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Millhouse Oct 27th 2013 9:12 pm

Re: The Burka
 

Originally Posted by Bahtatboy (Post 10964766)
Around 5,000 "Brits" convert each year, out of a population of some 65m. (Bear in my that many of those "Brits" are immigrants.) So what's going to change, Redshark? How is it "likely" that Islam will win over Brits' hearts and minds when the current rate of conversion is so low?

Why would an immigrant convert? Wouldn't they (mostly) already be Muslim? I don't see the poles converting to Islam.

Hence these converts really are the Tang-Weedol mixers like BritExpat.

Anyway, the issue is probably more about it's affect on policy -- so sharky may have a point.

flares Oct 27th 2013 9:32 pm

Re: The Burka
 

Originally Posted by Millhouse (Post 10964807)
the Tang-Weedol mixers like BritExpat.

I don't get it...

Millhouse Oct 27th 2013 9:40 pm

Re: The Burka
 

Originally Posted by saudiflares (Post 10964827)
I don't get it...

white converts are generally the trouble makers.

flares Oct 27th 2013 9:48 pm

Re: The Burka
 
OK.

Tang & Weedol are the constituents of a good mix. Guess that's why you can get tubs of the stuff (Tang) in duty free

jam25mack Oct 27th 2013 10:00 pm

Re: The Burka
 
British prisons are the main conversion bases. There you have a endless supply of uneducated, scared, impressionable and vulnerable folk.

Percentages compared with those in the outside world are staggering!

That tells you a lot!

Bahtatboy Oct 27th 2013 10:00 pm

Re: The Burka
 

Originally Posted by Millhouse (Post 10964807)
Why would an immigrant convert? Wouldn't they (mostly) already be Muslim? I don't see the poles converting to Islam.

Hence these converts really are the Tang-Weedol mixers like BritExpat.

Anyway, the issue is probably more about it's affect on policy -- so sharky may have a point.

Dunno, but according to a report by the University of Wales its so. Regardless, if the figure is on 5,000 the direct impact is negligible (in terms of percentage of the entire population, but I do see the danger in many of the converts being prisoners). I don't get your point about the effect on policy.

Millhouse Oct 27th 2013 10:14 pm

Re: The Burka
 

Originally Posted by Bahtatboy (Post 10964857)
Dunno, but according to a report by the University of Wales its so. Regardless, if the figure is on 5,000 the direct impact is negligible (in terms of percentage of the entire population, but I do see the danger in many of the converts being prisoners). I don't get your point about the effect on policy.

Regardless of the numbers, we have had a series of weak and largely ineffective governments that will happily change policy to please the minorities in the name of protection and inclusiveness - This is the larger concern, really.

Millhouse Oct 27th 2013 10:16 pm

Re: The Burka
 

Originally Posted by saudiflares (Post 10964846)
OK.

Tang & Weedol are the constituents of a good mix. Guess that's why you can get tubs of the stuff (Tang) in duty free

Apparently so. Maybe not the weedol, but Tang has been a key ingredient in some attempts.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/2008/05...weapon-choice/

Bahtatboy Oct 27th 2013 10:45 pm

Re: The Burka
 

Originally Posted by Millhouse (Post 10964868)
Regardless of the numbers, we have had a series of weak and largely ineffective governments that will happily change policy to please the minorities in the name of protection and inclusiveness - This is the larger concern, really.

Agreed. (Although its not the number of converts that results in the policy, is just a vocal minority per se whether converts or brainwashed from birth, which is what I think you're saying.)

scrubbedexpat141 Oct 28th 2013 1:53 am

Re: The Burka
 

Originally Posted by Scamp (Post 10963744)
What are the problems with modern day Islam?

(Note: This is a genuine question)

Sharky: Come on, I asked a nice question buddy.

Meow Oct 28th 2013 2:26 am

Re: The Burka
 

Originally Posted by Norm_uk (Post 10965175)
And many Muslims also leave Islam when they go to Britain - or at least go to a very liberal reformist version which is as wishy washy as Anglicanism :)

Council of Ex-Muslims comes to mind...unsurprisingly they have faced death threats from with the UK - by immigrants and converts who have enriched us culturally no doubt :sneaky:

I personally know four Muslims in the UAE including an Emirati who have completely rejected the faith they were raised in. In the UK I know about the same who were from Muslim backgrounds. I also know one who converted then left after five years or so. Anecdotal I know but I wonder what the real numbers are like.

N.

I never cease to find it astonishing that people can get death threats simply for what they believe, or don't in this case. It rather makes one wonder what the believers are so afraid of.

Bahtatboy Oct 28th 2013 2:53 am

Re: The Burka
 

Originally Posted by Meow (Post 10965230)
I never cease to find it astonishing that people can get death threats simply for what they believe, or don't in this case. It rather makes one wonder what the believers are so afraid of.

I think its bleeding obvious.

redShark Oct 28th 2013 8:14 am

Re: The Burka
 

Originally Posted by Boomhauer (Post 10964239)
"Win over" ??? You mean threaten / intimidate / give life or death ultimatum / enact laws that make it hard for conquered non Muslims to remain non Muslim.

Listen I know some people converted willingly , but countless millions in regions stretching from North Africa to the Near East to South Asia were forced into it. Islam went with the sword in 1 hand and the Quran in the other.

Your comment is as ridiculous as saying that Native South Americans willingly accepted Catholicism from Iberian conquistadors.

You are a good example of why I strongly believe that all the GCC countries should adopt the same policy as that of the home office in the UK. The home office has introduced a law that before granting anyone visa to stay he/she must sit in for an English language exam, as well as a culture test, and no one is given visa without passing those tests. I strongly support this move because I have seen ethnic women who have lived 30 odd years in England yet they still couldn’t speak English. I therefore believe that any one offered a job in the GCC he/she must first pass a basic Arabic language test and most importantly an Islamic knowledge test, and no job should be offered to anyone regardless of his/her caliber who fails those tests. If I understand from you, you have lived in the GCC for many years, yet I can see your knowledge of Islam is nothing more than the stuff one reads in a British Tabloid. It’s really a shame that you didn’t pick up anything more.
Going back to your question, I have already answered that question before, but in brief, if what you are claiming is true then how come you find so many different religions existing in the Muslim world? How come the only Christians sect that speaks the Aramaic language of Jesus Christ is found only in the Muslim world? How come 10% of Egypt are Christians? Compare those results with how many Muslims remained in Spain after the inquisition. Having lived and ruled Spain for 700 years The number of Muslims who were left in Spain after the inquisition was zero, Null, cero, noll, nihilo, paria zero.
I hope you got the idea.

Talking of Egypt, worth mentioning that two prime ministers in Egypt in the past were actually Christians. I am waiting to see some Muslim prime minister in the British Parliament. I think I am dreaming a bit, let’s see first of all if someone with Welsh, Scottish, or Irish accent can make it to the prime minister’s seat. Neil Kinnock, bless him, had thought he could do just that. He thought that even with his Welsh valleys accent he could still make it to that position. He just made fool of himself

redShark Oct 28th 2013 8:16 am

Re: The Burka
 

Originally Posted by Scamp (Post 10965178)
Sharky: Come on, I asked a nice question buddy.

That is a general question scamp. There are so many different problems facing the Muslim world, social, financial, and off course political problems, just like any other nations. The major problem, however, is the political problem which are directly related to the Middle East political problems. And the major Middle East political problem is the Palestinians problem, and the main cause of the palestinans problem is the city of Jerusalem. This city has been the heart of so many problems throughout the history since the time it was first built.

But what is more relevant to you, and also to answer the video Dean put up is the problem facing Islam in Europe. I can tell you that Islam in Europe faces two serious enemies, the Muslim radicals, and the media. Those two have shown to be good bed partners. The media loves them because their news generate good revenue, and they love the media because they get publicity for free. The only victim in this union is the message from the creator, Islam

redShark Oct 28th 2013 8:18 am

Re: The Burka
 

Originally Posted by britexpat76 (Post 10963124)
Go to Newcastle fishy where women wear basically F all on a friday night and go out, drink and arrive home safely as the men know how to behave and respect a female. A society that has to repress women because you cannot trust the men is 200 years behind a civilised country just behind India

I know the scenery you are talking about mate. When I was living in Northampton there was a big pub in town and a few streets behind it there was a street notorious for street hookers. Many who go to that pub had to pass along that street. I can bet you one million dollars if you go there on a Saturday night that you can tell who is what by the costume the ladies are wearing


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