Why do Europeans Oppose Window Screens?
May 3rd 2005, 2:37 pm
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[email protected] (Tom Peel) wrote in
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> Now, the question is: why do Americans oppose the Kippdrehfenster?
> Not only do they not exist, there is not even a word in the English
> language to describe them AFAIF. The Kippdrehfenster is a double
> glazed window that can be either opened along the vertical hinge,
> like a door, or a along a hinge at the bottom, to tilt.
You mean like these?
http://homeowner.marvin.com/products...1D9EAD13661B2F
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Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | [email protected]
news:[email protected]:
> Now, the question is: why do Americans oppose the Kippdrehfenster?
> Not only do they not exist, there is not even a word in the English
> language to describe them AFAIF. The Kippdrehfenster is a double
> glazed window that can be either opened along the vertical hinge,
> like a door, or a along a hinge at the bottom, to tilt.
You mean like these?
http://homeowner.marvin.com/products...1D9EAD13661B2F
--
Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | [email protected]
May 3rd 2005, 2:42 pm
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Re: Why do Europeans Oppose Window Screens?
On Tue, 03 May 2005 16:10:42 +0200, nitram <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On Tue, 03 May 2005 23:56:25 +1000, Alan S <[email protected]> wrote:
>>As an aside, some other time I'll post a story on bugs in
>>Darwin. You call that a bug?...
>"You can't play tennis in Wogga Wogga, the flies are bigger than the
>ball" Italian friend after holiday in Oz.
Wagga: Crow
Wagga Wagga: place of many crows - and magpies, and flies,
and goannas, and yabbies, and happy memories of my Primary
School days ten miles out of town at Forest Hill.
Wog has other meanings here that your Italian friend would
not have appreciated. Similar to guinea in the USA, but
usually used as a friendly term of abuse these days.
Cheers, Alan, Australia
wrote:
>On Tue, 03 May 2005 23:56:25 +1000, Alan S <[email protected]> wrote:
>>As an aside, some other time I'll post a story on bugs in
>>Darwin. You call that a bug?...
>"You can't play tennis in Wogga Wogga, the flies are bigger than the
>ball" Italian friend after holiday in Oz.
Wagga: Crow
Wagga Wagga: place of many crows - and magpies, and flies,
and goannas, and yabbies, and happy memories of my Primary
School days ten miles out of town at Forest Hill.
Wog has other meanings here that your Italian friend would
not have appreciated. Similar to guinea in the USA, but
usually used as a friendly term of abuse these days.
Cheers, Alan, Australia
May 3rd 2005, 2:43 pm
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Re: Why do Europeans Oppose Window Screens?
On Tue, 03 May 2005 15:28:27 +0200, nitram wrote:
> On Tue, 03 May 2005 15:08:21 +0200, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On 2 May 2005 22:38:50 -0700, "george" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>Kevin wrote:
>>><Windows screens are similar to a filter that blocks insects from
>>>flying in
>>>through the windws, yet allows vision outside and breeze inside.
>>>Considering how many European hotels lack air conditioning, window
>>>screens
>>>would be useful in controlling mosquitoes access to sleeping quarters
>>>without the guests stifling to death due to lack of air circulation.
>>I can't speak for all Europe, but I can give a little perspective on
>>my particular corner of Italy.
>>First, screens are ugly and would probably not be allowed in the
>>historical center of my town for aesthetic reasons: the only window
>>fixtures allowed, other than the glass, are the traditional wooden
>>shutters, painted green. Outside the historical center, the rules are
>>much more flexible, but screens are still perceived as ugly.
>
> The screens are on the inside of the house and are not visible from
> outside.
Not here. In places where wooden shutters are traditional (eg, Southern
Germany, Austria and northern Italy at least) windows tend to open
inwards. So in these places flyscreens are on the outside.
Anyway, have you seen the price of the things? Daylight robbery, guv!
--
Tim C.
> On Tue, 03 May 2005 15:08:21 +0200, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On 2 May 2005 22:38:50 -0700, "george" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>Kevin wrote:
>>><Windows screens are similar to a filter that blocks insects from
>>>flying in
>>>through the windws, yet allows vision outside and breeze inside.
>>>Considering how many European hotels lack air conditioning, window
>>>screens
>>>would be useful in controlling mosquitoes access to sleeping quarters
>>>without the guests stifling to death due to lack of air circulation.
>>I can't speak for all Europe, but I can give a little perspective on
>>my particular corner of Italy.
>>First, screens are ugly and would probably not be allowed in the
>>historical center of my town for aesthetic reasons: the only window
>>fixtures allowed, other than the glass, are the traditional wooden
>>shutters, painted green. Outside the historical center, the rules are
>>much more flexible, but screens are still perceived as ugly.
>
> The screens are on the inside of the house and are not visible from
> outside.
Not here. In places where wooden shutters are traditional (eg, Southern
Germany, Austria and northern Italy at least) windows tend to open
inwards. So in these places flyscreens are on the outside.
Anyway, have you seen the price of the things? Daylight robbery, guv!
--
Tim C.
May 3rd 2005, 2:46 pm
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Re: Why do Europeans Oppose Window Screens?
On Tue, 03 May 2005 16:15:06 +0200, nitram wrote:
> On Tue, 03 May 2005 16:09:55 +0200, Tom Peel
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Now, the question is: why do Americans oppose the Kippdrehfenster?
>>Not only do they not exist, there is not even a word in the English
>>language to describe them AFAIF. The Kippdrehfenster is a double glazed
>>window that can be either opened along the vertical hinge, like a door,
>>or a along a hinge at the bottom, to tilt.
>
> Did you ever get one in the intermediate position, where the whole
> window tries to fall out?
Too often. :-)
--
Tim C.
> On Tue, 03 May 2005 16:09:55 +0200, Tom Peel
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Now, the question is: why do Americans oppose the Kippdrehfenster?
>>Not only do they not exist, there is not even a word in the English
>>language to describe them AFAIF. The Kippdrehfenster is a double glazed
>>window that can be either opened along the vertical hinge, like a door,
>>or a along a hinge at the bottom, to tilt.
>
> Did you ever get one in the intermediate position, where the whole
> window tries to fall out?
Too often. :-)
--
Tim C.
May 3rd 2005, 2:46 pm
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> Now, the question is: why do Americans oppose the Kippdrehfenster?
Because it is impossible to use screens with them. Most Americans
do not want flies, mosquitos, or moths inside the house.
As I understand it, this window tilts in at the top or swings like a door
outwards. If the window were designed to tilt in at the top or swing
like a door *inward*, then a screen might be used on the outside.
> Not only do they not exist, there is not even a word in the English
> language to describe them AFAIF.
Marvin Windows refers to them as Tilt Turn windows. See it at
http://homeowner.marvin.com/products...1D9EAD13661B2F
It appears that Marvin designed them to open inwards, both tilting in
and swinging in, so a screen could be used with them unless the hinges
allowing tilting get in the way. Marvin's website shows an option for an
interior screen, but that is impossible given Marvin's configuration
(perhaps the screen is actually exterior). I saw the original European
design in another American window manufacturer's catalog, but I
cannot remember their name right now.
Pete
Because it is impossible to use screens with them. Most Americans
do not want flies, mosquitos, or moths inside the house.
As I understand it, this window tilts in at the top or swings like a door
outwards. If the window were designed to tilt in at the top or swing
like a door *inward*, then a screen might be used on the outside.
> Not only do they not exist, there is not even a word in the English
> language to describe them AFAIF.
Marvin Windows refers to them as Tilt Turn windows. See it at
http://homeowner.marvin.com/products...1D9EAD13661B2F
It appears that Marvin designed them to open inwards, both tilting in
and swinging in, so a screen could be used with them unless the hinges
allowing tilting get in the way. Marvin's website shows an option for an
interior screen, but that is impossible given Marvin's configuration
(perhaps the screen is actually exterior). I saw the original European
design in another American window manufacturer's catalog, but I
cannot remember their name right now.
Pete
May 3rd 2005, 2:49 pm
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Tom Peel wrote:
> Personally I cannot stand those rolldown blinds. It makes me feel like
> sleeping in a prison, even though 99% of German houses have them. When
> we built our house, we amazed the neighbours by not having any.
It's already a certain sign of a diseased mind if the rolldown blinds
are not electrified :-) When I just rented a new house in Munich
suburbia, the real estate agent mentioned several times that the blinds
are equipped with wireless remote control as well as time switch in any
room. I didn't dare to tell him that I will never, never close them.
> Now, the question is: why do Americans oppose the Kippdrehfenster?
> Not only do they not exist, there is not even a word in the English
> language to describe them AFAIF.
Try the more common expression Drehkippfenster (Google 15:14.100). The
very helpful book "Bautechnisches Englisch im Bild - Illustrated
Technical German for Builders" by Wilhelm K. Killer (ISBN 3762514771)
lists "tilt and turn window" for it.
Jens
> Personally I cannot stand those rolldown blinds. It makes me feel like
> sleeping in a prison, even though 99% of German houses have them. When
> we built our house, we amazed the neighbours by not having any.
It's already a certain sign of a diseased mind if the rolldown blinds
are not electrified :-) When I just rented a new house in Munich
suburbia, the real estate agent mentioned several times that the blinds
are equipped with wireless remote control as well as time switch in any
room. I didn't dare to tell him that I will never, never close them.
> Now, the question is: why do Americans oppose the Kippdrehfenster?
> Not only do they not exist, there is not even a word in the English
> language to describe them AFAIF.
Try the more common expression Drehkippfenster (Google 15:14.100). The
very helpful book "Bautechnisches Englisch im Bild - Illustrated
Technical German for Builders" by Wilhelm K. Killer (ISBN 3762514771)
lists "tilt and turn window" for it.
Jens
May 3rd 2005, 2:50 pm
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B Vaughan wrote:
> On 2 May 2005 22:38:50 -0700, "george" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>Kevin wrote:
>><Windows screens are similar to a filter that blocks insects from
>>flying in
>>through the windws, yet allows vision outside and breeze inside.
>>Considering how many European hotels lack air conditioning, window
>>screens
>>would be useful in controlling mosquitoes access to sleeping quarters
>>without the guests stifling to death due to lack of air circulation.
>
>
> I can't speak for all Europe, but I can give a little perspective on
> my particular corner of Italy.
>
> First, screens are ugly and would probably not be allowed in the
> historical center of my town for aesthetic reasons: the only window
> fixtures allowed, other than the glass, are the traditional wooden
> shutters, painted green. Outside the historical center, the rules are
> much more flexible, but screens are still perceived as ugly.
>
> Second, screens do impede the circulation of air. You get a much
> better breeze without them. During the day, all our windows and the
> door to our terrace are open wide, and I love the airiness and also
> the unimpeded views of the countryside and the Apennine range.
>
> Third, many Italians wouldn't dream of sleeping with the windows open,
> as the night air is considered dangerous to the health. The first year
> I was in Italy, I couldn't believe my husband really intended to sleep
> all summer with the windows shut tight. I couldn't convince him that
> we wouldn't die of pneumonia if we opened the windows. He would leave
> the windows open during the day and evening, when no one was in the
> bedroom and no lights were on. In these circumstances, the mosquitoes
> stayed outside. Our windows have a sort of heavy metal shutter,
> called a "seranda", that has some little holes in it. At bedtime, he
> would close this heavy shutter, which pretty much kept mosquitoes out,
> but also kept that dangerous drafty air out. If the temperature was
> below about 85 degrees, he kept both the shutters and the windows
> closed. I often slept on the terrace to get a bit of air.There were
> maybe two nights that year that it was so hot that even he wanted to
> open both the windows and the shutters. On those nights, he just
> didn't turn on a light in the bedroom as a way of discouraging
> mosquitoes.
>
> The summer of 2003 was so unusually hot that even my husband felt the
> need of overnight air most nights. So he bought a sort of screen for
> the bedroom, that you can pull up and down like a shade. I ordered one
> also for my little office. My husband asked his son, who lives in the
> US, but spends a good part of the summer in Italy, if he also wanted a
> screen in his bedroom, but his son said he didn't. That shows that
> sceens are not a big priority for Italians. However, that may be
> changing, as I see a lot more of them for sale now. I also see more
> air conditioners for sale. Unless it gets a lot hotter, I wouldn't
> want that.
>
The analysis would make more sense if Italians didn't use those ugly
rope curtains instead of screen doors. Esthetics doesn't appear to be
part of the decision. Now conflicts over open windows I can relate to.
I have seen both extremes (open in snow to closed in extreme heat).
I did notice that the villa we stayed at outside Florence had screens
under the guard bars. They did ruin my attempts to take pictures from
the windows but I doubt that picture taking often enters into the decision.
> On 2 May 2005 22:38:50 -0700, "george" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>Kevin wrote:
>><Windows screens are similar to a filter that blocks insects from
>>flying in
>>through the windws, yet allows vision outside and breeze inside.
>>Considering how many European hotels lack air conditioning, window
>>screens
>>would be useful in controlling mosquitoes access to sleeping quarters
>>without the guests stifling to death due to lack of air circulation.
>
>
> I can't speak for all Europe, but I can give a little perspective on
> my particular corner of Italy.
>
> First, screens are ugly and would probably not be allowed in the
> historical center of my town for aesthetic reasons: the only window
> fixtures allowed, other than the glass, are the traditional wooden
> shutters, painted green. Outside the historical center, the rules are
> much more flexible, but screens are still perceived as ugly.
>
> Second, screens do impede the circulation of air. You get a much
> better breeze without them. During the day, all our windows and the
> door to our terrace are open wide, and I love the airiness and also
> the unimpeded views of the countryside and the Apennine range.
>
> Third, many Italians wouldn't dream of sleeping with the windows open,
> as the night air is considered dangerous to the health. The first year
> I was in Italy, I couldn't believe my husband really intended to sleep
> all summer with the windows shut tight. I couldn't convince him that
> we wouldn't die of pneumonia if we opened the windows. He would leave
> the windows open during the day and evening, when no one was in the
> bedroom and no lights were on. In these circumstances, the mosquitoes
> stayed outside. Our windows have a sort of heavy metal shutter,
> called a "seranda", that has some little holes in it. At bedtime, he
> would close this heavy shutter, which pretty much kept mosquitoes out,
> but also kept that dangerous drafty air out. If the temperature was
> below about 85 degrees, he kept both the shutters and the windows
> closed. I often slept on the terrace to get a bit of air.There were
> maybe two nights that year that it was so hot that even he wanted to
> open both the windows and the shutters. On those nights, he just
> didn't turn on a light in the bedroom as a way of discouraging
> mosquitoes.
>
> The summer of 2003 was so unusually hot that even my husband felt the
> need of overnight air most nights. So he bought a sort of screen for
> the bedroom, that you can pull up and down like a shade. I ordered one
> also for my little office. My husband asked his son, who lives in the
> US, but spends a good part of the summer in Italy, if he also wanted a
> screen in his bedroom, but his son said he didn't. That shows that
> sceens are not a big priority for Italians. However, that may be
> changing, as I see a lot more of them for sale now. I also see more
> air conditioners for sale. Unless it gets a lot hotter, I wouldn't
> want that.
>
The analysis would make more sense if Italians didn't use those ugly
rope curtains instead of screen doors. Esthetics doesn't appear to be
part of the decision. Now conflicts over open windows I can relate to.
I have seen both extremes (open in snow to closed in extreme heat).
I did notice that the villa we stayed at outside Florence had screens
under the guard bars. They did ruin my attempts to take pictures from
the windows but I doubt that picture taking often enters into the decision.
May 3rd 2005, 2:54 pm
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On Wed, 04 May 2005 00:42:34 +1000, Alan S <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Tue, 03 May 2005 16:10:42 +0200, nitram <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>>On Tue, 03 May 2005 23:56:25 +1000, Alan S <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>As an aside, some other time I'll post a story on bugs in
>>>Darwin. You call that a bug?...
>>"You can't play tennis in Wogga Wogga, the flies are bigger than the
>>ball" Italian friend after holiday in Oz.
>Wagga: Crow
Monty Python again :-(((
http://www.forbes.com/foodwithwine/2..._0406feat.html
"The situation was so bad that in the early 1970s the Monty Python
comedy troupe could mock such imagined Australian offerings as
"Château Bottled Nuit San Wogga Wogga, which has a bouquet like an
aborigine's armpit" and "Melbourne Old-and-Yellow, which is
particularly heavy and should be used only for hand-to-hand combat"
without fear of contradiction."
and Hancock's Half Hour
http://www.britishcomedy.org.uk/comedy/hancock.htm
>Wagga Wagga: place of many crows - and magpies, and flies,
>and goannas, and yabbies, and happy memories of my Primary
>School days ten miles out of town at Forest Hill.
I can see this is leading to discovering that you know the wife of the
Italian, Jennifer.
>Wog has other meanings here that your Italian friend would
>not have appreciated.
Wop???
>On Tue, 03 May 2005 16:10:42 +0200, nitram <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>>On Tue, 03 May 2005 23:56:25 +1000, Alan S <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>As an aside, some other time I'll post a story on bugs in
>>>Darwin. You call that a bug?...
>>"You can't play tennis in Wogga Wogga, the flies are bigger than the
>>ball" Italian friend after holiday in Oz.
>Wagga: Crow
Monty Python again :-(((
http://www.forbes.com/foodwithwine/2..._0406feat.html
"The situation was so bad that in the early 1970s the Monty Python
comedy troupe could mock such imagined Australian offerings as
"Château Bottled Nuit San Wogga Wogga, which has a bouquet like an
aborigine's armpit" and "Melbourne Old-and-Yellow, which is
particularly heavy and should be used only for hand-to-hand combat"
without fear of contradiction."
and Hancock's Half Hour
http://www.britishcomedy.org.uk/comedy/hancock.htm
>Wagga Wagga: place of many crows - and magpies, and flies,
>and goannas, and yabbies, and happy memories of my Primary
>School days ten miles out of town at Forest Hill.
I can see this is leading to discovering that you know the wife of the
Italian, Jennifer.
>Wog has other meanings here that your Italian friend would
>not have appreciated.
Wop???
May 3rd 2005, 2:57 pm
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On Tue, 3 May 2005 16:46:37 +0200, Tim Challenger
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Tue, 03 May 2005 16:15:06 +0200, nitram wrote:
>> On Tue, 03 May 2005 16:09:55 +0200, Tom Peel
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>Now, the question is: why do Americans oppose the Kippdrehfenster?
>>>Not only do they not exist, there is not even a word in the English
>>>language to describe them AFAIF. The Kippdrehfenster is a double glazed
>>>window that can be either opened along the vertical hinge, like a door,
>>>or a along a hinge at the bottom, to tilt.
>>
>> Did you ever get one in the intermediate position, where the whole
>> window tries to fall out?
>Too often. :-)
Not when you were pissed in a hotel room 3 floors up after diverting
to a beer festival, whilst on the way to the Salzburg Festival.
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Tue, 03 May 2005 16:15:06 +0200, nitram wrote:
>> On Tue, 03 May 2005 16:09:55 +0200, Tom Peel
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>Now, the question is: why do Americans oppose the Kippdrehfenster?
>>>Not only do they not exist, there is not even a word in the English
>>>language to describe them AFAIF. The Kippdrehfenster is a double glazed
>>>window that can be either opened along the vertical hinge, like a door,
>>>or a along a hinge at the bottom, to tilt.
>>
>> Did you ever get one in the intermediate position, where the whole
>> window tries to fall out?
>Too often. :-)
Not when you were pissed in a hotel room 3 floors up after diverting
to a beer festival, whilst on the way to the Salzburg Festival.
May 3rd 2005, 3:43 pm
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spamfree wrote:
As I understand it, this window tilts in at the top or swings like a
door
outwards. If the window were designed to tilt in at the top or swing
like a door *inward*, then a screen might be used on the outside.
The only ones I have ever seen, like the ones in our apartment, always
open inwards.
George
As I understand it, this window tilts in at the top or swings like a
door
outwards. If the window were designed to tilt in at the top or swing
like a door *inward*, then a screen might be used on the outside.
The only ones I have ever seen, like the ones in our apartment, always
open inwards.
George
May 3rd 2005, 3:57 pm
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nitram wrote:
> On Tue, 03 May 2005 16:09:55 +0200, Tom Peel
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>Now, the question is: why do Americans oppose the Kippdrehfenster?
>>Not only do they not exist, there is not even a word in the English
>>language to describe them AFAIF. The Kippdrehfenster is a double glazed
>>window that can be either opened along the vertical hinge, like a door,
>>or a along a hinge at the bottom, to tilt.
>
>
> Did you ever get one in the intermediate position, where the whole
> window tries to fall out?
Having an inquiring mind, I did try it once... never again........
> On Tue, 03 May 2005 16:09:55 +0200, Tom Peel
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>Now, the question is: why do Americans oppose the Kippdrehfenster?
>>Not only do they not exist, there is not even a word in the English
>>language to describe them AFAIF. The Kippdrehfenster is a double glazed
>>window that can be either opened along the vertical hinge, like a door,
>>or a along a hinge at the bottom, to tilt.
>
>
> Did you ever get one in the intermediate position, where the whole
> window tries to fall out?
Having an inquiring mind, I did try it once... never again........
May 3rd 2005, 4:00 pm
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Bert Hyman wrote:
> [email protected] (Tom Peel) wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>
>>Now, the question is: why do Americans oppose the Kippdrehfenster?
>>Not only do they not exist, there is not even a word in the English
>>language to describe them AFAIF. The Kippdrehfenster is a double
>>glazed window that can be either opened along the vertical hinge,
>>like a door, or a along a hinge at the bottom, to tilt.
>
>
> You mean like these?
>
> http://homeowner.marvin.com/products...1D9EAD13661B2F
>
OK - they have heard of them in Minneapolis - isn't half the population
originally German?
> [email protected] (Tom Peel) wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>
>>Now, the question is: why do Americans oppose the Kippdrehfenster?
>>Not only do they not exist, there is not even a word in the English
>>language to describe them AFAIF. The Kippdrehfenster is a double
>>glazed window that can be either opened along the vertical hinge,
>>like a door, or a along a hinge at the bottom, to tilt.
>
>
> You mean like these?
>
> http://homeowner.marvin.com/products...1D9EAD13661B2F
>
OK - they have heard of them in Minneapolis - isn't half the population
originally German?
May 3rd 2005, 4:28 pm
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[email protected] (Tom Peel) wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Bert Hyman wrote:
>
>> [email protected] (Tom Peel) wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>
>>>Now, the question is: why do Americans oppose the Kippdrehfenster?
>>>Not only do they not exist, there is not even a word in the
>>>English language to describe them AFAIF. The Kippdrehfenster is a
>>>double glazed window that can be either opened along the vertical
>>>hinge, like a door, or a along a hinge at the bottom, to tilt.
>>
>>
>> You mean like these?
>>
>> http://homeowner.marvin.com/products...6B3DF253-6608-
>> 4F0C-931D9EAD13661B2F
>>
>
> OK - they have heard of them in Minneapolis - isn't half the
> population originally German?
Well, Minnesota, actually :-)
According to the last census, folks of German ancestry make up 37% of
Minnesota's population, followed by Norwegians at 17%, Irish at 11%
and Swedes at 10%.
--
Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | [email protected]
news:[email protected]:
> Bert Hyman wrote:
>
>> [email protected] (Tom Peel) wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>
>>>Now, the question is: why do Americans oppose the Kippdrehfenster?
>>>Not only do they not exist, there is not even a word in the
>>>English language to describe them AFAIF. The Kippdrehfenster is a
>>>double glazed window that can be either opened along the vertical
>>>hinge, like a door, or a along a hinge at the bottom, to tilt.
>>
>>
>> You mean like these?
>>
>> http://homeowner.marvin.com/products...6B3DF253-6608-
>> 4F0C-931D9EAD13661B2F
>>
>
> OK - they have heard of them in Minneapolis - isn't half the
> population originally German?
Well, Minnesota, actually :-)
According to the last census, folks of German ancestry make up 37% of
Minnesota's population, followed by Norwegians at 17%, Irish at 11%
and Swedes at 10%.
--
Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | [email protected]
May 3rd 2005, 4:29 pm
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Re: Why do Europeans Oppose Window Screens?
On Tue, 03 May 2005 16:09:55 +0200, Tom Peel
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Now, the question is: why do Americans oppose the Kippdrehfenster?
>Not only do they not exist, there is not even a word in the English
>language to describe them AFAIF. The Kippdrehfenster is a double glazed
>window that can be either opened along the vertical hinge, like a door,
>or a along a hinge at the bottom, to tilt.
Building codes for non-fixed window construction in the US have
developed with the single/double hung, sliding, or casement windows
that are in common usage. Getting that configuration approved for use
would be a monumental task, if not impossible.
Gordon
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Now, the question is: why do Americans oppose the Kippdrehfenster?
>Not only do they not exist, there is not even a word in the English
>language to describe them AFAIF. The Kippdrehfenster is a double glazed
>window that can be either opened along the vertical hinge, like a door,
>or a along a hinge at the bottom, to tilt.
Building codes for non-fixed window construction in the US have
developed with the single/double hung, sliding, or casement windows
that are in common usage. Getting that configuration approved for use
would be a monumental task, if not impossible.
Gordon
May 3rd 2005, 4:37 pm
#30
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Re: Why do Europeans Oppose Window Screens?
On Tue, 03 May 2005 17:57:35 +0200, Tom Peel
<[email protected]> wrote:
>nitram wrote:
>> On Tue, 03 May 2005 16:09:55 +0200, Tom Peel
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Now, the question is: why do Americans oppose the Kippdrehfenster?
>>>Not only do they not exist, there is not even a word in the English
>>>language to describe them AFAIF. The Kippdrehfenster is a double glazed
>>>window that can be either opened along the vertical hinge, like a door,
>>>or a along a hinge at the bottom, to tilt.
>>
>>
>> Did you ever get one in the intermediate position, where the whole
>> window tries to fall out?
> Having an inquiring mind, I did try it once... never again........
It was the first thing that convinced me that Germans weren't perfect
after all.
<[email protected]> wrote:
>nitram wrote:
>> On Tue, 03 May 2005 16:09:55 +0200, Tom Peel
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Now, the question is: why do Americans oppose the Kippdrehfenster?
>>>Not only do they not exist, there is not even a word in the English
>>>language to describe them AFAIF. The Kippdrehfenster is a double glazed
>>>window that can be either opened along the vertical hinge, like a door,
>>>or a along a hinge at the bottom, to tilt.
>>
>>
>> Did you ever get one in the intermediate position, where the whole
>> window tries to fall out?
> Having an inquiring mind, I did try it once... never again........
It was the first thing that convinced me that Germans weren't perfect
after all.