory when they refused admission saying it was against their (opinion) christian principles to admit the gay couple.
Morally the B&B owners did not act in a christian-like manner. They were self righteous and judgemental. "Do not judge others lest you be judged". Matthew 7:1-5
If they were acting according to their christian (Christ like) principles they should have asked themselves -What would Jesus have said and done?.
Jesus never judged anyone fullstop. He mixed with all sorts of people regarded as sinners by the religious leaders in those days who criticised him for it. Jesus said "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners." Matthew 2:17
What I would have done and the B&B owners should have done was to act in a decent manner without breaking the law and without hurting the gay couple's feelings. They could have used any old excuse for non admission - heating broken down, flooded room, plumbing problem, fire, illness, circumstances are beyond our control so here is your refund and here is the nearest B&B (gay friendly) and the taxi fare to get there.
Mar 30th 2010, 8:39 am
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Re: Can't Stay If You're Gay, B&B Tells Couple
Yes legislation is quite clear and the moral situation was not handled correctly either.
The B&B owners were discriminatory when they refused admission saying it was against their (opinion) christian principles to admit the gay couple.
Morally the B&B owners did not act in a christian-like manner. They were self righteous and judgemental. "Do not judge others lest you be judged". Matthew 7:1-5
If they were acting according to their christian (Christ like) principles they should have asked themselves -What would Jesus have said and done?.
Jesus never judged anyone fullstop. He mixed with all sorts of people regarded as sinners by the religious leaders in those days who criticised him for it. Jesus said "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners." Matthew 2:17
What I would have done and the B&B owners should have done was to act in a decent manner without breaking the law and without hurting the gay couple's feelings. They could have used any old excuse for non admission - heating broken down, flooded room, plumbing problem, fire, illness, circumstances are beyond our control so here is your refund and here is the nearest B&B (gay friendly) and the taxi fare to get there.
The B&B owners were discriminatory when they refused admission saying it was against their (opinion) christian principles to admit the gay couple.
Morally the B&B owners did not act in a christian-like manner. They were self righteous and judgemental. "Do not judge others lest you be judged". Matthew 7:1-5
If they were acting according to their christian (Christ like) principles they should have asked themselves -What would Jesus have said and done?.
Jesus never judged anyone fullstop. He mixed with all sorts of people regarded as sinners by the religious leaders in those days who criticised him for it. Jesus said "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners." Matthew 2:17
What I would have done and the B&B owners should have done was to act in a decent manner without breaking the law and without hurting the gay couple's feelings. They could have used any old excuse for non admission - heating broken down, flooded room, plumbing problem, fire, illness, circumstances are beyond our control so here is your refund and here is the nearest B&B (gay friendly) and the taxi fare to get there.
Mar 30th 2010, 9:21 am
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Re: Can't Stay If You're Gay, B&B Tells Couple
but if they can prove beyond reasonable doubt that you did so for racial/religious etc reasons you would be found guilty in a criminal prosecution.
A civil case would only require them to prove on the Balance of Probablities.
you may not have to give a reason there and then but if a civil or criminal case was brought as a result then you would have to give a valid reason.
A civil case would only require them to prove on the Balance of Probablities.
you may not have to give a reason there and then but if a civil or criminal case was brought as a result then you would have to give a valid reason.
A landlady, like any shopkeeper, is under no compulsion to do business with anybody if they don't want to.
Mar 30th 2010, 10:36 am
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Re: Can't Stay If You're Gay, B&B Tells Couple
Both are made up fictional characters whose views should play no role in the real world.
Mar 30th 2010, 11:35 am
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Re: Can't Stay If You're Gay, B&B Tells Couple
Mar 30th 2010, 6:27 pm
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Re: Can't Stay If You're Gay, B&B Tells Couple
I'm just wondering if they ask every single man who stays if hes gay or if every couple that stays is married (and to each other), is any of their guests have ever commited any crime, if they do I am sure they would be empty.
So called Christians my arse - homophobic bigots I say. I hope when they make it up to the pearly gates they are shown the same courtesy. People say they are Christians and then as soon as they are required to show their true faith, they turn out to be everything but Christian.
I really don't understand the disgust people show to gay men, when men complain its because of the whole anal sex thing but then they all seem to want to stick their willies in womens butts so whats the difference?
This winds me up so much! grrr!
So called Christians my arse - homophobic bigots I say. I hope when they make it up to the pearly gates they are shown the same courtesy. People say they are Christians and then as soon as they are required to show their true faith, they turn out to be everything but Christian.
I really don't understand the disgust people show to gay men, when men complain its because of the whole anal sex thing but then they all seem to want to stick their willies in womens butts so whats the difference?
This winds me up so much! grrr!
Mar 30th 2010, 6:56 pm
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Re: Can't Stay If You're Gay, B&B Tells Couple
I'm just wondering if they ask every single man who stays if hes gay or if every couple that stays is married (and to each other), is any of their guests have ever commited any crime, if they do I am sure they would be empty.
So called Christians my arse - homophobic bigots I say. I hope when they make it up to the pearly gates they are shown the same courtesy. People say they are Christians and then as soon as they are required to show their true faith, they turn out to be everything but Christian.
I really don't understand the disgust people show to gay men, when men complain its because of the whole anal sex thing but then they all seem to want to stick their willies in womens butts so whats the difference?
This winds me up so much! grrr!
So called Christians my arse - homophobic bigots I say. I hope when they make it up to the pearly gates they are shown the same courtesy. People say they are Christians and then as soon as they are required to show their true faith, they turn out to be everything but Christian.
I really don't understand the disgust people show to gay men, when men complain its because of the whole anal sex thing but then they all seem to want to stick their willies in womens butts so whats the difference?
This winds me up so much! grrr!
And can we all stop using the word 'phobia' (as in 'homophobia')? A phobia is a fear - I don't fear them, but I do............. oh, never mind...............
And putting my willy in a woman's butt? Er, no thanks............
Mar 30th 2010, 7:00 pm
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Re: Can't Stay If You're Gay, B&B Tells Couple
Ok not ALL men...
Mar 30th 2010, 7:08 pm
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Re: Can't Stay If You're Gay, B&B Tells Couple
I could be wrong, but is it not an invitation to treat? ie The customer is making the offer to buy (alcohol), it is up to the proprietor to decide if they want to do business or not.
A landlady, like any shopkeeper, is under no compulsion to do business with anybody if they don't want to.
A landlady, like any shopkeeper, is under no compulsion to do business with anybody if they don't want to.
holder ( that means the person who's name is above the door as in ( Mrs Patsystoned is licensed to sell.........) or a bartender given authority by the licensee does not need to provide a reason for refusing to serve somebody..the person may, ofcourse, try to sue them, but they would have a very difficult job trying to prove that it was discriminatory.
" she refused to serve me because I am black"...err ...no there are other black people in the bar....Oh ..she refused to serve me because I am gay....errr... no there are other gays in the bar............ I refused to serve you because.............I CAN!!
http://www.morningadvertiser.co.uk/n...84871?N=598254
oh and if you are interested here is the list of people it is illegal to serve drinks to..this is usually a question the magistrates ask you when you apply for your license
1) A Policeman in uniform.
2)Anyone under the age of 18.
3)Anyone you know to be under th influence of drugs or alcohol.
4)A known prostitute.
Mar 30th 2010, 7:11 pm
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Re: Can't Stay If You're Gay, B&B Tells Couple
so if your drunk its illegal to be served another drink?