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Re: Future of the NHS
Originally Posted by dunroving
(Post 11496899)
As with many of these political hot potatoes, it's the extremes that get people all agitated, and as with many of these political hot potatoes, somewhere in between the extremes is the way to go. It's just difficult to figure out how to implement the middle ground so politicians etc. go for the "easy to regulate" option. Cut-off points for body fatness and smoking are easily monitored.
As for charging drunks for A&E care, I am at the extreme end on that one - breathalyse them and charge them. People have a choice about whether to ski or play rugby. Nobody chooses to be obese. |
Re: Future of the NHS
Originally Posted by Editha
(Post 11496911)
Personally, I'd support compulsory insurance for sporting activities.
People have a choice about whether to ski or play rugby. Nobody chooses to be obese. |
Re: Future of the NHS
No, I don't.
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Re: Future of the NHS
Originally Posted by Editha
(Post 11497281)
No, I don't.
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Re: Future of the NHS
Originally Posted by Giantaxe
(Post 11497288)
You're willing to give obese people a free pass whilst at the same time imposing a "financial burden" on those that participate in "sporting activities" that may well help people keep fit and control their weight. I don't see how that's a sensible policy.
Dunroving: like the A&E charging drunks idea, maybe for repeat offenders though. |
Re: Future of the NHS
I may be influenced by once having had to wait for treatment at A&E, on a Sunday afternoon, when all the rugby injuries were arriving.
People do not have to play dangerous sports to keep fit. |
Re: Future of the NHS
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 11497295)
That's bollox. Low risk sport should be covered by the NHS high risk (paragliding for instance) could be covered by private insurance.
And good luck in defining what is actually "high risk". In general, we should be encouraging people to partake in sporting activities. The benefits afforded to those that exercise regularly are pretty clear. |
Re: Future of the NHS
Originally Posted by Giantaxe
(Post 11497300)
The poster I was responding to made no distinction between "high" and "low" risk; they stated that "sporting activities" should require compulsory insurance.
And good luck in defining what is actually "high risk". In general, we should be encouraging people to partake in sporting activities. The benefits afforded to those that exercise regularly are pretty clear. Can't really see any benefit in eating too much or smoking, OTOH. |
Re: Future of the NHS
Actually, I don't think there is very much difficulty in defining 'high risk'. The injury rate from rugby, for example, has become so high there have been calls to ban it in schools.
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Re: Future of the NHS
Originally Posted by Editha
(Post 11497372)
Actually, I don't think there is very much difficulty in defining 'high risk'. The injury rate from rugby, for example, has become so high there have been calls to ban it in schools.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/22/sp...pagewanted=all However, that's a study of top-class players only. |
Re: Future of the NHS
Originally Posted by dunroving
(Post 11497356)
Agree - the benefit-risk ratio of sport participation is high, so taxing, charging or requiring insurance for sport participation will only put people off doing a healthy activity (high-risk/daft sports possibly excluded)
Can't really see any benefit in eating too much or smoking, OTOH. Seems pretty simple. |
Re: Future of the NHS
Originally Posted by bigglesworth
(Post 11497573)
The McGovern report's original conclusion was "Eat less, Do More".
Seems pretty simple. As you say, not exactly rocket science, in fact I despair at the number of "Breaking News" stories that reveal the latest highly-funded study's findinngs that "children who play more get sick less", or some other of the 57 varieties of the "No shit, Sherlock" brand of what is loosely called "research" |
Re: Future of the NHS
Originally Posted by dunroving
(Post 11497851)
Yes,when I was in NC, the Institute of Nutrition's motto was Eat Smart, Move More. Our lab's current motto is Move More, Sit Less.
As you say, not exactly rocket science, in fact I despair at the number of "Breaking News" stories that reveal the latest highly-funded study's findinngs that "children who play more get sick less", or some other of the 57 varieties of the "No shit, Sherlock" brand of what is loosely called "research" |
Re: Future of the NHS
Originally Posted by Editha
(Post 11496911)
Personally, I'd support compulsory insurance for sporting activities.
People have a choice about whether to ski or play rugby. Nobody chooses to be obese. |
Re: Future of the NHS
Perhaps this is the wrong way round?
Obese people die 14 years earlier than healthy people- NIH study finds extreme obesity may shorten life expectancy up to 14 years Smokers 18 years earlier The effect of smoking on life span - Medical News Today Alcohol is unclear but logically must cut by a significant amount Life expectancy calculator points to alcohol, tobacco consumption as biggest factors for who lives the longest | National Post Given that the overwhelming majority of expenditure occurs over the age of 65, http://www.england.nhs.uk/wp-content...tech-Annex.pdf an age few obese, alcoholic smokers exceed, if the purpose of BTWs post is to save the Health Authority money, surely it is the rest of us who should be barred from treatment? The unhealthy ones save the NHS a fortune. |
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