Is the situation in the UK really that bad?
Nov 6th 2013 | 9:30 am
#1337
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From: The Charente - still smiling.
Re: Is the situation in the UK really that bad?
Okay, you are always so good at criticising everything.
Put the other side then?
We should all pay four or five time what we earn to help an international arms manufacturer employ people because.....
I leave the rest to you.
Put the other side then?
We should all pay four or five time what we earn to help an international arms manufacturer employ people because.....
I leave the rest to you.
Nov 6th 2013 | 10:58 am
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From: The sunshine state
Re: Is the situation in the UK really that bad?
BAE receive just over 4 billion a year in public subsidy.
They employ just under 40,000 people in the UK in total.
Each job costs the taxpayer in the region of ....
One hundred thousand pounds. Every year.
WE are paying BAE nearly two hundred million pounds every year to employ these 1800 people.
They are (nominally at least) in the private sector...where the average wage is 23,000 pounds
(Median wage - 18,000 pounds. )
The one thousand new jobs created every day receive NO public subsidy.
I doubt very much that the shipyard employees of BAE receive very much more than the average wage.
The numbers are so absolutely insane that the question really is - why don't we just give them all say 30,000 a year, they can play golf or whatever and we keep 3 billion a year?
Let's all write to BAE and suggest it. Or perhaps they might like to give us our money back
These numbers are so absolutely barking mad that I have difficulty in believing them. Somebody please tell me my calculator is wrong. Or me.
They employ just under 40,000 people in the UK in total.
Each job costs the taxpayer in the region of ....
One hundred thousand pounds. Every year.
WE are paying BAE nearly two hundred million pounds every year to employ these 1800 people.
They are (nominally at least) in the private sector...where the average wage is 23,000 pounds
(Median wage - 18,000 pounds. )
The one thousand new jobs created every day receive NO public subsidy.
I doubt very much that the shipyard employees of BAE receive very much more than the average wage.
The numbers are so absolutely insane that the question really is - why don't we just give them all say 30,000 a year, they can play golf or whatever and we keep 3 billion a year?
Let's all write to BAE and suggest it. Or perhaps they might like to give us our money back
These numbers are so absolutely barking mad that I have difficulty in believing them. Somebody please tell me my calculator is wrong. Or me.
Not on topic, but there's a great documentary called, 'Why we fight'. It's available on youtube in full.
Nov 6th 2013 | 5:34 pm
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From: The REAL Utopia.
Re: Is the situation in the UK really that bad?
BAE receive just over 4 billion a year in public subsidy.
They employ just under 40,000 people in the UK in total.
Each job costs the taxpayer in the region of ....
One hundred thousand pounds. Every year.
WE are paying BAE nearly two hundred million pounds every year to employ these 1800 people.
They are (nominally at least) in the private sector...where the average wage is 23,000 pounds
(Median wage - 18,000 pounds. )
The one thousand new jobs created every day receive NO public subsidy.
I doubt very much that the shipyard employees of BAE receive very much more than the average wage.
The numbers are so absolutely insane that the question really is - why don't we just give them all say 30,000 a year, they can play golf or whatever and we keep 3 billion a year?
Let's all write to BAE and suggest it. Or perhaps they might like to give us our money back
These numbers are so absolutely barking mad that I have difficulty in believing them. Somebody please tell me my calculator is wrong. Or me.
They employ just under 40,000 people in the UK in total.
Each job costs the taxpayer in the region of ....
One hundred thousand pounds. Every year.
WE are paying BAE nearly two hundred million pounds every year to employ these 1800 people.
They are (nominally at least) in the private sector...where the average wage is 23,000 pounds
(Median wage - 18,000 pounds. )
The one thousand new jobs created every day receive NO public subsidy.
I doubt very much that the shipyard employees of BAE receive very much more than the average wage.
The numbers are so absolutely insane that the question really is - why don't we just give them all say 30,000 a year, they can play golf or whatever and we keep 3 billion a year?
Let's all write to BAE and suggest it. Or perhaps they might like to give us our money back
These numbers are so absolutely barking mad that I have difficulty in believing them. Somebody please tell me my calculator is wrong. Or me.
Nov 6th 2013 | 11:49 pm
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From: The sunshine state
Re: Is the situation in the UK really that bad?
....ooooOOO
Nov 7th 2013 | 2:19 am
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Re: Is the situation in the UK really that bad?
...oooOOO
Nov 7th 2013 | 2:28 am
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Re: Is the situation in the UK really that bad?
Looks like an Australian Highway.
Nov 7th 2013 | 2:38 am
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From: The Charente - still smiling.
Re: Is the situation in the UK really that bad?
Unfortunately only so true. And only going to get worse as I believe the axle weight for lorries is going to be increased AGAIN.
I remember reading twenty years ago that to bring all the roads back up to standard would take thirty years at the rate at the time. And that was assuming no further deterioration.
The trouble is, contrary to popular belief, for historical and geographical reasons Britain has lots of roads that few people use, but very little (comparatively) in the way of class A roads and motorways which lots of people use. So they get used a LOT. I think we have something like the lowest mileage of class A roads in Europe. Certainly in Western Europe
In essence, it is much like the railways pre-Beeching. Lots of little roads (or rail lines) that went to lots of little places. And comparatively few that go where we want. So local councils choose not to repair local roads because all their residents use the larger roads, which are often not the local councils responsibility.
The interesting question arises as to whether we will continue to use transport in the next century in the same fashion we have in the last?
Given the enormous changes in the last, it seems sensible to see enormous change in the future. Paradoxically, IMO, road use in 50 years time might be far closer to that of 100 years ago, assuming that the technological revolution continues. Driverles cars, 3D printing and super super fas communication could well bring back home or cottage based industry on a far greater scale than we can imagine.
I remember reading twenty years ago that to bring all the roads back up to standard would take thirty years at the rate at the time. And that was assuming no further deterioration.
The trouble is, contrary to popular belief, for historical and geographical reasons Britain has lots of roads that few people use, but very little (comparatively) in the way of class A roads and motorways which lots of people use. So they get used a LOT. I think we have something like the lowest mileage of class A roads in Europe. Certainly in Western Europe
In essence, it is much like the railways pre-Beeching. Lots of little roads (or rail lines) that went to lots of little places. And comparatively few that go where we want. So local councils choose not to repair local roads because all their residents use the larger roads, which are often not the local councils responsibility.
The interesting question arises as to whether we will continue to use transport in the next century in the same fashion we have in the last?
Given the enormous changes in the last, it seems sensible to see enormous change in the future. Paradoxically, IMO, road use in 50 years time might be far closer to that of 100 years ago, assuming that the technological revolution continues. Driverles cars, 3D printing and super super fas communication could well bring back home or cottage based industry on a far greater scale than we can imagine.
Nov 7th 2013 | 3:05 am
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Re: Is the situation in the UK really that bad?
Nov 7th 2013 | 3:30 am
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Re: Is the situation in the UK really that bad?
Good website, no potholes where we are planning to retire to 
Nov 7th 2013 | 3:31 am
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From: The Charente - still smiling.
Re: Is the situation in the UK really that bad?
Yes they have been around for a while.
It seems there is always someone looking to profit from other peoples misery.
It seems there is always someone looking to profit from other peoples misery.
Nov 7th 2013 | 3:38 am
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From: The sunshine state
Re: Is the situation in the UK really that bad?
Indeed there is. I hate how the compensation culture has crept into UK society. Always there of course, but it seems to be more prevalent these days, with adds on TV etc. Isn't there a recent case where a holiday company was sued for an incident that happened in a resort someone had booked through them, Virgin I think it was. The consequences of which could lead to higher costs for holidaymakers.
