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And that's a bad thing? That's an interesting comment from someone who is about to become an immigrant themselves. Would it be OK for Canada to have a law that means employers have to employ Canadians in preference to English immigrants regardless of who is best suited to the job?

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I guess it's all about different strokes for different folks...... I love Canada, but do not in any way shape or form hate or even dislike the UK. I just like it here....My remaining family there (Except one daughter who is moving over here soon) would never leave it....and they are not morons......(Well maybe one uncle, but we don't like to mention him) I also think that people who have had enough of Canada/Australia/wherever have every right to go back without being called a"moron" but on the flipside i also think that some people come on this forum to know WHY some find it necessary to go back, before they make their final decision. Might just be one jewel of information about their prospective country of choice they had not thought of before.

Maybe the mistake people make is expecting a unbiased answer from everyone when most of the people who have posted on here dislike or even hate their "new" lifestyle.

I suppose you would get the same type of response on a "Moving Away From The UK" forum;)

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Although there is no LAW requiring Canadians to employ Canadians, this is usually what happens, even if the applicant is a well-qualified immigrant..........most frustrating. I think that is a "bad thing".....we are all supposed to be equal regardless of our race, colour gender and creed........aren't we? :)

Re: Anyone Moved Back to the UK and regretted it?
 

Try telling that one to the Chinese traffic cop who pulls you over on the DVP in the rush hour:D

Re: Anyone Moved Back to the UK and regretted it?
 

There was a thread some time ago........it got quite a few people het up I seem to recall...........

http://britishexpats.com/forum/showt...eave+UK&page=1

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If there is no shortage of those particular workers then I think absolutely yes!!

Maybe I didn't make my point as clear as it could have been. As in Canada, Australia and USA, in Britain UK citizens should be considered for jobs over those wishing to come in from abroad where there is no shortage - and that is from someone who wants to become an immigrant!! I fully support a country putting it's own resident people first.

Re: Anyone Moved Back to the UK and regretted it?
 

That's never happened to me.........but I'm intrigued..........do tell :)

Re: Anyone Moved Back to the UK and regretted it?
 

after seeing this thread referred to on the canada bit, i've drifted over for a nosey.

what suprises me is how lots of folk seem to refer to media negativity and the daily mail in particular as responsible for the countries woes. now i agree that the media in the UK seems to hype things and over report, especially in comparison to entertainment tonight canada, but surely if someone is robbed/murdered/whatever, when the media report the facts, this is not an exercise in fantasy or fiction, they are reporting a factual event.

on here there are lots of personal experiences reported, for good and bad, in countries across the world. emigration clearly is not for everyone and there is a multitude of reasons for success and failure. blaming it all on media, perceived or otherwise is a bit naive. look instead at what actual people are posting.

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No one is blaming it all on the media but the UK media represents the underlying negativity of the population and plays to it all the time. It is the way "facts" are reported and hyped differently and the UK media do beat up a whole lot of stuff which in other countries is mentioned but then downplayed. For example - we had an incident outside one of our big shopping centres the other day when a "mum" aged woman was set upon by three feral female teens (kicking, scratching, gouging etc). Now in the UK that would have been splashed all over the front page (Mother attacked by teen girl gang!) of some rag or other. Here it didnt even get a blip in the local (red) rag and wasnt really reported until someone commented on the fact that it had been recorded and put on Youtube. So no doubt there are factual incidents which is fine but the way they are treated does beat them up to assume an importance far worse than they actually are. There is reporting and then there is wallowing in it and the popular UK publications wallow like nowhere else in the world.

Personally I think that journalists are scum - I dont trust a word of what hits the front page having experienced first hand downright lies paraded as truth on our very parochial local paper. They have obviously worked out that sensationalism sells and good news does not. If the media reported the facts, full stop, then that would be a huge advance!

Re: Anyone Moved Back to the UK and regretted it?
 

good one quoll, with a lot of 'popular' papers/rags its more about headlines and mass circulation (money) than it is intelligently reported 'news'!

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surely then if everyone is so miserable and negative the media play to what the public want/are. in which case it begs the question why would anyone want to go back and live amongst such a miserable lot.
if you look back at the posts on this thread, and other such on the mbtuk forum, the media does get blamed, all the time.

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I have mixed feelings about this.

The "country going to the dogs" thing to me is not so much about crime levels, more the nature of the crime compared to past times. Like that case of the disabled woman beaten up, pulled from her wheelchair and urinated on. WHILE A MATE FILMED THE INCIDENT ON HIS MOBILE PHONE.

Evidence in court detailed how he had to find some space to do it.

Now I've never had a mobile phone let alone one with a camera/video feature so I don't know how that would work. But I imagine there was an element of "Wow I must record this to laugh at later....damn, there's no room....hang on a minute Darren I just have to wipe something off to make room....ah yes, I don't need that anymore so that'll do it...okay done....here we go...."

There have always been fights, disagreements, vandalism, gangs etc

But has there really been anything, ever, that compares with the callousness of this sort of thing?

I think not. So there I can sympathise with the going to the dogs view.

But then the reverse happens here. On a forum in Moncton people say this city is going to the dogs. Yet to me the place is, in comparison to Bristol, virtually crime free. I've read of one mugging/attack in three years that didn't involve an already existing dispute between the parties. Break-ins are not that common and overwhelmingly feature tools taken from garages and sheds rather than homes. There are spates of convenience store robbery attempts and within 2 days there's an arrest and the robberies stop because it was just one perp.

And people leave their keys in the ignition, with windows open, when they park their cars in car parks.

Yet who am I to disbelieve people who have lived here far longer than me, who think things are worse than they were?

The thing is, the local paper does NOT do the Daily Mail thing. The folk here actually complain the paper does NOT report the crimes.

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We also have to look at the moral responsability of media forums such as Youtube, perhaps if such awful rubbish was not allowed on such forums then just PERHAPS some of the crimes would not be commited because there would be no point as there would be knowhere for them to be viewed, a bit simplistic I know but food for thought.

I am of course not talking about all crime in general as crime will always happen in every society civilized or otherwise, thats human nature.

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I think the repetitive nature of the reporting is also somewhat to blame for much of the country-gone-to-the-dogs attitude. Some nasty tragedy strikes and it is reported, front page news. Then that same story is re-hashed for weeks and weeks - till the next awful thing comes along and a similar event occurs in the papers. There would rarely be a day when the reporting of another stabbing, or a murder, or some other horrendous callousness is not making at least the first couple of pages of every tabloid. So the impressoin is given of a constant UK-wide murder spree.

So - and I am no way making light of some of the terrible occurrences - but if you are bombarded daily with the news of stabbings, drunks kids, murders, etc - it is little wonder people are scared to set foot out of their doors - when in fact the reality may "only"* be 20 murders.

*20 too many obviously - but you get what I mean.

I don't see that repetition in the media here really in Canada - and I don't know what it is like in other countries. How does the British population support about 6 tabloids financially? There is some perverted element of truth in "we just provide what the public wants". Don't buy it ! ;)

When I lived in Surrey, in my own little bubble, I rarely saw any problems and if it had not been for my job within the police, I would have been mostly oblivious to what went on in our high streets of a weekend. But it was only due to my job that I knew the depth of the problems. On the face of it, and because I wasn't out personally on a Friday night (long past that phase!) I never saw any issues in my area. And as I didn't read papers, I could have floated through for years with no idea of what went on on my doorstep.

So if you see the problems, or work with the end results of them on a daily basis - yes, some elements of society have morphed in a very poor direction. BUT, it's not a UK problem only.

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I'm studying journalism at the moment and the phrase oft-used is "you get the media you deserve".

Newspapers survive on advertising revenue (often the cover charge is subsidised, surprisingly, so they don't make any money there). Without readers they obviously don't make the $, so they give us what we want in order to ensure their survival (newspaper readership is actually steadily declining while the net takes over).

As much as it pains me to say it, if we didn't want to read this stuff, they wouldn't print it!

Edit: It's a bit like those people who complain about celebrity driven culture and intrusion of photographers etc and then they go and pick up a gossip mag to read the latest about Jade Goody or someone equally talentless.