Why are so many rubbish countries being allowed into the EU?
Jul 31st 2005, 4:11 am
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Re: Why are so many rubbish countries being allowed into the EU?
On 31 Jul 2005 04:51:51 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>Martin wrote:
>> On 31 Jul 2005 04:09:43 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>> >
>> >Martin wrote:
>> >> On 31 Jul 2005 04:05:59 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >Padraig Breathnach wrote:
>> >> >> [email protected] wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >... Paying attention at school improves your mental ability.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> No it doesn't. It might improve performance, but it has no significant
>> >> >> effect on capacity.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >it allows you to get a better paying job ?
>> >>
>> >> Not necessarily, even a university degree doesn't guarantee that.
>> >there are no guarantee's (well death and taxes aside), i'm talking
>> >probability.
>> The probability in UK is that without a really good degree in the
>> right subject, the chances are that you won't earn a lot more than
>> somebody without a degree.
>I dont have a degree, but I make more than a shelf stacker ever will.
>> If you look at the self made really rich, few have a degree.
>I am not looking at the 1%, I am looking at low wage workers, the
>people Wolfgang was talking about.
>PS I have had the manual jobs you were talking about, I know which I
>prefer.
Try shoveling wet sand for 10 hours a day and then say it's easy.
--
Martin
>Martin wrote:
>> On 31 Jul 2005 04:09:43 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>> >
>> >Martin wrote:
>> >> On 31 Jul 2005 04:05:59 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >Padraig Breathnach wrote:
>> >> >> [email protected] wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >... Paying attention at school improves your mental ability.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> No it doesn't. It might improve performance, but it has no significant
>> >> >> effect on capacity.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >it allows you to get a better paying job ?
>> >>
>> >> Not necessarily, even a university degree doesn't guarantee that.
>> >there are no guarantee's (well death and taxes aside), i'm talking
>> >probability.
>> The probability in UK is that without a really good degree in the
>> right subject, the chances are that you won't earn a lot more than
>> somebody without a degree.
>I dont have a degree, but I make more than a shelf stacker ever will.
>> If you look at the self made really rich, few have a degree.
>I am not looking at the 1%, I am looking at low wage workers, the
>people Wolfgang was talking about.
>PS I have had the manual jobs you were talking about, I know which I
>prefer.
Try shoveling wet sand for 10 hours a day and then say it's easy.
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Martin
Jul 31st 2005, 4:17 am
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Re: Why are so many rubbish countries being allowed into the EU?
Martin wrote:
> On 31 Jul 2005 04:51:51 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
> >
> >Martin wrote:
> >> On 31 Jul 2005 04:09:43 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Martin wrote:
> >> >> On 31 Jul 2005 04:05:59 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Padraig Breathnach wrote:
> >> >> >> [email protected] wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >... Paying attention at school improves your mental ability.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> No it doesn't. It might improve performance, but it has no significant
> >> >> >> effect on capacity.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >it allows you to get a better paying job ?
> >> >>
> >> >> Not necessarily, even a university degree doesn't guarantee that.
> >>
> >> >there are no guarantee's (well death and taxes aside), i'm talking
> >> >probability.
> >>
> >> The probability in UK is that without a really good degree in the
> >> right subject, the chances are that you won't earn a lot more than
> >> somebody without a degree.
> >>
> >I dont have a degree, but I make more than a shelf stacker ever will.
> >
> >> If you look at the self made really rich, few have a degree.
> >
> >I am not looking at the 1%, I am looking at low wage workers, the
> >people Wolfgang was talking about.
> >
> >PS I have had the manual jobs you were talking about, I know which I
> >prefer.
> Try shoveling wet sand for 10 hours a day and then say it's easy.
> --
> Martin
this is where education helps.
> On 31 Jul 2005 04:51:51 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
> >
> >Martin wrote:
> >> On 31 Jul 2005 04:09:43 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Martin wrote:
> >> >> On 31 Jul 2005 04:05:59 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Padraig Breathnach wrote:
> >> >> >> [email protected] wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >... Paying attention at school improves your mental ability.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> No it doesn't. It might improve performance, but it has no significant
> >> >> >> effect on capacity.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >it allows you to get a better paying job ?
> >> >>
> >> >> Not necessarily, even a university degree doesn't guarantee that.
> >>
> >> >there are no guarantee's (well death and taxes aside), i'm talking
> >> >probability.
> >>
> >> The probability in UK is that without a really good degree in the
> >> right subject, the chances are that you won't earn a lot more than
> >> somebody without a degree.
> >>
> >I dont have a degree, but I make more than a shelf stacker ever will.
> >
> >> If you look at the self made really rich, few have a degree.
> >
> >I am not looking at the 1%, I am looking at low wage workers, the
> >people Wolfgang was talking about.
> >
> >PS I have had the manual jobs you were talking about, I know which I
> >prefer.
> Try shoveling wet sand for 10 hours a day and then say it's easy.
> --
> Martin
this is where education helps.
Jul 31st 2005, 10:16 am
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Re: Why are so many rubbish countries being allowed into the EU?
On 31 Jul 2005 09:17:14 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>Martin wrote:
>> On 31 Jul 2005 04:51:51 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>> >
>> >Martin wrote:
>> >> On 31 Jul 2005 04:09:43 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >Martin wrote:
>> >> >> On 31 Jul 2005 04:05:59 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Padraig Breathnach wrote:
>> >> >> >> [email protected] wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >... Paying attention at school improves your mental ability.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> No it doesn't. It might improve performance, but it has no significant
>> >> >> >> effect on capacity.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >it allows you to get a better paying job ?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Not necessarily, even a university degree doesn't guarantee that.
>> >>
>> >> >there are no guarantee's (well death and taxes aside), i'm talking
>> >> >probability.
>> >>
>> >> The probability in UK is that without a really good degree in the
>> >> right subject, the chances are that you won't earn a lot more than
>> >> somebody without a degree.
>> >>
>> >I dont have a degree, but I make more than a shelf stacker ever will.
>> >
>> >> If you look at the self made really rich, few have a degree.
>> >
>> >I am not looking at the 1%, I am looking at low wage workers, the
>> >people Wolfgang was talking about.
>> >
>> >PS I have had the manual jobs you were talking about, I know which I
>> >prefer.
>> Try shoveling wet sand for 10 hours a day and then say it's easy.
>this is where education helps.
:-)
--
Martin
>Martin wrote:
>> On 31 Jul 2005 04:51:51 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>> >
>> >Martin wrote:
>> >> On 31 Jul 2005 04:09:43 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >Martin wrote:
>> >> >> On 31 Jul 2005 04:05:59 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Padraig Breathnach wrote:
>> >> >> >> [email protected] wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >... Paying attention at school improves your mental ability.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> No it doesn't. It might improve performance, but it has no significant
>> >> >> >> effect on capacity.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >it allows you to get a better paying job ?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Not necessarily, even a university degree doesn't guarantee that.
>> >>
>> >> >there are no guarantee's (well death and taxes aside), i'm talking
>> >> >probability.
>> >>
>> >> The probability in UK is that without a really good degree in the
>> >> right subject, the chances are that you won't earn a lot more than
>> >> somebody without a degree.
>> >>
>> >I dont have a degree, but I make more than a shelf stacker ever will.
>> >
>> >> If you look at the self made really rich, few have a degree.
>> >
>> >I am not looking at the 1%, I am looking at low wage workers, the
>> >people Wolfgang was talking about.
>> >
>> >PS I have had the manual jobs you were talking about, I know which I
>> >prefer.
>> Try shoveling wet sand for 10 hours a day and then say it's easy.
>this is where education helps.
:-)
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Martin
Aug 2nd 2005, 12:10 am
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Re: Why are so many rubbish countries being allowed into the EU?
On 27 Jul 2005 14:30:18 +0100, Des Small <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Martin <[email protected]> writes:
>> On 27 Jul 2005 14:15:11 +0100, Des Small <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> I've seen and in some cases eaten döner
>> >kebaps in Oslo, Bergen, Berlin, Genoa, Madrid and ubiquitously in
>> >Britain. (A new kebab shop has just opened next door but one to me.)
>>
>> Unwelcome competition? :-)
>Not at all; a perfect synergy with the pub in between.
Hmm, surely it would be better if you could get the kebab shop and pub
to swap premises, then instead of having to go into the pub, to the
kebab shop and then back past the pub as you go home, it would all be
simpler...
Jim.
wrote:
>Martin <[email protected]> writes:
>> On 27 Jul 2005 14:15:11 +0100, Des Small <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> I've seen and in some cases eaten döner
>> >kebaps in Oslo, Bergen, Berlin, Genoa, Madrid and ubiquitously in
>> >Britain. (A new kebab shop has just opened next door but one to me.)
>>
>> Unwelcome competition? :-)
>Not at all; a perfect synergy with the pub in between.
Hmm, surely it would be better if you could get the kebab shop and pub
to swap premises, then instead of having to go into the pub, to the
kebab shop and then back past the pub as you go home, it would all be
simpler...
Jim.
Aug 2nd 2005, 12:10 am
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Re: Why are so many rubbish countries being allowed into the EU?
On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:51:19 +0100, The Reids
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to Padraig Breathnach
>>>It's a fact that capitalists take advantage of wage differences when
>>>they can, to the disadvantage of those who sell their work to make a
>>>living.
>>Agreed.
>so there is truth in the idea that enlargement may force down
>wages, same as globalisation, it seems obvious to me.
It may re-allocate wages so that they're more evenly spread out,
rather than lots of rich folk in a few countries having all the money
- a good thing!
Jim.
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to Padraig Breathnach
>>>It's a fact that capitalists take advantage of wage differences when
>>>they can, to the disadvantage of those who sell their work to make a
>>>living.
>>Agreed.
>so there is truth in the idea that enlargement may force down
>wages, same as globalisation, it seems obvious to me.
It may re-allocate wages so that they're more evenly spread out,
rather than lots of rich folk in a few countries having all the money
- a good thing!
Jim.
Aug 2nd 2005, 12:45 am
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Re: Why are so many rubbish countries being allowed into the EU?
[email protected] (Jim Ley) wrote:
>On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:51:19 +0100, The Reids
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>Following up to Padraig Breathnach
>>>>It's a fact that capitalists take advantage of wage differences when
>>>>they can, to the disadvantage of those who sell their work to make a
>>>>living.
>>>Agreed.
>>so there is truth in the idea that enlargement may force down
>>wages, same as globalisation, it seems obvious to me.
>It may re-allocate wages so that they're more evenly spread out,
>rather than lots of rich folk in a few countries having all the money
>- a good thing!
It would be a modest start. We would also have to work on
re-allocating profits and unearned income.
--
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>On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:51:19 +0100, The Reids
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>Following up to Padraig Breathnach
>>>>It's a fact that capitalists take advantage of wage differences when
>>>>they can, to the disadvantage of those who sell their work to make a
>>>>living.
>>>Agreed.
>>so there is truth in the idea that enlargement may force down
>>wages, same as globalisation, it seems obvious to me.
>It may re-allocate wages so that they're more evenly spread out,
>rather than lots of rich folk in a few countries having all the money
>- a good thing!
It would be a modest start. We would also have to work on
re-allocating profits and unearned income.
--
PB
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Aug 2nd 2005, 6:41 am
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Re: Why are so many rubbish countries being allowed into the EU?
On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:27:24 +0100, The Reids
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to Martin
>>>or rather than die, move to low wage, low benefit countries.
>>The local industry has died because the owners moved production to
>>third world countries.
>that's what I'm saying.
>>Sales by these companies have fallen because
>>they have destroyed their home market.
>Yep, I don't see how you can allow all the countries capital to
>go abroad and remain rich.f
Define "rich", why do you want Britain to remain rich and the 3rd
world countries to remain 3rd world, surely it would be better if
every country had similar opportunities and wages, that won't happen
if you insist on remaining rich here in the UK while the poor
countries are just a nice place to visit.
Jim.
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to Martin
>>>or rather than die, move to low wage, low benefit countries.
>>The local industry has died because the owners moved production to
>>third world countries.
>that's what I'm saying.
>>Sales by these companies have fallen because
>>they have destroyed their home market.
>Yep, I don't see how you can allow all the countries capital to
>go abroad and remain rich.f
Define "rich", why do you want Britain to remain rich and the 3rd
world countries to remain 3rd world, surely it would be better if
every country had similar opportunities and wages, that won't happen
if you insist on remaining rich here in the UK while the poor
countries are just a nice place to visit.
Jim.
Aug 2nd 2005, 6:42 am
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Re: Why are so many rubbish countries being allowed into the EU?
On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:50:34 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> One solution which appears to be unacceptable is to block cheap
>imports from third world countries.
Great idea, let's really screw the poor, after all they're all foriegn
right, probably muslim too, screw 'em, we need a bigger TV...
Jim.
> One solution which appears to be unacceptable is to block cheap
>imports from third world countries.
Great idea, let's really screw the poor, after all they're all foriegn
right, probably muslim too, screw 'em, we need a bigger TV...
Jim.
Aug 2nd 2005, 9:15 am
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Re: Why are so many rubbish countries being allowed into the EU?
On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 13:45:07 +0100, Padraig Breathnach
<[email protected]> wrote:
>[email protected] (Jim Ley) wrote:
>>On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:51:19 +0100, The Reids
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>Following up to Padraig Breathnach
>>>>>It's a fact that capitalists take advantage of wage differences when
>>>>>they can, to the disadvantage of those who sell their work to make a
>>>>>living.
>>>>Agreed.
>>>so there is truth in the idea that enlargement may force down
>>>wages, same as globalisation, it seems obvious to me.
>>It may re-allocate wages so that they're more evenly spread out,
>>rather than lots of rich folk in a few countries having all the money
>>- a good thing!
>It would be a modest start. We would also have to work on
>re-allocating profits and unearned income.
Then where is the motivation to work hard and accumulate wealth?
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>[email protected] (Jim Ley) wrote:
>>On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:51:19 +0100, The Reids
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>Following up to Padraig Breathnach
>>>>>It's a fact that capitalists take advantage of wage differences when
>>>>>they can, to the disadvantage of those who sell their work to make a
>>>>>living.
>>>>Agreed.
>>>so there is truth in the idea that enlargement may force down
>>>wages, same as globalisation, it seems obvious to me.
>>It may re-allocate wages so that they're more evenly spread out,
>>rather than lots of rich folk in a few countries having all the money
>>- a good thing!
>It would be a modest start. We would also have to work on
>re-allocating profits and unearned income.
Then where is the motivation to work hard and accumulate wealth?
--
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DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com
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Aug 2nd 2005, 9:18 am
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Re: Why are so many rubbish countries being allowed into the EU?
On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 18:42:17 GMT, [email protected] (Jim Ley) wrote:
>On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:50:34 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> One solution which appears to be unacceptable is to block cheap
>>imports from third world countries.
>Great idea, let's really screw the poor, after all they're all foriegn
>right, probably muslim too, screw 'em, we need a bigger TV...
If you want to give up your standard of living to microscopically
improve the lives of 100 Indians, be my guest. Frankly, I would prefer
to live with the guilt.
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>On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:50:34 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> One solution which appears to be unacceptable is to block cheap
>>imports from third world countries.
>Great idea, let's really screw the poor, after all they're all foriegn
>right, probably muslim too, screw 'em, we need a bigger TV...
If you want to give up your standard of living to microscopically
improve the lives of 100 Indians, be my guest. Frankly, I would prefer
to live with the guilt.
--
---
DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com
---
--
Aug 2nd 2005, 9:25 am
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Re: Why are so many rubbish countries being allowed into the EU?
DDT Filled Mormons <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>>>It may re-allocate wages so that they're more evenly spread out,
>>>rather than lots of rich folk in a few countries having all the money
>>>- a good thing!
>>It would be a modest start. We would also have to work on
>>re-allocating profits and unearned income.
>
> Then where is the motivation to work hard and accumulate wealth?
If that's not a problem with wages, why should it be with profits?
--
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http://www.wschwanke.de/ usenet_20031215 (AT) wschwanke (DOT) de
news:[email protected]:
>>>It may re-allocate wages so that they're more evenly spread out,
>>>rather than lots of rich folk in a few countries having all the money
>>>- a good thing!
>>It would be a modest start. We would also have to work on
>>re-allocating profits and unearned income.
>
> Then where is the motivation to work hard and accumulate wealth?
If that's not a problem with wages, why should it be with profits?
--
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Aug 2nd 2005, 9:27 am
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Re: Why are so many rubbish countries being allowed into the EU?
On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 21:18:14 GMT, DDT Filled Mormons
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 18:42:17 GMT, [email protected] (Jim Ley) wrote:
>>On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:50:34 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> One solution which appears to be unacceptable is to block cheap
>>>imports from third world countries.
>>Great idea, let's really screw the poor, after all they're all foriegn
>>right, probably muslim too, screw 'em, we need a bigger TV...
>If you want to give up your standard of living to microscopically
>improve the lives of 100 Indians, be my guest. Frankly, I would prefer
>to live with the guilt.
Well I'm glad you're prepared to admit that's it's pure selfishness
that's guiding your opposition.
Of course I don't believe that the result is what you say, just like
it wasn't the result when global trade bloomed amoung the current
first world.
If it is though, and it's perfectly reasonable, I certainly won't mind
and while I may not have any compassion for those 90yr old widows in
their large houses, I do care about people in 3rd world countries
willing, but not particularly able to work through protectionism
demanded by other rich folk here in the 1st world.
Jim.
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 18:42:17 GMT, [email protected] (Jim Ley) wrote:
>>On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:50:34 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> One solution which appears to be unacceptable is to block cheap
>>>imports from third world countries.
>>Great idea, let's really screw the poor, after all they're all foriegn
>>right, probably muslim too, screw 'em, we need a bigger TV...
>If you want to give up your standard of living to microscopically
>improve the lives of 100 Indians, be my guest. Frankly, I would prefer
>to live with the guilt.
Well I'm glad you're prepared to admit that's it's pure selfishness
that's guiding your opposition.
Of course I don't believe that the result is what you say, just like
it wasn't the result when global trade bloomed amoung the current
first world.
If it is though, and it's perfectly reasonable, I certainly won't mind
and while I may not have any compassion for those 90yr old widows in
their large houses, I do care about people in 3rd world countries
willing, but not particularly able to work through protectionism
demanded by other rich folk here in the 1st world.
Jim.
Aug 2nd 2005, 9:40 am
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Re: Why are so many rubbish countries being allowed into the EU?
On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 21:15:44 GMT, DDT Filled Mormons
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 13:45:07 +0100, Padraig Breathnach
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>[email protected] (Jim Ley) wrote:
>>>On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:51:19 +0100, The Reids
>>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>Following up to Padraig Breathnach
>>>>>>It's a fact that capitalists take advantage of wage differences when
>>>>>>they can, to the disadvantage of those who sell their work to make a
>>>>>>living.
>>>>>Agreed.
>>>>so there is truth in the idea that enlargement may force down
>>>>wages, same as globalisation, it seems obvious to me.
>>>It may re-allocate wages so that they're more evenly spread out,
>>>rather than lots of rich folk in a few countries having all the money
>>>- a good thing!
>>It would be a modest start. We would also have to work on
>>re-allocating profits and unearned income.
>Then where is the motivation to work hard and accumulate wealth?
VW had a solution.
--
Martin
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 13:45:07 +0100, Padraig Breathnach
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>[email protected] (Jim Ley) wrote:
>>>On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:51:19 +0100, The Reids
>>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>Following up to Padraig Breathnach
>>>>>>It's a fact that capitalists take advantage of wage differences when
>>>>>>they can, to the disadvantage of those who sell their work to make a
>>>>>>living.
>>>>>Agreed.
>>>>so there is truth in the idea that enlargement may force down
>>>>wages, same as globalisation, it seems obvious to me.
>>>It may re-allocate wages so that they're more evenly spread out,
>>>rather than lots of rich folk in a few countries having all the money
>>>- a good thing!
>>It would be a modest start. We would also have to work on
>>re-allocating profits and unearned income.
>Then where is the motivation to work hard and accumulate wealth?
VW had a solution.
--
Martin
Aug 2nd 2005, 10:06 am
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Re: Why are so many rubbish countries being allowed into the EU?
DDT Filled Mormons <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 13:45:07 +0100, Padraig Breathnach
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>[email protected] (Jim Ley) wrote:
>>>On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:51:19 +0100, The Reids
>>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>Following up to Padraig Breathnach
>>>>>>It's a fact that capitalists take advantage of wage differences when
>>>>>>they can, to the disadvantage of those who sell their work to make a
>>>>>>living.
>>>>>Agreed.
>>>>so there is truth in the idea that enlargement may force down
>>>>wages, same as globalisation, it seems obvious to me.
>>>It may re-allocate wages so that they're more evenly spread out,
>>>rather than lots of rich folk in a few countries having all the money
>>>- a good thing!
>>It would be a modest start. We would also have to work on
>>re-allocating profits and unearned income.
>Then where is the motivation to work hard and accumulate wealth?
It's a funny thing: cut the pay levels of those on low incomes, and
they are incentivised to work harder; cut the pay levels of those on
high incomes, and they are disincetivised.
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>On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 13:45:07 +0100, Padraig Breathnach
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>[email protected] (Jim Ley) wrote:
>>>On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:51:19 +0100, The Reids
>>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>Following up to Padraig Breathnach
>>>>>>It's a fact that capitalists take advantage of wage differences when
>>>>>>they can, to the disadvantage of those who sell their work to make a
>>>>>>living.
>>>>>Agreed.
>>>>so there is truth in the idea that enlargement may force down
>>>>wages, same as globalisation, it seems obvious to me.
>>>It may re-allocate wages so that they're more evenly spread out,
>>>rather than lots of rich folk in a few countries having all the money
>>>- a good thing!
>>It would be a modest start. We would also have to work on
>>re-allocating profits and unearned income.
>Then where is the motivation to work hard and accumulate wealth?
It's a funny thing: cut the pay levels of those on low incomes, and
they are incentivised to work harder; cut the pay levels of those on
high incomes, and they are disincetivised.
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Re: Why are so many rubbish countries being allowed into the EU?
On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 23:06:53 +0100, Padraig Breathnach
<[email protected]> wrote:
>DDT Filled Mormons <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>>On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 13:45:07 +0100, Padraig Breathnach
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>[email protected] (Jim Ley) wrote:
>>>>On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:51:19 +0100, The Reids
>>>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>Following up to Padraig Breathnach
>>>>>>>It's a fact that capitalists take advantage of wage differences when
>>>>>>>they can, to the disadvantage of those who sell their work to make a
>>>>>>>living.
>>>>>>Agreed.
>>>>>so there is truth in the idea that enlargement may force down
>>>>>wages, same as globalisation, it seems obvious to me.
>>>>It may re-allocate wages so that they're more evenly spread out,
>>>>rather than lots of rich folk in a few countries having all the money
>>>>- a good thing!
>>>It would be a modest start. We would also have to work on
>>>re-allocating profits and unearned income.
>>Then where is the motivation to work hard and accumulate wealth?
>It's a funny thing: cut the pay levels of those on low incomes, and
>they are incentivised to work harder; cut the pay levels of those on
>high incomes, and they are disincetivised.
But those with middle range incomes (who are plentiful with lots of
money, and are very productive) are more incentivised.
I can do nothing more that point to the success of the shitty country
called the USA for an example of how it can succeed.
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>DDT Filled Mormons <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>>On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 13:45:07 +0100, Padraig Breathnach
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>[email protected] (Jim Ley) wrote:
>>>>On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:51:19 +0100, The Reids
>>>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>Following up to Padraig Breathnach
>>>>>>>It's a fact that capitalists take advantage of wage differences when
>>>>>>>they can, to the disadvantage of those who sell their work to make a
>>>>>>>living.
>>>>>>Agreed.
>>>>>so there is truth in the idea that enlargement may force down
>>>>>wages, same as globalisation, it seems obvious to me.
>>>>It may re-allocate wages so that they're more evenly spread out,
>>>>rather than lots of rich folk in a few countries having all the money
>>>>- a good thing!
>>>It would be a modest start. We would also have to work on
>>>re-allocating profits and unearned income.
>>Then where is the motivation to work hard and accumulate wealth?
>It's a funny thing: cut the pay levels of those on low incomes, and
>they are incentivised to work harder; cut the pay levels of those on
>high incomes, and they are disincetivised.
But those with middle range incomes (who are plentiful with lots of
money, and are very productive) are more incentivised.
I can do nothing more that point to the success of the shitty country
called the USA for an example of how it can succeed.
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