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Old May 31st 2003, 7:45 am
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Tony B
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gatsby wrote:

    > You are right about WW2. Why was that a good war for the US to be
    > involved in? Why are other wars the US has been involved in scorned
    > by much of the world, especially Europeons. Perhaps because it's not
    > the Europeons that are in trouble? Perhaps they don't care about the
    > rest of the worlds people? Those tortured and dying under tyrannical,
    > insane leaders?


If Saddam had declared war on France (a country far away and no real way
to hit it) like Hitler had declared war on the US (a country far away
and no real way to hit it) France would have done nothing but laugh.
"Come get us Sadddam! War means failure!" - JC
 
Old May 31st 2003, 7:50 am
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Tony B
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Allen Williams wrote:
    >
    > World War 2 was a failure!
    >
    > Maybe!!!! But it kept all of our asses out of the gas
    > chamber!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You must be posting from Europe. No, you can't be, they don't realize
this...
 
Old May 31st 2003, 8:39 am
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Gatsby
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    >Subject: Re: World War 2 was a failure!
    >From: Tony B [email protected]
    >Date: 5/31/03 12:45 Pacific Daylight Time
    >Message-id:
    >gatsby wrote:
    >> You are right about WW2. Why was that a good war for the US to be
    >> involved in? Why are other wars the US has been involved in scorned
    >> by much of the world, especially Europeons. Perhaps because it's not
    >> the Europeons that are in trouble? Perhaps they don't care about the
    >> rest of the worlds people? Those tortured and dying under tyrannical,
    >> insane leaders?
    >If Saddam had declared war on France (a country far away and no real way
    >to hit it) like Hitler had declared war on the US (a country far away
    >and no real way to hit it) France would have done nothing but laugh.
    >"Come get us Sadddam! War means failure!" - JC

I've found that, when speaking with people from Europe regarding why the US
entered WW2, most of them don't even know that Germany declared war on the US.
They think that we entered the war to help our allies which is the truth. Sooo
bringing up the old, worn out Germany declared war on us crap is just a
favorite of liberals who don't want us helping anyone else. Most US libs don't
like
people of color and different ethnencicities, no matter what they think they
believe. If we were involved in a war in western Europe they would be standing
up and cheering.

The Europeon allies themselves have forgotten why we enetered WW2.. Someone,
a Dutchman, once asked me if the Europeons should be grateful forever. I
answered "Of Course".

Gary Nichols



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All countries are good. Some are better than others. That's all.
All people are good. Some are better than others. That's all.

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Old May 31st 2003, 9:01 am
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Magda
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On 31 May 2003 20:39:24 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, [email protected] (gatsby)
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :


... I've found that, when speaking with people from Europe regarding why the US
... entered WW2, most of them don't even know that Germany declared war on the US.
... They think that we entered the war to help our allies which is the truth. Sooo
... bringing up the old, worn out Germany declared war on us crap is just a
... favorite of liberals who don't want us helping anyone else. Most US libs don't
... like
... people of color and different ethnencicities, no matter what they think they
... believe. If we were involved in a war in western Europe they would be standing
... up and cheering.
...
... The Europeon allies themselves have forgotten why we enetered WW2.. Someone,
... a Dutchman, once asked me if the Europeons should be grateful forever. I
... answered "Of Course".

Cause toujours.
 
Old May 31st 2003, 9:20 am
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The Gypsy Baron S?Ndor
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gatsby wrote:

    >The Europeon allies themselves =A0 have
    > forgotten why we enetered WW2.. Someone,
    > a Dutchman, once asked me if the Europeons
    > should be grateful forever. I answered "Of
    > Course".

Grateful is one thing--demanding gratefulness is another.

If I see you drowning, of course, I'd rescue you. Then, does that mean
that my descendents would never have to work a day in their lives
anymore because your family's future generations would forever take care
of me and my descendents? :-)

Sandor
 
Old May 31st 2003, 9:42 am
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Hatunen
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On Sat, 31 May 2003 17:20:59 -0400 (EDT), [email protected]
(S?ndor, the Gypsy Baron) wrote:

    >gatsby wrote:
    >>The Europeon allies themselves =A0 have
    >> forgotten why we enetered WW2.. Someone,
    >> a Dutchman, once asked me if the Europeons
    >> should be grateful forever. I answered "Of
    >> Course".
    >Grateful is one thing--demanding gratefulness is another.
    >If I see you drowning, of course, I'd rescue you. Then, does that mean
    >that my descendents would never have to work a day in their lives
    >anymore because your family's future generations would forever take care
    >of me and my descendents? :-)

In some cultures the *rescuer* is obligated to take care of the
victim the rest of her/his life.


************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
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Old May 31st 2003, 9:42 am
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On Sat, 31 May 2003 19:40:52 GMT, Tony B wrote:

    >Mason Barge wrote:
    >> This isn't even a good troll. Germany did in fact have both a nuclear weapons
    >> program and a chemical weapons capability at the end of WW2.
    >WTF??? Hitler shot down the nuclear program, claiming it was "Jewish
    >physics". The chemical weapons they had then were not WMD. You've been
    >listening to the propaganda of the Democratic regime of Roosevelt.
    >Hitler wanted peace, just like Saddam.

Werner Heisenberg was indeed hounded by the Nazis for practicing Jewish physics,
largely I think because of Einstein. But he turned around when he realized that
the Jews could blow him up and committed considerable resources to developing an
A bomb.

Some funding but not all was pulled, largely for three reasons that I can think
of: 1) Heisenberg screwed up his calculations (he later decided he had done
this on purpose to sabotage the project but most people don't really believe
him) and was unsure if it was feasible, 2) allied harrassment forced Germany to
move heavy water production to Germany, whereupon a VERY bold Norwegian dude
sank the entire stockpile enroute by blowing up the ferry, 3) Hitler was in love
with the VI and V2 and rechanneled funds from A-bombs to rockets.
--
"If this is coffee, please bring me some tea. If this is tea, please bring me some coffee."
- Abraham Lincoln
 
Old May 31st 2003, 9:58 am
  #23  
Hatunen
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On Sat, 31 May 2003 22:49:04 GMT, Tony B
wrote:


    >Most of Europe is a joke when it comes to their military.

Given the past, some people would like to keep it that way.


************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
 
Old May 31st 2003, 10:25 am
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Tony
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"SÃ¥ndor, the Gypsy Baron" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
gatsby wrote:

    >The Europeon allies themselves have
    > forgotten why we enetered WW2.. Someone,
    > a Dutchman, once asked me if the Europeons
    > should be grateful forever. I answered "Of
    > Course".

Grateful is one thing--demanding gratefulness is another.

If I see you drowning, of course, I'd rescue you. Then, does that mean
that my descendents would never have to work a day in their lives
anymore because your family's future generations would forever take care
of me and my descendents? :-)

Sandor
 
Old May 31st 2003, 10:49 am
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Tony B
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"SÃ¥ndor, the Gypsy Baron" wrote:

    > Grateful is one thing--demanding gratefulness is another.
    >
    > If I see you drowning, of course, I'd rescue you. Then, does that mean
    > that my descendents would never have to work a day in their lives
    > anymore because your family's future generations would forever take care
    > of me and my descendents? :-)
    >
    > Sandor


You have it the opposite. The US saved the drowning person. The person
that drowned never learned to swim after that, knowing that the US would
always be there - learning new and better ways to swim. For that they
should always be grateful because they didn't have to spend the
resources on learning to swim.

Most of Europe is a joke when it comes to their military. Why? They know
the US will save their ass if they ever get in a war. For that,
gratefulness shouldn't have to be demanded, it should be given freely.
If the US ever demands gratefulness, it is no different than a hotel
demanding payment after you have stayed there and left without paying.
When people in Europe didn't want to support a war on terror, even when
it meant American blood would be spilled, they bit the hand that feeds
and protects them. America does not demand anything special, just
support the US when you are needed, as the US is ALWAYS there, silently,
in the background, protecting your way of life.
 
Old May 31st 2003, 10:51 am
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Tony B
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Saddam was further advanced in Nukes than Germany. So by saying we found
WMD in Germany after WW2, you are also saying we found WMD in Iraq.

Case closed. WMD has been found in Iraq.

The war was just becuase the world is now a better place.

The war is just to you because some lame excuse for war was proven true.
Get your priorities straight.

Mason Barge wrote:
    >
    > On Sat, 31 May 2003 19:40:52 GMT, Tony B wrote:
    >
    > >
    > >
    > >Mason Barge wrote:
    > >
    > >> This isn't even a good troll. Germany did in fact have both a nuclear weapons
    > >> program and a chemical weapons capability at the end of WW2.
    > >
    > >
    > >WTF??? Hitler shot down the nuclear program, claiming it was "Jewish
    > >physics". The chemical weapons they had then were not WMD. You've been
    > >listening to the propaganda of the Democratic regime of Roosevelt.
    > >Hitler wanted peace, just like Saddam.
    >
    > Werner Heisenberg was indeed hounded by the Nazis for practicing Jewish physics,
    > largely I think because of Einstein. But he turned around when he realized that
    > the Jews could blow him up and committed considerable resources to developing an
    > A bomb.
    >
    > Some funding but not all was pulled, largely for three reasons that I can think
    > of: 1) Heisenberg screwed up his calculations (he later decided he had done
    > this on purpose to sabotage the project but most people don't really believe
    > him) and was unsure if it was feasible, 2) allied harrassment forced Germany to
    > move heavy water production to Germany, whereupon a VERY bold Norwegian dude
    > sank the entire stockpile enroute by blowing up the ferry, 3) Hitler was in love
    > with the VI and V2 and rechanneled funds from A-bombs to rockets.
    > --
    > "If this is coffee, please bring me some tea. If this is tea, please bring me some coffee."
    > - Abraham Lincoln
 
Old May 31st 2003, 10:53 am
  #27  
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"Tony B" wrote in message
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    > You have it the opposite. The US saved the drowning person. The person
    > that drowned never learned to swim after that, knowing that the US would
    > always be there - learning new and better ways to swim. For that they
    > should always be grateful because they didn't have to spend the
    > resources on learning to swim.
    > Most of Europe is a joke when it comes to their military. Why? They know
    > the US will save their ass if they ever get in a war. For that,
    > gratefulness shouldn't have to be demanded, it should be given freely.
    > If the US ever demands gratefulness, it is no different than a hotel
    > demanding payment after you have stayed there and left without paying.
    > When people in Europe didn't want to support a war on terror, even when
    > it meant American blood would be spilled, they bit the hand that feeds
    > and protects them. America does not demand anything special, just
    > support the US when you are needed, as the US is ALWAYS there, silently,
    > in the background, protecting your way of life.



This sort of post is just making the Atlantic wider.
 
Old May 31st 2003, 11:22 am
  #28  
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    >Subject: Re: World War 2 was a failure!
    >From: [email protected] (S?ndor, the Gypsy Baron)
    >Date: 5/31/03 14:20 Pacific Daylight Time
    >Message-id:
    >gatsby wrote:
    >>The Europeon allies themselves =A0 have
    >> forgotten why we enetered WW2.. Someone,
    >> a Dutchman, once asked me if the Europeons
    >> should be grateful forever. I answered "Of
    >> Course".
    >Grateful is one thing--demanding gratefulness is another.
    >If I see you drowning, of course, I'd rescue you. Then, does that mean
    >that my descendents would never have to work a day in their lives
    >anymore because your family's future generations would forever take care
    >of me and my descendents? :-)
    >Sandor

Bad alliteration. Saving one person from drowning, especially with no harm to
yourself, is NO comparison to helping our allies save themselves from any more
torture and murder of 11,000,000 people for being simply being of a certain
religion, or for being "different"
From any more obliterating bombings of cities taking thousands of lives.
Preventing anymore G.I.'s of all nationalities from being slaughtered. Have
you ever seen movies of the D-Day invasion? Men were being cut down right and
left. These were real human beings; mostly US, British and Canadian troops.
These were not "Hollywood" treatments of the war. A guy who just saw his best
buddies die violent deaths will never forget. Neither should the Europeons
ever forget.

As I have said, in the case of the French especially, I hold the goverment
especially
Joke Chirac, responsible for the absolute hate of our government. Most of the
French people that I have met in my travels are fine and decent. The same
holds true for all Europeon countries that I have visited over the years.
The people are nice. The goverments are sissified socialists with superior
attitudes that are extremely undeserved.

Gary Nichols



--------------------------------------------------------------------------
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All countries are good. Some are better than others. That's all.
All people are good. Some are better than others. That's all.

Gary Nichols
 
Old May 31st 2003, 11:33 am
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Roger
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Why do you think they keep changing their nick?


"Casey" wrote in message
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    > "Tony B" wrote
    > > No WMD were ever found in Germany! This means we were wrong!
    > Will all of the ignorant losers like you please use some unique alias,
    > like "Dumbshit Tony", so we can insert it into our killfiles and never
    > have to read your ravings again? "bogenboom" is fine, just don't
    > ever change it.
    > Casey
 
Old May 31st 2003, 12:20 pm
  #30  
Dave Smith
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Tony B wrote:

    > Most of Europe is a joke when it comes to their military. Why? They know
    > the US will save their ass if they ever get in a war.

They know no such thing. They know from experience that the US in more
concerned about US interests than theirs, and they know from experience that
they US will sit back for along time until they are forced into action.
 


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