Meow

Gosh - how rough!

This is the Middle East - just get a grip and deal with it without whinging. You aren't suffering and observing a few rules is no hardship. Surely, by this point in your life, you realise that you cannot have everything you want and the rules won't change for you?

The rest of us just get with things. In fact many of us work for a living, rather then lying by a pool all day.



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W10

It was this bit I think

housewife

Well aa, I am not traumatised, so don't worry about me.
It is irrelevant to bring up the guys in your place and there work/life.
They are used to the heat,but feel free to tell them about me if you feel like.
Tell them then also that they are lucky that they work here and not in S.E. Asia, there they earn less then half what they earn here.

Meow

Are you for real?

It's those sort of comments that give expats a bad name. Sensitive and considerate soul aren't you?

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Charismatic

I was thinking just the same thing as her TBH (though I'd have been more subtle about the way I said it) .

Seriously they chose to go and work, it's not like you step off the plane and go "No one told me it was hot, I thought you sait it was going to be like Norway. I brought my knitted jumper and all!".

arbroath_abroad

actually they are romanians, south africans and a few Russians.......

retort??

housewife

Weird Romanians then, in Europe they can make much more money for less hours.
Anyway, shall we go back to the subject "Alcohol during ramadan" or do you want to go on?

W10

The choice is:

1, Starve and watch my family live in utter poverty
2, Leave my family behind for years at a time and work in the heat to provide them with a regular income and stability

Yep, they should think themselves lucky...

arbroath_abroad

actually some of them cant, thats why they are here. Dont believe everything you hear at your hotel poolside

Charismatic

We forget how lucky we are as people to have these oppertunities, compared to starving though working in 50 degree heat sounds like the option to go for. It was still a choice though, subsistence farming isn't outsourcing yet so they do make choices. I'm sure they could have moved to a city and driven a taxi/rickshaw/whatever to make ends meet instead even if they could not farm, what I'm really getting at is that they have choices.

I'd be a hypocrite if I said "Don't use Indian/Paki/Whatever workers", not to mention cruel and immoral to deny them some of the limited options they have in life. Sorry, but I view this as a mutually beneficial agreement when it comes to low wage workers.

TGFKASE

Maybe the accept the massive paycut from what they can get at home, just so they can top up their tan and have some Asian waiting staff bring them their 'sundowner' by the pool after their 12 hour day.....

W10

So essentially you agree with me then.

It is a choice technically, it isn't a choice in reality. I hope you've spent some time in India/Pakistan and seen these situations first hand.

There is no work..nothing...millions move to the cities for 'hope' and end up even worse off, begging, living on the streets. They don't really have choices.

I would class it as beneficial to one side and survival to the other.

I have nothing but enormous respect for these workers, they are doing what it takes. Sacrificing everything to make a better life for their family. And then arrogant Westerners come along (not having a go at you, talking generally) with superiority complexes...

Charismatic

All the information I have on India comes from friends who are from there, so it's second hand.
Better to survive at a subsistance level than starve though...IMO.

Still most Indians do have choices even if limited as to what they can do.
Different, not better or worse.

W10

You're trying to define 'choice' using a literal/technical way. Using your logic, almost everybody has a choice over everything because ultimately all human beings have freedom of thought.

There is a difference between having a choice, and having a choice.

MrsHaps

My god, the way people actually think..... Phenomenal!

Dont be disrespectful, these poorly paid workers are here like most of us, make money and go home!

They arent a piece of shit on anyone's shoe, they are human and it p!sses me right off to see people treat and speak to them like sh!t. Granted some of them are lazy and completely annoying... but still human!

Housewifey, nowt like a bit of tanning but with regards to Ramadan, you get to live in this country and you are welcomed and life is easy because you are a muslim, westerner or married to one. Its one month out of the year that maybe you should participate in the culture? Afterall it is a fricken muslim country?