I spent a day in Vienna some years back. My most vivid memory was of
being dissed by the staff of a restaurant I wandered into, at
lunchtime, wearing jeans.

Now I've got to decide how much time to spend there on a Europe
vacation this summer. I am willing to pack slacks but not a jacket
and tie. So - how constrained will I be as far as eating dinner out,
and will I get dissed again?

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Hi Walt
Just go as you want I don't think it will make any difference. We have travelled quite a lot in Austria and have been to Vienna a couple of times,the first time by choice (and we said then we would never go back) and the second as a stop over on a tour. We found the people to be rude, ignorant and arrogant, nothing like the wonderful people we met everywhere else in Austria. Their rudeness ranged from being totally ignored in 2 restaurants and getting up and walking out to having our change literally thrown at us in a tobacconist shop!!!!!!!!
Hope you are luckier this time.

Loz x

On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 21:39:48 -0800, Walt Bilofsky
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >I spent a day in Vienna some years back. My most vivid memory was of
    >being dissed by the staff of a restaurant I wandered into, at
    >lunchtime, wearing jeans.
    >Now I've got to decide how much time to spend there on a Europe
    >vacation this summer. I am willing to pack slacks but not a jacket
    >and tie. So - how constrained will I be as far as eating dinner out,
    >and will I get dissed again?

Dissed for wearing jeans? That's a bit surprising! What actually
happened?

I remember nothing but pleasant service everywhere in Vienna, and I
dress like a pseudo-hobo, and couldn't give a shit.

I think wearing slacks would be perfectly acceptable in any situation.
Perhaps jeans mind be a bit rough for a good restaurant in the
evening, but I would walk straight out of anywhere that 'dissed' me
for my clothes.
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    >Dissed for wearing jeans? That's a bit surprising! What actually
    >happened?

I'm a bit surprised as well. I've never had a problem and I always wear
jeans - but I've never tried to eat in the Sacher either. Not my sort of
place.
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Walt Bilofsky wrote:
    > I spent a day in Vienna some years back. My most vivid memory was of
    > being dissed by the staff of a restaurant I wandered into, at
    > lunchtime, wearing jeans.
    >
    > Now I've got to decide how much time to spend there on a Europe
    > vacation this summer. I am willing to pack slacks but not a jacket
    > and tie. So - how constrained will I be as far as eating dinner out,
    > and will I get dissed again?

I hope so.

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Following up to Icono Clast <[email protected]> :

    >Walt Bilofsky wrote:
    >> I spent a day in Vienna some years back. My most vivid memory was of
    >> being dissed by the staff of a restaurant I wandered into, at
    >> lunchtime, wearing jeans.
    >>
    >> Now I've got to decide how much time to spend there on a Europe
    >> vacation this summer. I am willing to pack slacks but not a jacket
    >> and tie. So - how constrained will I be as far as eating dinner out,
    >> and will I get dissed again?
    >I hope so.

Snob.



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Walt Bilofsky <[email protected]> wrote:

    >I spent a day in Vienna some years back. My most vivid memory was of
    >being dissed by the staff of a restaurant I wandered into, at
    >lunchtime, wearing jeans.
    >Now I've got to decide how much time to spend there on a Europe
    >vacation this summer. I am willing to pack slacks but not a jacket
    >and tie. So - how constrained will I be as far as eating dinner out,
    >and will I get dissed again?

If the staff of a restaurant dissed me for wearing jeans, Id' know I
was in the wrong place. I know my place, and it's a friendlier, less
pretentious one than that.

Did you consider offering to remove the offending garment?

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Following up to [email protected] :

    >Hey! I resemble that remark!

That's alright, then. :)
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    > Walt Bilofsky <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >I spent a day in Vienna some years back. My most vivid memory was of
    > >being dissed by the staff of a restaurant I wandered into, at
    > >lunchtime, wearing jeans.
    > >
    > >Now I've got to decide how much time to spend there on a Europe
    > >vacation this summer. I am willing to pack slacks but not a jacket
    > >and tie. So - how constrained will I be as far as eating dinner out,
    > >and will I get dissed again?
    > If the staff of a restaurant dissed me for wearing jeans, Id' know I
    > was in the wrong place. I know my place, and it's a friendlier, less
    > pretentious one than that.
    > Did you consider offering to remove the offending garment?
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    > PB
    > The return address has been MUNGED

We were never refused service anywhere in Vienna but we don't frequent the
very upscale establishments that would judge you by your attire.

To paraphrase Groucho; "I would never want to be a member of a club who
would have someone like me as a member."

Padraig Breathnach <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Walt Bilofsky <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > >I spent a day in Vienna some years back. My most vivid memory was of
    > >being dissed by the staff of a restaurant I wandered into, at
    > >lunchtime, wearing jeans.
    > >
    > >Now I've got to decide how much time to spend there on a Europe
    > >vacation this summer. I am willing to pack slacks but not a jacket
    > >and tie. So - how constrained will I be as far as eating dinner out,
    > >and will I get dissed again?
    >
    > If the staff of a restaurant dissed me for wearing jeans, I'd know I
    > was in the wrong place. I know my place, and it's a friendlier, less
    > pretentious one than that.

We were not allowed in the Sacher cafe in Vienna. I don't think it was
my dress, but my partner's. The waiter was actually quite nice about it,
and apologised and then directed us to the Sacher-Lite or whatever itt's
called next door, saying that 'they are more relaxed.' Partly because of
the friendly atttitude, if we happened to be appropriately dressed, and
in the area, we'd try getting in to the Sacher cafe- but we certainly
wouldn't modify our dress just to go.

It is pretty good cake despite the hype. On a slightly related subject
tried Cafe Gerbaud (sp?) which you enjoyed in Budapest, and weren't
impressed. We went twice just to make sure it wasn't a one-off, but I
found the cakes on offer very dry.

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Walt Bilofsky <[email protected]> wrote:

    > I spent a day in Vienna some years back. My most vivid memory was of
    > being dissed by the staff of a restaurant I wandered into, at
    > lunchtime, wearing jeans.
    >
    > Now I've got to decide how much time to spend there on a Europe
    > vacation this summer. I am willing to pack slacks but not a jacket
    > and tie. So - how constrained will I be as far as eating dinner out,
    > and will I get dissed again?

Other than the Sacher cafe, I doubt you'd have a problem in most
restaurants. I found people pretty relaxed on the whole.

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    > Padraig Breathnach <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> Walt Bilofsky <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> >I spent a day in Vienna some years back. My most vivid memory was of
    >> >being dissed by the staff of a restaurant I wandered into, at
    >> >lunchtime, wearing jeans.
    >> >
    >> >Now I've got to decide how much time to spend there on a Europe
    >> >vacation this summer. I am willing to pack slacks but not a jacket
    >> >and tie. So - how constrained will I be as far as eating dinner out,
    >> >and will I get dissed again?
    >> If the staff of a restaurant dissed me for wearing jeans, I'd know I
    >> was in the wrong place. I know my place, and it's a friendlier, less
    >> pretentious one than that.
    > We were not allowed in the Sacher cafe in Vienna. I don't think it was
    > my dress, but my partner's. The waiter was actually quite nice about it,
    > and apologised and then directed us to the Sacher-Lite or whatever itt's
    > called next door, saying that 'they are more relaxed.' Partly because of
    > the friendly atttitude, if we happened to be appropriately dressed, and
    > in the area, we'd try getting in to the Sacher cafe- but we certainly
    > wouldn't modify our dress just to go.
So what's the minimum requirement for Sacher cafe ?

[email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of
the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy) wrote:

    >We were not allowed in the Sacher cafe in Vienna. I don't think it was
    >my dress, but my partner's. The waiter was actually quite nice about it,
    >and apologised and then directed us to the Sacher-Lite or whatever itt's
    >called next door, saying that 'they are more relaxed.'

Well, that's what I would expect from any quality establishment. But
there are cultures that feel an obligation to put down those they
consider beneath them. I am glad to hear that people have had
friendlier experiences in Vienna, so will not judge the entire place
by the jerks we encountered.

This was maybe six or seven years ago. We were on a river cruise -
very informal - and were wandering around the city in jeans, carrying
a small day pack. We'd been told about some top restaurant, so we
went in there. The dining room was on the second floor, and when we
got out of the elevator the two young hostesses told us they had no
tables available. This was obviously not the case as the place was
almost deserted. The three or four occupied tables had well-dressed
people, men in jackets and ties. Anyway, there was nothing to say to
a statement like that (well, there was, but one thinks of them later
on), so we left.

It would have been fine if they'd just said they had a dress code. But
the way they handled it was rude.