World War 2 was a failure!
Jun 2nd 2003, 12:18 am
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"Allen Williams" wrote in message
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> > >
> > > Funny you should mention the V2s. They were much bigger bombs then
> > anything the
> > > allies dropped.
> > >
> >
> > The bomb or the delivery system?
> One in the same. The V2 didn't drop it's load and go home. All of it, was
the
> bomb, as much as a bullet is destructive without even exploding, and the
V2
> had all of it's weight, inertia "and" a heck of a lot of explosive to make
> things interesting.
The V2 carried an explosive warhead (Amatol Fp60/40) weighing approximately
738 kg. Impact weight 4,040 kg
The "Tall Boy" bomb warhead (Torpex explosive) 2,358 kg. Impact weight 5,443
kg
The "Grand Slam" (Earthquake) bomb warhead (Torpex explosive) 4,144 kg.
Impact weight 9,979 kg
Adrian.
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> > >
> > > Funny you should mention the V2s. They were much bigger bombs then
> > anything the
> > > allies dropped.
> > >
> >
> > The bomb or the delivery system?
> One in the same. The V2 didn't drop it's load and go home. All of it, was
the
> bomb, as much as a bullet is destructive without even exploding, and the
V2
> had all of it's weight, inertia "and" a heck of a lot of explosive to make
> things interesting.
The V2 carried an explosive warhead (Amatol Fp60/40) weighing approximately
738 kg. Impact weight 4,040 kg
The "Tall Boy" bomb warhead (Torpex explosive) 2,358 kg. Impact weight 5,443
kg
The "Grand Slam" (Earthquake) bomb warhead (Torpex explosive) 4,144 kg.
Impact weight 9,979 kg
Adrian.
Jun 2nd 2003, 1:21 am
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Please give us your cites for these statements Walter!
"walter" wrote in message
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> Allen Williams wrote in message
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> > World War 2 was a failure!
> >
> > Maybe!!!! But it kept all of our asses out of the gas
> > chamber!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> Did you know that the concentration camps and the railroads to them
> were carefully excluded from allied bombing?
> These railroads were the only intact ones in whole Germany after the
> war, as first time tables from 1945 show.
> Mr. Roosevelt and Mr. Churchill said that they did not know where they
> are. A lie, they were marked on allied maps.
> Then they said that they did not know what was going on there. A lie,
> as documents dated 1941 show.
> Then they said there were more important targets. Like massacring
> 100000 refugees in defenseless Dresden? One single bomb would have
> destroyed the death factory in Auschwitz, saving hundred thousands.
> This was the only "industry" left untouched by the bombers!
> Walter
"walter" wrote in message
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> Allen Williams wrote in message
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> > World War 2 was a failure!
> >
> > Maybe!!!! But it kept all of our asses out of the gas
> > chamber!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> Did you know that the concentration camps and the railroads to them
> were carefully excluded from allied bombing?
> These railroads were the only intact ones in whole Germany after the
> war, as first time tables from 1945 show.
> Mr. Roosevelt and Mr. Churchill said that they did not know where they
> are. A lie, they were marked on allied maps.
> Then they said that they did not know what was going on there. A lie,
> as documents dated 1941 show.
> Then they said there were more important targets. Like massacring
> 100000 refugees in defenseless Dresden? One single bomb would have
> destroyed the death factory in Auschwitz, saving hundred thousands.
> This was the only "industry" left untouched by the bombers!
> Walter
Jun 2nd 2003, 2:34 am
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"Gene" wrote in message
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> Please give us your cites for these statements Walter!
gene genie do a search on "Preston Bush" {you may narrow your
search by adding WWII and/or fascist and/or international corporations
circa 1928 to 1943} and should you find little to nothing then you have
something to fear besides fear itself 'cause this sucker is more "famous"
than The Dixie Chicks except he and his family do want to keep his
"fame" a closely guarded, at any cost, which may be individual freedoms,
secret.
america will soon to be so secret that one will be able to find Jimmy
Hoffa's remains before one even sights, or gets a whiff, of what
once was known as the land of the fascists and the home of bravado.
JHall.
Deleted stuff regarding the "safe passage" of the resources for
Gernmany's largest industry during WWII.
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> Please give us your cites for these statements Walter!
gene genie do a search on "Preston Bush" {you may narrow your
search by adding WWII and/or fascist and/or international corporations
circa 1928 to 1943} and should you find little to nothing then you have
something to fear besides fear itself 'cause this sucker is more "famous"
than The Dixie Chicks except he and his family do want to keep his
"fame" a closely guarded, at any cost, which may be individual freedoms,
secret.
america will soon to be so secret that one will be able to find Jimmy
Hoffa's remains before one even sights, or gets a whiff, of what
once was known as the land of the fascists and the home of bravado.
JHall.
Deleted stuff regarding the "safe passage" of the resources for
Gernmany's largest industry during WWII.
Jun 2nd 2003, 5:05 am
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"James Hall" wrote in message
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> "Gene" wrote in message
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> > Please give us your cites for these statements Walter!
> gene genie do a search on "Preston Bush" {you may narrow your
> search by adding WWII and/or fascist and/or international corporations
> circa 1928 to 1943} and should you find little to nothing then you have
> something to fear besides fear itself 'cause this sucker is more "famous"
> than The Dixie Chicks except he and his family do want to keep his
> "fame" a closely guarded, at any cost, which may be individual freedoms,
> secret.
> america will soon to be so secret that one will be able to find Jimmy
> Hoffa's remains before one even sights, or gets a whiff, of what
> once was known as the land of the fascists and the home of bravado.
> JHall.
> Deleted stuff regarding the "safe passage" of the resources for
> Gernmany's largest industry during WWII.
I think you must mean Prescott Bush.
GG
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> "Gene" wrote in message
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> > Please give us your cites for these statements Walter!
> gene genie do a search on "Preston Bush" {you may narrow your
> search by adding WWII and/or fascist and/or international corporations
> circa 1928 to 1943} and should you find little to nothing then you have
> something to fear besides fear itself 'cause this sucker is more "famous"
> than The Dixie Chicks except he and his family do want to keep his
> "fame" a closely guarded, at any cost, which may be individual freedoms,
> secret.
> america will soon to be so secret that one will be able to find Jimmy
> Hoffa's remains before one even sights, or gets a whiff, of what
> once was known as the land of the fascists and the home of bravado.
> JHall.
> Deleted stuff regarding the "safe passage" of the resources for
> Gernmany's largest industry during WWII.
I think you must mean Prescott Bush.
GG
Jun 2nd 2003, 7:11 am
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> The U.S. wars with Iraq started with Iraq invading Kuwait .....
The last one started with apparent lies about WMD.
The last one started with apparent lies about WMD.
Jun 2nd 2003, 8:40 am
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"Joe" wrote in news:bjNCa.783$Ry3.501975
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>> The U.S. wars with Iraq started with Iraq invading Kuwait .....
>
> The last one started with apparent lies about WMD.
>
And it wasn't really a "war". It was an unjustified invasion of a
sovereign country by the U.S. and British forces. What a sham and a shame
it was at that.
>
>
@monger.newsread.com:
>> The U.S. wars with Iraq started with Iraq invading Kuwait .....
>
> The last one started with apparent lies about WMD.
>
And it wasn't really a "war". It was an unjustified invasion of a
sovereign country by the U.S. and British forces. What a sham and a shame
it was at that.
>
>
Jun 2nd 2003, 8:53 am
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Tony B wrote:
> > the suggestion (as per above) that Europeans know that the US will save their
> > asses if they get into a war. While the NATO agreements call for protection if
> > they are invaded, pre-NATO experience is
> LOL! Pre-NATO. We're talking about today. Hello McFly, are you in there?
NATO obliges member countries to come to the defense of other members. During the cold
war it provided for a European theatre if the US had to go head to head against the US,
preferable to fighting on their own turf. It has also been a very profitable deal for
the US, since a major function of the treaty involves arms sales.
> > Sorry, but Europeans would have to have awfully short memories before they would
> > ever expect the US to jump in and help them out.
> LOL! There wouldn't even be a Europe if we hadn't liberated it and given
> it back. This might fly in the sticks in Canada, where they don't even
> have an army, but not down here, bub.
Typical "we liberated Europe" BS. Europeans have a lot of experience with the US
sitting back to see which way the smoke if blowing before deciding to go in and help
out. Despite your claim that Canada has no army, it certainly fielded one in both WW I
and WW II. Canada was in Europe three years before the Americans in WW I, and was
victorious in a number of the major battles after European armies had met repeated
failures. Canadian troops were in Europe for WW II more than two years before the
Americans.
> > the suggestion (as per above) that Europeans know that the US will save their
> > asses if they get into a war. While the NATO agreements call for protection if
> > they are invaded, pre-NATO experience is
> LOL! Pre-NATO. We're talking about today. Hello McFly, are you in there?
NATO obliges member countries to come to the defense of other members. During the cold
war it provided for a European theatre if the US had to go head to head against the US,
preferable to fighting on their own turf. It has also been a very profitable deal for
the US, since a major function of the treaty involves arms sales.
> > Sorry, but Europeans would have to have awfully short memories before they would
> > ever expect the US to jump in and help them out.
> LOL! There wouldn't even be a Europe if we hadn't liberated it and given
> it back. This might fly in the sticks in Canada, where they don't even
> have an army, but not down here, bub.
Typical "we liberated Europe" BS. Europeans have a lot of experience with the US
sitting back to see which way the smoke if blowing before deciding to go in and help
out. Despite your claim that Canada has no army, it certainly fielded one in both WW I
and WW II. Canada was in Europe three years before the Americans in WW I, and was
victorious in a number of the major battles after European armies had met repeated
failures. Canadian troops were in Europe for WW II more than two years before the
Americans.
Jun 2nd 2003, 9:22 am
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On Mon, 02 Jun 2003 19:11:03 GMT, "Joe" wrote:
>> The U.S. wars with Iraq started with Iraq invading Kuwait .....
>The last one started with apparent lies about WMD.
The recent invasion, technically speaking was merely an extention of
the first one.
--
AVE AMERICA, AVE IMPERATOR.
AVE DUBYA, TE MORITU, TE SALUTUS
>> The U.S. wars with Iraq started with Iraq invading Kuwait .....
>The last one started with apparent lies about WMD.
The recent invasion, technically speaking was merely an extention of
the first one.
--
AVE AMERICA, AVE IMPERATOR.
AVE DUBYA, TE MORITU, TE SALUTUS
Jun 2nd 2003, 9:31 am
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In article , Tony B
writes
>Look Magda (Goebbels?), since you're so anti-technology, why don't you
>quit wasting your time here and join your kin at the anti-G8 protests.
What a stupid person you must be.
--
Marie Lewis
writes
>Look Magda (Goebbels?), since you're so anti-technology, why don't you
>quit wasting your time here and join your kin at the anti-G8 protests.
What a stupid person you must be.
--
Marie Lewis
Jun 2nd 2003, 9:31 am
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In article , Bob
writes
>"Joe" wrote in news:bjNCa.783$Ry3.501975
>@monger.newsread.com:
>>> The U.S. wars with Iraq started with Iraq invading Kuwait .....
>> The last one started with apparent lies about WMD.
>And it wasn't really a "war". It was an unjustified invasion of a
>sovereign country by the U.S. and British forces. What a sham and a shame
>it was at that.
You are so correct in that.
--
Marie Lewis
writes
>"Joe" wrote in news:bjNCa.783$Ry3.501975
>@monger.newsread.com:
>>> The U.S. wars with Iraq started with Iraq invading Kuwait .....
>> The last one started with apparent lies about WMD.
>And it wasn't really a "war". It was an unjustified invasion of a
>sovereign country by the U.S. and British forces. What a sham and a shame
>it was at that.
You are so correct in that.
--
Marie Lewis
Jun 2nd 2003, 11:11 am
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On 2 Jun 2003 16:40:38 -0400, Bob wrote:
>"Joe" wrote in news:bjNCa.783$Ry3.501975
>@monger.newsread.com:
>>> The U.S. wars with Iraq started with Iraq invading Kuwait .....
>>
>> The last one started with apparent lies about WMD.
>>
>And it wasn't really a "war". It was an unjustified invasion of a
>sovereign country by the U.S. and British forces. What a sham and a shame
>it was at that.
Even my dog isn't so stupid as to believe what you posted.
Bwahahahahahaha. Your tinfoil hat is in the mail.
--
AVE AMERICA, AVE IMPERATOR.
AVE DUBYA, TE MORITU, TE SALUTUS
>"Joe" wrote in news:bjNCa.783$Ry3.501975
>@monger.newsread.com:
>>> The U.S. wars with Iraq started with Iraq invading Kuwait .....
>>
>> The last one started with apparent lies about WMD.
>>
>And it wasn't really a "war". It was an unjustified invasion of a
>sovereign country by the U.S. and British forces. What a sham and a shame
>it was at that.
Even my dog isn't so stupid as to believe what you posted.
Bwahahahahahaha. Your tinfoil hat is in the mail.
--
AVE AMERICA, AVE IMPERATOR.
AVE DUBYA, TE MORITU, TE SALUTUS
Jun 2nd 2003, 11:40 am
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gatsby wrote:
> My head is heavy with shame.
>
> Gary Nichols
Your head is heavy with rocks, racist boy.
> My head is heavy with shame.
>
> Gary Nichols
Your head is heavy with rocks, racist boy.
Jun 2nd 2003, 11:44 am
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gatsby wrote:
> As I have said, in the case of the French especially, I hold the goverment
> especially
> Joke Chirac
Joke Chirac? Didn't you see him and Bush make up? Why are you hell-bent
on making the French hate Americans?
People like you give us ALL a bad name.
> As I have said, in the case of the French especially, I hold the goverment
> especially
> Joke Chirac
Joke Chirac? Didn't you see him and Bush make up? Why are you hell-bent
on making the French hate Americans?
People like you give us ALL a bad name.
Jun 2nd 2003, 11:49 am
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Dave Smith wrote:
> Typical "we liberated Europe" BS. Europeans have a lot of experience with the US
> sitting back to see which way the smoke if blowing before deciding to go in and help
> out.
LOL! Like we were in talks with Hitler until suddenly it got cold in
Russia and THEN we decided to help Britian. We were helping the French
and British just like many European nations helped us in Iraq - in
non-military ways.
> Despite your claim that Canada has no army, it certainly fielded one in both WW I
> and WW II. Canada was in Europe three years before the Americans in WW I, and was
> victorious in a number of the major battles after European armies had met repeated
> failures. Canadian troops were in Europe for WW II more than two years before the
> Americans.
Again, you're talking about 60 years ago.
> Typical "we liberated Europe" BS. Europeans have a lot of experience with the US
> sitting back to see which way the smoke if blowing before deciding to go in and help
> out.
LOL! Like we were in talks with Hitler until suddenly it got cold in
Russia and THEN we decided to help Britian. We were helping the French
and British just like many European nations helped us in Iraq - in
non-military ways.
> Despite your claim that Canada has no army, it certainly fielded one in both WW I
> and WW II. Canada was in Europe three years before the Americans in WW I, and was
> victorious in a number of the major battles after European armies had met repeated
> failures. Canadian troops were in Europe for WW II more than two years before the
> Americans.
Again, you're talking about 60 years ago.
Jun 2nd 2003, 11:51 am
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Joe wrote:
>
> > The U.S. wars with Iraq started with Iraq invading Kuwait .....
>
> The last one started with apparent lies about WMD.
The last one started in 1991 and hasn't ended till this day. Get your
facts straight before you post.
>
> > The U.S. wars with Iraq started with Iraq invading Kuwait .....
>
> The last one started with apparent lies about WMD.
The last one started in 1991 and hasn't ended till this day. Get your
facts straight before you post.
