In message <[email protected] >, Danielle
<[email protected]> writes
    >As Great Britain is a member of the European Union, passports should not be needed
    >if you are a British subject.

This is absolutely NOT TRUE. EU membership allows citizens of one country to live and
work in the others, it does NOT mean that citizens can cross borders without
documentation - either a passport or national identity card; since the UK does not
have a national ID card, then a passport is needed. The Schengen Agreement which does
allow open borders does not apply in this case because the UK and Ireland are not
parties to the Schengen Agreement.

Separately, the UK and Ireland have passport-free travel between them, but this is an
arrangement which has existed, as far as I am aware, since Irish independence in the
1920s, just as Irish citizens have always been able to vote and stand for election in
British elections as long as they are resident in the UK.

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"Arwel Parry" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht news:[email protected]...
    > In message <[email protected] >, Danielle
    > <[email protected]> writes
    > >As Great Britain is a member of the European Union, passports should not be needed
    > >if you are a British subject.
    > This is absolutely NOT TRUE. EU membership allows citizens of one country to live
    > and work in the others, it does NOT mean that citizens can cross borders without
    > documentation - either a passport or national identity card; since the UK does not
    > have a national ID card, then a passport is needed. The Schengen Agreement which
    > does allow open borders does not apply in this case because the UK and Ireland are
    > not parties to the Schengen Agreement.

The Schengen Agreeement is irrelevant. For travel between Schengen countries,
everybody needs a valid ID (national ID card, passport, passsport and visa depending
on nationality). The Schengen Agreement is about the abolishment of regular
immigration border checks and a common visa policy, but you still need to carry
appropriate ID accross borders.

Sjoerd

"Danielle" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
et...
    > As Great Britain is a member of the European Union, passports should not
be
    > needed if you are a British subject. Danielle

Without an identity card, how else do I prove I am a British citizen?

Mike O'Sullivan <[email protected]> wrote:
    > "Danielle" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> As Great Britain is a member of the European Union, passports should not be needed
    >> if you are a British subject. Danielle
    > Without an identity card, how else do I prove I am a British citizen?

Yell "you fat bastard, you fat bastard, you et all the pies" and headbutt the
immigration inspector.

miguel
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"Mike O'Sullivan" <[email protected]> writes:


    >"Danielle" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] et-
    >    ...
    >> As Great Britain is a member of the European Union, passports should not
    >be
    >> needed if you are a British subject. Danielle

    >Without an identity card, how else do I prove I am a British citizen?

Socks. :-)
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    > > As Great Britain is a member of the European Union, passports should not be
    > > needed if you are a British subject. Danielle

For the official view see : http://www.ukpa.gov.uk/_7_traveladvice/7_europe.htm

Mike O'Sullivan wrote:
    > "Danielle" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] et-
    >     ...
    >>As Great Britain is a member of the European Union, passports should not
    > be
    >>needed if you are a British subject. Danielle
    > Without an identity card, how else do I prove I am a British citizen?


Still, no one is asking specifically for a passport. It's just that the passport is
the only suitable thing that *you* have. The requirement is not for a passport but
any proof of citizenship.

"devil" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > Still, no one is asking specifically for a passport. It's just that the passport
    > is the only suitable thing that *you* have. The requirement is not for a passport
    > but any proof of citizenship.
That is correct. The reason we do not have identity cards in the UK is that we are
not normally required to prove "citizenship". We are not required to show our
"papers" to any passing police official, as has historically been the case in certain
European countries, eg France.

If you are coming to Belgium you need a identity card if you don't have one . you
need a pasport. this is the oficial stuff. it is always possible that nobody ask for
it or that customs or bordercontrol let you in the country , if you only have a
driverslicence ( whit picture).but the oficial rules is identity card or pasport
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schreef in bericht news:3D625BBF.3040101@-
attglobal.net...
    > Mike O'Sullivan wrote:
    > > "Danielle" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
    > > et    ...
    > >
    > >>As Great Britain is a member of the European Union, passports should not
    > >
    > > be
    > >
    > >>needed if you are a British subject. Danielle
    > >
    > >
    > > Without an identity card, how else do I prove I am a British citizen?
    > Still, no one is asking specifically for a passport. It's just that the passport
    > is the only suitable thing that *you* have. The requirement is not for a passport
    > but any proof of citizenship.

Btw my son did bordercontrol, at Antwerp airport.

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<swagmanneke@(verwijderdit)yahoo.com.au> schreef in bericht news:[email protected]
be...
    > If you are coming to Belgium you need a identity card if you don't have one . you
    > need a pasport. this is the oficial stuff. it is always possible that nobody ask
    > for it or that customs or bordercontrol let you in the country , if you only have
    > a driverslicence ( whit picture).but the oficial rules is identity card or pasport
    > --
    > Swagmanneke( walter caremans) [email protected] "devil"
    > <[email protected]> schreef in bericht news:[email protected]...
    > > Mike O'Sullivan wrote:
    > > > "Danielle" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
    > > > ia.net    ...
    > > >
    > > >>As Great Britain is a member of the European Union, passports should
not
    > > >
    > > > be
    > > >
    > > >>needed if you are a British subject. Danielle
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > Without an identity card, how else do I prove I am a British citizen?
    > >
    > >
    > > Still, no one is asking specifically for a passport. It's just that the passport
    > > is the only suitable thing that *you* have. The requirement is not for a
    > > passport but any proof of citizenship.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >

The Oik wrote:

    > Same as you are 'allowed' to bring as much EU booze and fags into the country as
    > you want, despite what UK Customs say.

Not exactly true, you may only bring booze for your private use. But if you claim you
are a heavy drinker or plan a party for 800 friends ...

Regards

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Gunter Herrmann Naples, Fl.