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Old Jun 22nd 2011, 4:31 pm
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Originally Posted by Elmer Fudd View Post
Not a bad argument on the benefits to NHS, but factor in harm - all the negative externalities - cost of drunks clogging up hospitals in front of genuine cases & abusing staff on Friday & Saturday nights, long run liver transplants free of charge, the costs to me slipping on puddles of liquid laughs, me paying more tax towards plod to police the streets, me changing route to avoid punch ups, plus costs of cleaning up litter from smokers & the private costs of having to wash all clothes & shower after a night in a smoke filled pub, the benefits might not be as great as you believe? I am all for freedom of choice and expression, but so long as the costs of these activities do not affect others i.e. my wallet
Read my post again.

I said "as long as it causes no harm to others"...getting pissed up and bothering hospital staff, wasting people's time, beating your kids, and messing up the place is harm to others and should be dealt with.

Same goes for smoking around people who don't want to breath the smoke, or take drugs or anything.

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I agree with this 100% .

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Read my post again.

I said "as long as it causes no harm to others"...getting pissed up and bothering hospital staff, wasting people's time, beating your kids, and messing up the place is harm to others and should be dealt with.

Same goes for smoking around people who don't want to breath the smoke, or take drugs or anything.

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I agree 100% with your sentiment, but sadly, lots of others do go over the top and in no way think it is their responsibility to consider the effects of their behaviour on others, this is one (minor) reason for me deciding to move out of the UK for a while - try reasoning with such people and it can get very nasty - even fatal . That is why governments try to intervene by educating us on the disadvantages of booze & fags and restricting consumption by taxation etc.

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but the issue is that they face possible murder charges the way the law stands...that's why on this programme, even in this swiss clinic, it's the person who has to administer the poison themselves, not even the doctor can do it for fear of a law case...

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I know where you're coming from...but its not administering a 'poison' but a case of increasing the volume of the pain relief medication that has been agreed on...with fatal consequences. Hard to prove in a law court, as they are relieving pain and suffering.

PS Went to Aussie Legends quiz night two weeks ago - you & MH weren't there...only 4 teams playing..seems to have died (pardon the unintended pun)?

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Old Jun 22nd 2011, 9:21 pm
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Re the DNR (Do not resuscitate) notice - Mother in Law was admitted to hospital in very late 1999 - aged 86yrs old. Was definitely very compos mentis and insisted upon this note being added to her hospital record. A hospital psychiatrist talked to her before agreeing to this - but all of her children were aware that this was what she would have wished although none were aware that she had had this put on her hospital records until after her death just three days after being admitted to hospital.
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Old Jun 22nd 2011, 9:48 pm
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Originally Posted by Elmer Fudd View Post
I agree 100% with your sentiment, but sadly, lots of others do go over the top and in no way think it is their responsibility to consider the effects of their behaviour on others, this is one (minor) reason for me deciding to move out of the UK for a while - try reasoning with such people and it can get very nasty - even fatal . That is why governments try to intervene by educating us on the disadvantages of booze & fags and restricting consumption by taxation etc.
It's really very simple. Such people should and must be punished very harshly and the majority of drinkers who know when to stop should be left in peace by Big Brother Britain...happily paying their extra taxes to fund the NHS and police services.

The problem really is one of community. If people are raised knowing drinking and bad behaviour are completely unacceptable and bring shame on the family/community etc we'll see a big drop in stupid drunks.

But then in Britain we've spent the last 50 years trying to dismantle community, culture and family and seen a comparative rise in crime, drink related crime and youth problems...so 'nuff said really

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The biggest problem the UK has, is for too long, there has been a Nanny-state happily saying to people " No, it can't be your fault, there must be some underlying reason for your actions, but surely you cannot be responsible!" The joys of the blame culture and a lack of acceptance for the principals of being responsible for your own actions. What a crock of sh*t!
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The biggest problem the UK has, is for too long, there has been a Nanny-state happily saying to people " No, it can't be your fault, there must be some underlying reason for your actions, but surely you cannot be responsible!" The joys of the blame culture and a lack of acceptance for the principals of being responsible for your own actions. What a crock of sh*t!
Agreed. This is the fruit of a nanny state backed up by decades of an odd form of socialism balanced by an odd form of capitalism.

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MM I watched the Terry Pratchett thing last night. Very well done in my opinion and very moving. The Newsnight discussion after brought up various worries about legalising it, however I still think it should be legalised even if it is just for terminally ill patients first.
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MM I watched the Terry Pratchett thing last night. Very well done in my opinion and very moving. The Newsnight discussion after brought up various worries about legalising it, however I still think it should be legalised even if it is just for terminally ill patients first.
yes, it was very well balanced, wasn't it...very thought provoking...

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yes, it was very well balanced, wasn't it...very thought provoking...

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very, I didn't realise you would actually see someone die, how dignified was he about it all
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