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windsong Jun 17th 2014 5:42 am

Re: Future of the NHS
 

Originally Posted by spouse of scouse (Post 11305612)
Musing on this, as you do late at night, I think I was right with my initial hesitancy to join in the MBTTUK forum. As I said on the 'over 40s' thread, I'm a bit of an interloper in that I'm not 'moving back', I'm just moving.

Any issues/thoughts/questions I have are going to be different to those of British citizens moving back, and my thoughts on accessing the NHS are an example of this.

I think you were a bit harsh with your descriptions of me Editha, but again that's probably just a consequence of me being the proverbial square peg. So I'll scuttle back in me box, and hope that my preciousness, perverseness and silliness will nick off before I emigrate - otherwise I might have a hard time of it.

Beth, you have every right to be in this forum - just as much right as those of us who are "moving back".

Please stay. :)

Sally Redux Jun 17th 2014 5:50 am

Re: Future of the NHS
 

Originally Posted by spouse of scouse (Post 11305612)
Musing on this, as you do late at night, I think I was right with my initial hesitancy to join in the MBTTUK forum. As I said on the 'over 40s' thread, I'm a bit of an interloper in that I'm not 'moving back', I'm just moving.

Any issues/thoughts/questions I have are going to be different to those of British citizens moving back, and my thoughts on accessing the NHS are an example of this.

I think you were a bit harsh with your descriptions of me Editha, but again that's probably just a consequence of me being the proverbial square peg. So I'll scuttle back in me box, and hope that my preciousness, perverseness and silliness will nick off before I emigrate - otherwise I might have a hard time of it.

Don't be daft! Brits love to insult eachother and then have a pint together ;) 'Silly' isn't even on the scale. :drinkingbeer:

michali Jun 17th 2014 6:09 am

Re: Future of the NHS
 
SOS, please don't scuttle back into your box! I am sure others will agree with me that you are a valuable member of this forum and this thread. Different views and opinions are what make for lively discussion.

Pistolpete2 Jun 17th 2014 6:32 am

Re: Future of the NHS
 

Originally Posted by Editha (Post 11304551)
Regardless of the results of the consultation, I'm not aware of any proposals to bring in charges for British Citizens. I'd be interested in where you read this.

The Immigration Act 2014 has received royal assent and can no longer be amended. It contains no provision which would allow charging of British Citizens, so that would require fresh legislation. There was nothing about it in the Queen's Speech either so it isn't going to happen during this Parliament, which means not before the next General Election.

Been all over this before on michali's thread ref the NHS.

The British Citizens are expat British Citizens - not ordinarily resident ones.

https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...nsultation.pdf

items 98 and 99 on page 24. Jury is still OUT.

NB - It wasn't charging before, it was NOT charging when in fact they should have been charged.

Jerseygirl Jun 17th 2014 6:44 am

Re: Future of the NHS
 

Originally Posted by spouse of scouse (Post 11305612)
Musing on this, as you do late at night, I think I was right with my initial hesitancy to join in the MBTTUK forum. As I said on the 'over 40s' thread, I'm a bit of an interloper in that I'm not 'moving back', I'm just moving.

Any issues/thoughts/questions I have are going to be different to those of British citizens moving back, and my thoughts on accessing the NHS are an example of this.

I think you were a bit harsh with your descriptions of me Editha, but again that's probably just a consequence of me being the proverbial square peg. So I'll scuttle back in me box, and hope that my preciousness, perverseness and silliness will nick off before I emigrate - otherwise I might have a hard time of it.

You're not a square peg and don't let one person's comments stop you from posting. Remember Editha said IMO (in my opinion) and that's what the comments were...her opinion. So don't be put off...do stay.

windsong Jun 17th 2014 7:44 am

Re: Future of the NHS
 

Originally Posted by michali (Post 11305689)
SOS, please don't scuttle back into your box! I am sure others will agree with me that you are a valuable member of this forum and this thread. Different views and opinions are what make for lively discussion.

I agree. Beth has been a great person in the forums and, for one, sincerely hope she stays.

PLEASE!!!!!! :cry_smile: :cry_smile:

BristolUK Jun 17th 2014 12:35 pm

Re: Future of the NHS
 
Did people here see this?

Sally Redux Jun 17th 2014 1:05 pm

Re: Future of the NHS
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 11306156)
Did people here see this?

Good to see.

BristolUK Jun 18th 2014 1:43 am

Re: Future of the NHS
 

Originally Posted by Sally Redux (Post 11306191)
Good to see.

I was checking the cost of prescriptions yesterday. £8 each and if you need more than one regularly it need only cost an extra 60p or so with a pre-payment cert.

On top of that I remember reading that most prescriptions (not most people) are free anyway.

In Canada there's no subsidy on prescriptions outside of hospital.

So how the hell does Canada spend 50% more per head than the UK? Where's it all going?

And if that £2k per head includes NHS dentistry as well, it's even more astonishing.

Sally Redux Jun 18th 2014 1:59 am

Re: Future of the NHS
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 11306771)
I was checking the cost of prescriptions yesterday. £8 each and if you need more than one regularly it need only cost an extra 60p or so with a pre-payment cert.

On top of that I remember reading that most prescriptions (not most people) are free anyway.

In Canada there's no subsidy on prescriptions outside of hospital.

So how the hell does Canada spend 50% more per head than the UK? Where's it all going?

And if that £2k per head includes NHS dentistry as well, it's even more astonishing.

I think some of the savings come because the NHS has less billing paperwork , and can bulk negotiate the price of drugs down because of its size, just guessing though.

Giantaxe Jun 18th 2014 2:45 am

Re: Future of the NHS
 

Originally Posted by Sally Redux (Post 11306802)
I think some of the savings come because the NHS has less billing paperwork , and can bulk negotiate the price of drugs down because of its size, just guessing though.

I don't know about Canada but the US spends 4to 5% of its GDP on health care administration.

The argument I hear in the US is that it subsidises the cost of drugs for the rest of the world and that others are leeching off drug research done in the US. My response is "more fool it". Medicare - healthcare for the over 65's - is actually banned from negotiating drug discounts. How stupid is that?

Sally Redux Jun 18th 2014 2:47 am

Re: Future of the NHS
 

Originally Posted by Giantaxe (Post 11306877)
I don't know about Canada but the US spends 4to 5% of its GDP on health care administration.

The argument I hear in the US is that it subsidises the cost of drugs for the rest of the world and that others are leeching off drug research done in the US. My response is "more fool it". Medicare - healthcare for the over 65's - is actually banned from negotiating drug discounts. How stupid is that?

9 years and I still cannot get my head around the protectionism here.

BristolUK Jun 18th 2014 3:11 am

Re: Future of the NHS
 

Originally Posted by Sally Redux (Post 11306802)
I think some of the savings come because the NHS has less billing paperwork , and can bulk negotiate the price of drugs down because of its size, just guessing though.

I'm sure admin is a big part of it. I recall reading that DSS (old name) always had low admin costs in relation to benefits paid out.
I'll bet the same cannot be said of DWP these days!!

But the drugs thing really gets me. Employers employ staff to administer the benefits packages for employees. Insurance companies have a prescriptions wing. Pharmacies have an involvement. There's stuff goes between employer, insurers,pharmacies and doctors.

And if someone uses Province schemes there's a whole other layer.

chris955 Jun 18th 2014 3:47 am

Re: Future of the NHS
 
NHS Provides the 'Best Healthcare in World', says Commonwealth Fund Report

Its a bit hard to disagree although I am sure some will ;)

Bud the Wiser Jun 18th 2014 11:44 am

Re: Future of the NHS
 

Originally Posted by chris955 (Post 11306977)
NHS Provides the 'Best Healthcare in World', says Commonwealth Fund Report

Its a bit hard to disagree although I am sure some will ;)

Why is it a bit hard to disagree?


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