The Reid

On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 15:20:50 +0000,
[email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of
the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:

    >handing over a
    >loyalty card (I refuse to use them)

takes about one second and they send me quite reasonable amounts of
money in return for knowing what I buy, seems a good deal to me.
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Mike Reid
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"Christmas is the christianisation of the solstice" M.Reid(self appointed expert)
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The Reid

On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:33:56 +0100, Deeply Filled Mortician
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:

    >>If you have ever been burgled, you never feel quite the same afterwards.
    >It's mostly in your mind, like rape.

which doesn't mean it isn't important.
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"Christmas is the Disneyfication of Christianity" Don Cupitt (theologian)
"Christmas is the christianisation of the solstice" M.Reid(self appointed expert)
"http://www.fellwalk.co.uk/happyxmas.htm"

David Horne

The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:

    > On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 15:20:50 +0000,
    > [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of
    > the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:
    >
    > >handing over a
    > >loyalty card (I refuse to use them)
    >
    > takes about one second and they send me quite reasonable amounts of
    > money in return for knowing what I buy, seems a good deal to me.

Absolutely not. They're not trying to figure out your buying pattern
because they're your friends. They're trying to figure out which
products they can push up in value. That's why I always tick 'pleasure'
at the easyjet website even if I'm going on business.

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Martin

On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 01:13:13 +0100, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Sun, 10 Dec 2006 18:08:28 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Martin <[email protected]> arranged
    >some electrons, so they looked like this:
    > ... >> > Once at my hotel all that stuff goes into the room safe or my luggage,
    > ... >> >I never use them while in the cities or towns. Regards, Walter
    > ... >>
    > ... >> Note that in quite a number of places it's important to carry your
    > ... >> passport or some good ID on you.
    > ... >
    > ... >Carried on you != Super-Glue'd to your testicles.
    > ...
    > ... Tell Magda where she can stick it.
    >What if I don't want to?

There was no obligation implied.
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Martin

The Reid

On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:32:19 +0000,
[email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of
the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:

    >> takes about one second and they send me quite reasonable amounts of
    >> money in return for knowing what I buy, seems a good deal to me.
    >Absolutely not. They're not trying to figure out your buying pattern
    >because they're your friends.

I never thought they were.

    >They're trying to figure out which
    >products they can push up in value.

you mean price?
All you are telling them is that customer a bought x, y and z rather
than knowing x, y and z were bought. They pay me to know this.
Will Tosco use this info to increase prices, that doesn't seem to be
their game?

    >That's why I always tick 'pleasure'
    >at the easyjet website even if I'm going on business.

Sure, I always say things are too expensive or whatever in surveys.
--
Mike Reid
"Christmas is the Disneyfication of Christianity" Don Cupitt (theologian)
"Christmas is the christianisation of the solstice" M.Reid(self appointed expert)
"http://www.fellwalk.co.uk/happyxmas.htm"

David Horne

The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:

    > On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:32:19 +0000,
    > [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of
    > the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:
    >
    > >> takes about one second and they send me quite reasonable amounts of
    > >> money in return for knowing what I buy, seems a good deal to me.
    > >
    > >Absolutely not. They're not trying to figure out your buying pattern
    > >because they're your friends.
    >
    > I never thought they were.
    >
    > >They're trying to figure out which
    > >products they can push up in value.
    >
    > you mean price?

Yes. There have been reports about this.

    > All you are telling them is that customer a bought x, y and z rather
    > than knowing x, y and z were bought. They pay me to know this.
    > Will Tosco use this info to increase prices, that doesn't seem to be
    > their game?

It is, once they control the world. That sounds flippant, but maybe not
so far-fetched when you realise just how many different businesses they
now have.

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Deeply Filled Mortician

On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 00:35:18 +0100, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:31:07 +0100, Deeply Filled Mortician
    ><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:

    >>I just ask them "Have you got any weed?".
    >You must be real a disappointment to the cocaine salesmen.

IIRC they stand on the bridges muttering "cocaine, cocaine". I had
always assumed it would be anything but that, had I ever bought any.
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Deeply Filled Mortician

On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 00:36:54 +0100, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:33:56 +0100, Deeply Filled Mortician
    ><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
    >>On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:27:32 +0100, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 11:01:50 +0000, [email protected] (David
    >>>Horne, _the_ chancellor of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:
    >>>>Tim C. <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>>> >Another good idea. This all got me thinking though, how many UK people
    >>>>> >travel abroad and worry about theft,
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I worry more about theft when I visit the UK than when I'm "abroad".
    >>>>Maybe you're paranoid. I don't really worry about it anywhere.
    >>>but we are all paranoid on rte. :-)
    >>>If you have ever been burgled, you never feel quite the same afterwards.
    >>It's mostly in your mind, like rape.
    >Is that the voice of experience?

Not personal experience at least.

    >Most of the contents of our house disappeared forever, including the carpets.

Didn't you have insurance?
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Martin

On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 10:26:08 +0000, [email protected] (David
Horne, _the_ chancellor of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:

    >The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:32:19 +0000,
    >> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of
    >> the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:
    >>
    >> >> takes about one second and they send me quite reasonable amounts of
    >> >> money in return for knowing what I buy, seems a good deal to me.
    >> >
    >> >Absolutely not. They're not trying to figure out your buying pattern
    >> >because they're your friends.
    >>
    >> I never thought they were.
    >>
    >> >They're trying to figure out which
    >> >products they can push up in value.
    >>
    >> you mean price?
    >Yes. There have been reports about this.
    >> All you are telling them is that customer a bought x, y and z rather
    >> than knowing x, y and z were bought. They pay me to know this.
    >> Will Tosco use this info to increase prices, that doesn't seem to be
    >> their game?
    >It is, once they control the world. That sounds flippant, but maybe not
    >so far-fetched when you realise just how many different businesses they
    >now have.

Did you ever look to see who Unilever and Premier Foods own?
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Martin

Martin

On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 11:36:00 +0100, Deeply Filled Mortician
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:

    >On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 00:35:18 +0100, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:31:07 +0100, Deeply Filled Mortician
    >><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
    >>>I just ask them "Have you got any weed?".
    >>You must be real a disappointment to the cocaine salesmen.
    >IIRC they stand on the bridges muttering "cocaine, cocaine". I had
    >always assumed it would be anything but that, had I ever bought any.

I haven't been there for about 25 years. The last time I was there was with an
Oz couple. Ton Ton Macoute look alikes wearing mirror sunglasses stood in the
middle of the road trying to sell cocaine.
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Martin

Martin

On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 11:37:16 +0100, Deeply Filled Mortician
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:

    >On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 00:36:54 +0100, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:33:56 +0100, Deeply Filled Mortician
    >><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
    >>>On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:27:32 +0100, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>>On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 11:01:50 +0000, [email protected] (David
    >>>>Horne, _the_ chancellor of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:
    >>>>>Tim C. <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>>>> >Another good idea. This all got me thinking though, how many UK people
    >>>>>> >travel abroad and worry about theft,
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> I worry more about theft when I visit the UK than when I'm "abroad".
    >>>>>Maybe you're paranoid. I don't really worry about it anywhere.
    >>>>but we are all paranoid on rte. :-)
    >>>>If you have ever been burgled, you never feel quite the same afterwards.
    >>>It's mostly in your mind, like rape.
    >>Is that the voice of experience?
    >Not personal experience at least.
    >>Most of the contents of our house disappeared forever, including the carpets.
    >Didn't you have insurance?

Of course, financially we did well out of all four burglaries, but a lot of
stuff was irreplaceable. We still occasionally look for things and realise that
they were stolen too.
--

Martin

David Horne

Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

    > On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 11:36:00 +0100, Deeply Filled Mortician
    > <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
    >
    > >On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 00:35:18 +0100, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > >>On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:31:07 +0100, Deeply Filled Mortician
    > >><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
    > >
    > >>>I just ask them "Have you got any weed?".
    > >>
    > >>You must be real a disappointment to the cocaine salesmen.
    > >
    > >IIRC they stand on the bridges muttering "cocaine, cocaine". I had
    > >always assumed it would be anything but that, had I ever bought any.
    >
    > I haven't been there for about 25 years.

First time I went, I was 15. Me and a friend had just arrived from
Brussels. Sat down on a bench not too far from the station, and a guy
said to us "do you want some grass." I ran away, and my friend shouted
"David, come back here!" I think that's the only proposition I've ever
received in the city, and I've been back many times.

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barney2

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (The Reid) wrote:

    > *From:* The Reid <[email protected]>
    > *Date:* Wed, 13 Dec 2006 10:20:14 +0000
    >
    > On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:32:19 +0000,
    > [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of
    > the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:
    >
    > >> takes about one second and they send me quite reasonable amounts of
    > >> money in return for knowing what I buy, seems a good deal to me.
    > >
    > >Absolutely not. They're not trying to figure out your buying pattern
    > >because they're your friends.
    >
    > I never thought they were.
    >
    > >They're trying to figure out which
    > >products they can push up in value.
    >
    > you mean price?
    > All you are telling them is that customer a bought x, y and z rather
    > than knowing x, y and z were bought. They pay me to know this.
    > Will Tosco use this info to increase prices, that doesn't seem to be
    > their game?

It's not /just/ about increasing prices, it helps the retailer in all
sorts of respects to understand customer behaviour.

For example: if you always buy dried spaghetti when you visit the shop,
but you never buy tomatoes or tomato products, is there something they
should be doing to make the tomato offering more enticing to you?

-Mimi

"The Reid" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 15:20:50 +0000,
> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of
> the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:
>
>>handing over a
>>loyalty card (I refuse to use them)
>
> takes about one second and they send me quite reasonable amounts of
> money in return for knowing what I buy, seems a good deal to me.
> --

There was a case here in the US. A man was at the supermarket, slipped on
some spilled milk and fell. He was hurt and sued the store. They used his
buying records (obtained because he had a "loyalty" card) to demonstrate he
bought quantities of liquor, beer, etc., so therefore likely slipped because
he was drunk.

I refuse to have one of those cards.

Marianne

Deeply Filled Mortician

On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 12:38:45 +0100, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 11:37:16 +0100, Deeply Filled Mortician
    ><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
    >>On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 00:36:54 +0100, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:33:56 +0100, Deeply Filled Mortician
    >>><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
    >>>>On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:27:32 +0100, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>>>On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 11:01:50 +0000, [email protected] (David
    >>>>>Horne, _the_ chancellor of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:
    >>>>>>Tim C. <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>>>>> >Another good idea. This all got me thinking though, how many UK people
    >>>>>>> >travel abroad and worry about theft,
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> I worry more about theft when I visit the UK than when I'm "abroad".
    >>>>>>Maybe you're paranoid. I don't really worry about it anywhere.
    >>>>>but we are all paranoid on rte. :-)
    >>>>>If you have ever been burgled, you never feel quite the same afterwards.
    >>>>It's mostly in your mind, like rape.
    >>>Is that the voice of experience?
    >>Not personal experience at least.
    >>>Most of the contents of our house disappeared forever, including the carpets.
    >>Didn't you have insurance?
    >Of course, financially we did well out of all four burglaries, but a lot of
    >stuff was irreplaceable. We still occasionally look for things and realise that
    >they were stolen too.

Four burglaries! Was it all in the same house?
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