EU citizens 'denied residency documents'
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Has UK applied this rule before, or has it just emerged due to Brexit?
If so...isn't it possible others will apply reciprocity.
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agree
again lower down in that BBC news piece
"Liberal Democrat, Labour and crossbench peers want to amend the bill to include a fast track procedure to give EU migrants a reassurance they can live in the UK.
The rule change would give people from the European Union, European Economic Area (EEA) and Switzerland the right to live permanently in the UK, without having to prove they bought insurance."
MP's or the "Peers", all puffing & blowing ....
again lower down in that BBC news piece
"Liberal Democrat, Labour and crossbench peers want to amend the bill to include a fast track procedure to give EU migrants a reassurance they can live in the UK.
The rule change would give people from the European Union, European Economic Area (EEA) and Switzerland the right to live permanently in the UK, without having to prove they bought insurance."
MP's or the "Peers", all puffing & blowing ....
You don't follow the rules, then complain at the outcome and expect the rules to be changed half way through the game.
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But if the same rule exists doesn't that leave UK retirees vulnerable if any EU country decides to apply the little-known rule....as UK has just done.
Has UK applied this rule before, or has it just emerged due to Brexit?
If so...isn't it possible others will apply reciprocity.
Has UK applied this rule before, or has it just emerged due to Brexit?
If so...isn't it possible others will apply reciprocity.
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Lots of these stories in the press at the moment and the overriding impression is that some otherwise very well educated people haven't bothered to check the basis on which they were allowed to live and work in the UK. If it wasn't for Brexit prompting them then they would still be none the wiser.
Amongs those who joined hands in Parliament Square before meetings to lobby MPs was Michael Arapis, 34, a Greek student who had travelled from Cardiff, where he has been studying to become an international trade lawyer. Mr Arapis, who arrived in the UK 15 years ago, fears that he may not fulfil residency criteria after Brexit.
He said: "There are thousands in my situation, many of them have families and children and we are all concerned about what happens next."
Many protesters expressed fears that they could lose residency rights and benefits including state pension contributions as a result of a legal requirement for EU citizens to have paid for private health cover for five years.
My limited understanding in the matter is that only EU citizens exercising treaty rights as students and self sufficient people are required to have private health cover during their stay in the UK. However, this article from The Times seems to suggest that every EU citizen needs to have private health insurance. Am I wrong?
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.... My limited understanding in the matter is that only EU citizens exercising treaty rights as students and self sufficient people are required to have private health cover during their stay in the UK. However, this article from The Times seems to suggest that every EU citizen needs to have private health insurance. Am I wrong?
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And if I remember correctly, many of the EU countries require CSI for those going the self-sufficient or student routes of free movement. But until last year, the UK didn't accept self-sufficiency or study as a free movement right. The Home Office then brought in a CSI requirement for EU nationals exercising free movement in the UK in November.
So although CSI has long been a feature of the EU free movement directive, it's a recent thing as far as EU nationals were concerned. At least from what I've seen over the years.
So although CSI has long been a feature of the EU free movement directive, it's a recent thing as far as EU nationals were concerned. At least from what I've seen over the years.
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From that link, so what is the issue, 'the rules are the rules'?
"EU citizens living in the UK say they are being denied a guarantee of permanent residency because they do not have health insurance.
Under a little-known rule, EU citizens not in work or those looking for work must buy comprehensive insurance.
One man told the Today programme his application had been rejected, despite living in the UK since the age of 13.
Peers are now trying to change the law. The Home Office said securing the status of EU migrants was a priority.
Since the referendum in June, many EU citizens have applied for documents guaranteeing the right to live permanently in the UK.
But the documents can only be obtained by migrants who have consistently either worked, sought work, or bought the insurance for five years.
The Home Office does not remove people for failing to buy insurance, but will not issue them with the guarantee of permanent residence.
"EU citizens living in the UK say they are being denied a guarantee of permanent residency because they do not have health insurance.
Under a little-known rule, EU citizens not in work or those looking for work must buy comprehensive insurance.
One man told the Today programme his application had been rejected, despite living in the UK since the age of 13.
Peers are now trying to change the law. The Home Office said securing the status of EU migrants was a priority.
Since the referendum in June, many EU citizens have applied for documents guaranteeing the right to live permanently in the UK.
But the documents can only be obtained by migrants who have consistently either worked, sought work, or bought the insurance for five years.
The Home Office does not remove people for failing to buy insurance, but will not issue them with the guarantee of permanent residence.
"EU citizens living in the UK say they are being denied a guarantee of permanent residency because they do not have health insurance."
It is a criminal offence in Germany (I was told) not to subscribe to any sort of health insurance either private or through the govt. regulated system. In fact this applies to all EU countries. Due to free movement EU country citizens ignore this rule or may be they are not aware of it. However, if you are employed you automatically get signed up by employer. Freelance needs to buy private cover. Anybody applying for a Schengen visa e.g. has to show insurance cover. Only UK embassies don't seem to have this requirement.
May be they will from now on.
Last edited by Thairetired2016; Feb 22nd 2017 at 11:45 pm.
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Saw an article in The Times yesterday (21 Feb 2017) by Hannah McGrath -
Amongs those who joined hands in Parliament Square before meetings to lobby MPs was Michael Arapis, 34, a Greek student who had travelled from Cardiff, where he has been studying to become an international trade lawyer. Mr Arapis, who arrived in the UK 15 years ago, fears that he may not fulfil residency criteria after Brexit.
He said: "There are thousands in my situation, many of them have families and children and we are all concerned about what happens next."
Many protesters expressed fears that they could lose residency rights and benefits including state pension contributions as a result of a legal requirement for EU citizens to have paid for private health cover for five years.
My limited understanding in the matter is that only EU citizens exercising treaty rights as students and self sufficient people are required to have private health cover during their stay in the UK. However, this article from The Times seems to suggest that every EU citizen needs to have private health insurance. Am I wrong?
Amongs those who joined hands in Parliament Square before meetings to lobby MPs was Michael Arapis, 34, a Greek student who had travelled from Cardiff, where he has been studying to become an international trade lawyer. Mr Arapis, who arrived in the UK 15 years ago, fears that he may not fulfil residency criteria after Brexit.
He said: "There are thousands in my situation, many of them have families and children and we are all concerned about what happens next."
Many protesters expressed fears that they could lose residency rights and benefits including state pension contributions as a result of a legal requirement for EU citizens to have paid for private health cover for five years.
My limited understanding in the matter is that only EU citizens exercising treaty rights as students and self sufficient people are required to have private health cover during their stay in the UK. However, this article from The Times seems to suggest that every EU citizen needs to have private health insurance. Am I wrong?
In my experience even quality papers with good journalists often print articles with glaring errors if you are familiar with the minutiae of the topic. .... The problem in this case is only for those who were not working or, not seeking work, during those first five years in the UK.
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My experience back then has affected my view of almost all reporting ever since, and that I can frequently pick up errors in reports on, among other things, business and finance, countries, and in all manner of articles on science and technology, has only served over the years to reinforce my view that most journalists are hacks, and even the best only know, at best, about 75% of what they're talking about.
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I have personally known journalists that didn't fit your definition.
One is Freddy Forsyth who, some 50+ years ago, was a 'hack' reporting for the King's Lynn News and Advertiser.
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An older journalist friend has the opinion that this in the USA at least, was a negative fall-out of Watergate- that journalists developed a more inflated view of themselves, and over time felt their ideological goals and career goals of scoring a "coup", were more important than journalistic integrity.
Radio talk shows and cable news seem to make issue even worse. Watching Fox or CNN and one wonders if there is any concern with objectivity at all.
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I think Pulaski ahs a valid point in that most journalists are as he describes. I had to deal just a few years ago with journalists publishing articles about a company I worked for than even the most cursory internet search or common sense would have shown were not based in fact. .....
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It is a mistake to assume that journalists are literate.
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But if the same rule exists doesn't that leave UK retirees vulnerable if any EU country decides to apply the little-known rule....as UK has just done.
Has UK applied this rule before, or has it just emerged due to Brexit?
If so...isn't it possible others will apply reciprocity.
Has UK applied this rule before, or has it just emerged due to Brexit?
If so...isn't it possible others will apply reciprocity.
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I regularly read the Guardian, Financial Times, BBC news, the Economist, and occasionally other reputable media such as Huffington Post, Slate, or the Washington Post. I think that the quality of news reporting in all of them is very high.
The Guardian, FT and the Economist have, between them, covered the issue of EU national's status in the UK, and UK nationals in the EU, post Brexit in depth and accurately.
Press freedom is currently under threat from authoritarian governments and movements. It should be defended.
The Guardian, FT and the Economist have, between them, covered the issue of EU national's status in the UK, and UK nationals in the EU, post Brexit in depth and accurately.
Press freedom is currently under threat from authoritarian governments and movements. It should be defended.