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Old Jun 1st 2003, 2:30 am
  #46  
Thomas Peel
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gatsby schrieb:
    >
    > Tony B wrote in message news:...
    > > No WMD were ever found in Germany! This means we were wrong! All the
    > > European countries under German control in 1941 must be returned to the
    > > new Fourth Reich! Sure, there were mass murder, pillaging etc., but that
    > > all happened in Iraq too and nobody cares! Tomorrow the Swastika must
    > > fly over the Eifel Tower again because WE WERE WRONG THEN AND WE ARE
    > > WRONG NOW - according to France and others!
    > >
    > >
    > > "War means failure" - Jaqoff Chirac
    >
    > Don't you mean Jacquestrap Chirac.
    >
    > This is to let you know that there are many Americans (most) who think
    > as you do (myself included). Liberals just control most media and the
    > internet. I listen/watch ONLY Fox news for fair unbiased reporting.
    >

Some info about Fox News:

http://www.sierratimes.com/03/02/28/arpubmg022803.htm

Appellate Court Rules Media Can Legally Lie.
By Mike Gaddy
Published 02. 28. 03 at 19:31 Sierra
Time


On February 14, a Florida Appeals court ruled there
is absolutely
nothing illegal about lying, concealing or
distorting information by a
major press organization. The court reversed the
$425,000 jury
verdict in favor of journalist Jane Akre who
charged she was
pressured by Fox Television management and lawyers
to air what
she knew and documented to be false information.
The ruling
basically declares it is technically not against
any law, rule, or
regulation to deliberately lie or distort the news
on a television
broadcast.

On August 18, 2000, a six-person jury was unanimous
in its
conclusion that Akre was indeed fired for
threatening to report the
station's pressure to broadcast what jurors decided
was "a false,
distorted, or slanted" story about the widespread
use of growth
hormone in dairy cows. The court did not dispute
the heart of Akre's
claim, that Fox pressured her to broadcast a false
story to protect
the broadcaster from having to defend the truth in
court, as well as
suffer the ire of irate advertisers.

Fox argued from the first, and failed on three
separate occasions, in
front of three different judges, to have the case
tossed out on the
grounds there is no hard, fast, and written rule
against deliberate
distortion of the news. The attorneys for Fox,
owned by media
baron Rupert Murdock, argued the First Amendment
gives
broadcasters the right to lie or deliberately
distort news reports on
the public airwaves.

In its six-page written decision, the Court of
Appeals held that the
Federal Communications Commission position against
news distortion
is only a "policy," not a promulgated law, rule, or
regulation.

Fox aired a report after the ruling saying it was
"totally vindicated"
by the verdict.


© 2003 SierraTimes.com (unless otherwise
noted)
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Regards
Tom
 
Old Jun 1st 2003, 3:23 am
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On Sat, 31 May 2003 08:34:55 GMT, Tony B wrote:

    >No WMD were ever found in Germany! This means we were wrong! All the
    >European countries under German control in 1941 must be returned to the
    >new Fourth Reich! Sure, there were mass murder, pillaging etc., but that
    >all happened in Iraq too and nobody cares! Tomorrow the Swastika must
    >fly over the Eifel Tower again because WE WERE WRONG THEN AND WE ARE
    >WRONG NOW - according to France and others!
    >"War means failure" - Jaqoff Chirac

I just noticed this was crossposted to "alt.flame.niggers". That explains an
awful lot.

Tony, you ranting shit-for-brains piece of redneck trailer trash, go peddle your
garbarge somewhere else. And the great thing is, whatever response you make, I
don't have to look at it.

Hurray for killfile!
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- Abraham Lincoln
 
Old Jun 1st 2003, 4:09 am
  #48  
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Hatunen wrote:

    > >> Most of Europe is a joke when it comes to their military. Why? They know
    > >> the US will save their ass if they ever get in a war.
    > >
    > >They know no such thing. They know from experience that the US in more
    > >concerned about US interests than theirs, and they know from experience that
    > >they US will sit back for along time until they are forced into action.
    > >
    > Let's see. The US is concerned about it's own interests. Just
    > like every other nation. And they'll keep their noses out rather
    > than jumping right in. but a couple of times in the last century
    > the US decided that it's interests were affected by events in
    > Europe and they did jump in.
    > This is bad how?

Sure they are concerned about their own interests. That is good, as log as they
do not act against the interests of other countries. However, I was responding to
the suggestion (as per above) that Europeans know that the US will save their
asses if they get into a war. While the NATO agreements call for protection if
they are invaded, pre-NATO experience is that the US would be happy to sit by and
let them fight it out so long as US assets are not attacked. When Germany
invaded France at the beginning of WW I, the US sat out more than half the war
and got involved only after the Lusitania was sunk. They sat out more than 2
years of WW II and probably would have let Germany win had it not been for the
Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor and it's Axis partners declaring war on the US.

Sorry, but Europeans would have to have awfully short memories before they would
ever expect the US to jump in and help them out.
 
Old Jun 1st 2003, 4:19 am
  #49  
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gatsby wrote:
    > [email protected] (S?ndor, the Gypsy Baron) wrote:
    >> If I see you drowning, of course, I'd rescue you. Then, does that mean
    >> that my descendents would never have to work a day in their lives anymore
    >> because your family's future generations would forever take care of me
    >> and my descendents? :-)
    > Bad alliteration.

FYI, "alliteration" is when all (or most of) the words in a sentence, or
lines in a stanza, start with the same sound. I don't think he was going for
that.

miguel
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Old Jun 1st 2003, 5:52 am
  #50  
Earl Evleth
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On 1/06/03 18:09, in article [email protected], "Dave Smith"
wrote:

    > Hatunen wrote:
    >
    >> but a couple of times in the last century
    >> the US decided that it's interests were affected by events in
    >> Europe and they did jump in.
    >>
    >> This is bad how?
    >
    > Sure they are concerned about their own interests. That is good, as log as
    > they
    > do not act against the interests of other countries. However, I was responding
    > to
    > the suggestion (as per above) that Europeans know that the US will save their
    > asses if they get into a war. While the NATO agreements call for protection if
    > they are invaded, pre-NATO experience is that the US would be happy to sit by
    > and
    > let them fight it out so long as US assets are not attacked. When Germany
    > invaded France at the beginning of WW I, the US sat out more than half the
    > war
    > and got involved only after the Lusitania was sunk. They sat out more than 2
    > years of WW II and probably would have let Germany win had it not been for the
    > Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor and it's Axis partners declaring war on the
    > US.
    >
    > Sorry, but Europeans would have to have awfully short memories before they
    > would
    > ever expect the US to jump in and help them out.


Right, America`s entries were not preemptive but they were attacked, acts
of war were committed against the USA and it felt it could not dodge the
situation.

Hitler declared war on the USA in WWII, the US might well have avoided going
to war with Germany it it had a choice. Polls just prior to the war showed
public opinion over 90% against involvement.

In fact, it was hard to see American national interest in getting involved
in Europe prior to WWII. The US did not enter WWII with the idea of
becoming a superpower or did it have the kind of ambitions it has now in
messing around in the middle east. The US did not have to lie to get
involved In WWII. It had no choice.

The problem with an ideology of preemptive wars is that those who have
generally practiced this have not been on the right side of history.


Earl
 
Old Jun 1st 2003, 10:47 am
  #51  
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Valentine Michael Smith wrote:

    > The A-bomb program in Germany got bombed into a non-event - not
    > canceled by choice.


Hitler gave priority to rockets and jet engines (and he misused them).
He never believed in the nuclear program, that's why it had low
priority. If he really wanted and believed in it, it would have taken a
lot more than a bombing raid to stop it.
 
Old Jun 1st 2003, 10:48 am
  #52  
Tony B
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Mason Barge wrote:

    > I disagree. I know people named "Tony" who aren't idiots.



But name one person going by the gay name of Mason Barge that isn't an
idiot!
 
Old Jun 1st 2003, 10:50 am
  #53  
Tony B
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Magda wrote:

    > And what happens to Kuwait is any business of the usa ?


If you drive a car, Magda, it is your business, too.
 
Old Jun 1st 2003, 10:55 am
  #54  
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Tony B wrote:
    > Magda wrote:
    >> And what happens to Kuwait is any business of the usa ?
    > If you drive a car, Magda, it is your business, too.

If you drive a car, and that - cheap oil so you can drive - is your
justification for war in Kuwait (strange since there are other better
justifications) then you are truly sick.

miguel
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Old Jun 1st 2003, 10:56 am
  #55  
Miguel Cruz
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Tony B wrote:
    > But name one person going by the gay name of Mason Barge that isn't an
    > idiot!

We've got one here in rec.travel.europe.

miguel
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Old Jun 1st 2003, 11:14 am
  #56  
Tony B
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Miguel Cruz wrote:
    >
    > Tony B wrote:
    > > Magda wrote:
    > >> And what happens to Kuwait is any business of the usa ?
    > >
    > > If you drive a car, Magda, it is your business, too.
    >
    > If you drive a car, and that - cheap oil so you can drive - is your
    > justification for war in Kuwait (strange since there are other better
    > justifications) then you are truly sick.


Hold on there champ, it's just one of many reasons. If you can't figure
it out, there is no reason for me to explain it to you. Meanwhile, if
you're against a modern peaceful world, go live in a hut in Africa or
something and tell us you only need food off the land to live.
 
Old Jun 1st 2003, 11:20 am
  #57  
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[email protected] (Miguel Cruz) wrote in message news:...
    > gatsby wrote:
    > > [email protected] (S?ndor, the Gypsy Baron) wrote:
    > >> If I see you drowning, of course, I'd rescue you. Then, does that mean
    > >> that my descendents would never have to work a day in their lives anymore
    > >> because your family's future generations would forever take care of me
    > >> and my descendents? :-)
    > >
    > > Bad alliteration.
    >
    > FYI, "alliteration" is when all (or most of) the words in a sentence, or
    > lines in a stanza, start with the same sound. I don't think he was going for
    > that.
    >
    > miguel

My head is heavy with shame.

Gary Nichols
 
Old Jun 1st 2003, 12:34 pm
  #58  
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On Sun, 01 Jun 2003 09:04:33 -0400, Valentine Michael Smith
wrote:

    >On Sat, 31 May 2003 11:10:10 GMT, "Joe" wrote:
    >>"Tony B" wrote in message
    >>news:[email protected]...
    >>> No WMD were ever found in Germany! This means we were wrong!
    >>Germany aggression not the fear of WMD started WWII, jackass.
    >The U.S. wars with Iraq started with Iraq invading Kuwait .....

Correct and before that RUMMY was kissing Sadams ass like a high
school kind in the back seat of a 57 Chevy!!!

THOM
    >........
    >N' keep it in yer mind and not fergit
    >That it is not he or she or them or it
    >That you belong to.
    >Bob Dylan
    >...........
    >www.libertarian.on.ca
    >..................
 
Old Jun 1st 2003, 12:34 pm
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On Sun, 01 Jun 2003 15:39:03 +0200, Magda wrote:

    >On Sun, 01 Jun 2003 09:04:33 -0400, in rec.travel.europe, Valentine Michael Smith
    > arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
    > ... On Sat, 31 May 2003 11:10:10 GMT, "Joe" wrote:
    > ...
    > ... >
    > ... >"Tony B" wrote in message
    > ... >news:[email protected]...
    > ... >> No WMD were ever found in Germany! This means we were wrong!
    > ... >
    > ... >Germany aggression not the fear of WMD started WWII, jackass.
    > ... >
    > ...
    > ... The U.S. wars with Iraq started with Iraq invading Kuwait .....
    >And what happens to Kuwait is any business of the usa ?

that's what morons like Bin Laden are saying? I would say when the
King when to the UN and asked for help it became the UN's business.

THOM
 
Old Jun 1st 2003, 12:34 pm
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Thom
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On Sun, 01 Jun 2003 09:10:41 -0400, Valentine Michael Smith
wrote:

    >On Sat, 31 May 2003 08:34:55 GMT, Tony B
    > wrote:
    >>No WMD were ever found in Germany! This means we were wrong! All the
    >>European countries under German control in 1941 must be returned to the
    >>new Fourth Reich! Sure, there were mass murder, pillaging etc., but that
    >>all happened in Iraq too and nobody cares! Tomorrow the Swastika must
    >>fly over the Eifel Tower again because WE WERE WRONG THEN AND WE ARE
    >>WRONG NOW - according to France and others!
    >Actually there lots of weapons of mass destruction found in Germany
    >after the war - they were the first to try to develop the A-bomb

But failed

    >and
    >they were the first to use long range missiles

The A-4/V-2 had a range of 150 miles or so, not exactly long range in
anyones book.

The biggest bombs dropped in WW2 came out of England, not Germany.

History when correct is a wonderful thing
THOM
    >and if both had been
    >left in Germany (and not perfected in the US and Russia) we would have
    >been better off (along with thier worst exported WMD - Karl Marx and
    >other friends of authoritarian socialism).
    >........
    >N' keep it in yer mind and not fergit
    >That it is not he or she or them or it
    >That you belong to.
    >Bob Dylan
    >...........
    >www.libertarian.on.ca
    >..................
 


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