Nitram

On Wed, 18 May 2005 18:19:14 +0200, The Rev Gaston <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >On 2005-05-18 05:48:25 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]> said:
    >> The Reids writes:
    >>
    >>> those regulars who respond to you don't seem stressed.
    >>
    >> They are, in a way, otherwise they would not be driven to respond.
    >> Personal attacks are a form of stress relief.
    >Maybe they are, but not necessarily by you. I kick the cat as a form of
    >stress relief, but it's not the cat that made me stressed.

It's Miasma's nice legs?

Mxsmanic

Deep Foiled Malls writes:

    > As I have seen many people merely irritated by you, and none stating
    > that you have helped them, I am inclined to believe the latter do not
    > exist.

OK

    > Can you prove me wrong?

Not easily. Is there some reason why I must or should?

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Mxsmanic

nitram writes:

    > Your claim is incredible, because there is zero evidence to support
    > your claim.

OK

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Mxsmanic

Deep Foiled Malls writes:

    > But you said you do. That is the whole basis of you being on usenet -
    > to help people learn.

Yes, in general. That doesn't mean that I specifically care whether you
learn or not.

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Mxsmanic

Deep Foiled Malls writes:

    > Are you stressed when you respond?

No.

    > Do personal attacks only exist when one is stressed?

Yes. They make no logical sense so there is no reason to resort to them
otherwise.

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Mxsmanic

nitram writes:

    > Time for you to visit Notre Dame on a hot day.

Visit Notre-Dame at the end of a hot month. I observed this in 2003.

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Mxsmanic

B Vaughan writes:

    > That's ridiculous. Try going in to a medieval cathedral at midday in
    > the heat of summer.

It only feels cool because the nighttime temperature is much lower.
When it's hot 24 hours a day, the building will rapidly warm and
eventually it will be just as hot inside as it is outside. The
temperature will always be higher than the lowest daily temperatures
encountered in any case, so if the lowest daily temperature is 36° C,
the cathedral will rapidly rise to 36° C inside.

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Mxsmanic

Terry Richards writes:

    > The exterior temperature isn't 30° all of the time.

It is during hot weather. This was one of the characteristics of the
European heat wave of 2003. The temperature did not drop significantly
at night, and everything heated up, cathedrals included.

    > The trick is to remove
    > the heat while the outside is cooler and prevent it getting back in while it
    > is warmer.

But if it never gets cooler outside, this doesn't work.

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nitram writes:

    > What increased the internal temperature to 30 DegC?

The rise in external temperature.

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[email protected] writes:

    > Consider the following simple case: take an object at temperature T1.
    > Place it in a bath at temperature T2 != T1. At what time will the
    > object attain temperature T2 ?

It's not T2, it's T3, where T2 > T3 > T1.

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nitram writes:

    > Time for you to visit Notre Dame on a hot day.

I have, and after a series of hot days and nights, it gets very warm
inside cathedrals.

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Deep Foiled Malls writes:

    > What about putting the houses underground as they do in some parts of
    > the world?

The same problem exists. If the outside temperature is conistently
high, the houses will become hot, underground or not.

Passive methods like this only slow the changes in home temperature in
reponse to changes in exterior temperatures, but homes will always
approach mean temperatures over time, and when the mean temperature is
high, the homes will become hot without active cooling.

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The Rev Gaston

On 2005-05-19 06:53:57 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]> said:

    > [email protected] writes:
    >
    >> Consider the following simple case: take an object at temperature T1.
    >> Place it in a bath at temperature T2 != T1. At what time will the
    >> object attain temperature T2 ?
    >
    > It's not T2, it's T3, where T2 > T3 > T1.

Indeed, which contradicts your earlier assertion.

G;

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"Mxsmanic" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    >B Vaughan writes:
    >> That's ridiculous. Try going in to a medieval cathedral at midday in
    >> the heat of summer.
    > It only feels cool because the nighttime temperature is much lower.
    > When it's hot 24 hours a day, the building will rapidly warm and
    > eventually it will be just as hot inside as it is outside. The
    > temperature will always be higher than the lowest daily temperatures
    > encountered in any case, so if the lowest daily temperature is 36° C,
    > the cathedral will rapidly rise to 36° C inside.

I dont think there are any plans to move Notre Dame
to an equatorial location any time soon.

Keith

Keith W

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    > Deep Foiled Malls writes:
    >> What about putting the houses underground as they do in some parts of
    >> the world?
    > The same problem exists. If the outside temperature is conistently
    > high, the houses will become hot, underground or not.

The good people of Coober Pedy will tell you in good Strine
that you are full of shit.

You see they live in just such houses which remain cool
despite summertime temperatures which rise into the 50's

Right now its the middle of winter and only 10 C yet
the homes stay at a comfortable 25C all year round without
AC or heating

http://www.cooberpedyexperience.com.au/

Keith