U.S. airlines must now reveal where aircraft were built
Jun 22nd 2005, 10:22 pm
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The problem with ALL the comments on this subject is that the original
story was sloppy reporting.
I think you will find that the rule does NOT say "BUILT", it says
"ASSEMBLED". There's a _world_ of difference (pun intended). A plane
can be _assembled_ in country U, even if every last part comes from
other countries. That would apparently satisfy this labeling law!!!
Yes it's xenophobic and intended to support company B, but the wording
was carefully chosen for the desired effect.
story was sloppy reporting.
I think you will find that the rule does NOT say "BUILT", it says
"ASSEMBLED". There's a _world_ of difference (pun intended). A plane
can be _assembled_ in country U, even if every last part comes from
other countries. That would apparently satisfy this labeling law!!!
Yes it's xenophobic and intended to support company B, but the wording
was carefully chosen for the desired effect.
Jun 22nd 2005, 11:39 pm
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Re: U.S. airlines must now reveal where aircraft were built
"Alan S" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
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> On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 02:15:00 -0000,
> [email protected] (Gordon Burditt) wrote:
>>>U.S. airlines must tell passengers where planes were built, under a
>>>rule that becomes final today and was prompted by a U.S. lawmaker's
>>>concern that so many aircraft are being manufactured outside the
>>>country.
>>This is stupid. Why not insist on revealing the IMPORTANT
>>information, like WHERE THE METAL WAS MINED? The car you buy
>>IS made of metal mined in the USA, isn't it? It should be.
>> Gordon L. Burditt
> many x-posts cut
> It's a nonsense. For example.....
Try to read Gordon's example as irony which I think it was.
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> On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 02:15:00 -0000,
> [email protected] (Gordon Burditt) wrote:
>>>U.S. airlines must tell passengers where planes were built, under a
>>>rule that becomes final today and was prompted by a U.S. lawmaker's
>>>concern that so many aircraft are being manufactured outside the
>>>country.
>>This is stupid. Why not insist on revealing the IMPORTANT
>>information, like WHERE THE METAL WAS MINED? The car you buy
>>IS made of metal mined in the USA, isn't it? It should be.
>> Gordon L. Burditt
> many x-posts cut
> It's a nonsense. For example.....
Try to read Gordon's example as irony which I think it was.
Jun 23rd 2005, 12:14 am
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xz wrote:
> BLOOMBERG NEWS
> Wednesday, June 22, 2005
>
> U.S. airlines must tell passengers where planes were built, under a
> rule that becomes final today and was prompted by a U.S. lawmaker's
> concern that so many aircraft are being manufactured outside the
> country.
>
> Carriers, including American Airlines and United Airlines, must place
> the information on the plastic cards in airplane seat backs that
> describe emergency exits.
>
> The rule is the result of a provision that Rep. John Mica, R-Fla., who
> is chairman of the House aviation subcommittee, added to legislation
> enacted in December 2003.
>
> "All of the airlines are probably already in compliance," Federal
> Aviation Administration spokesman Les Dorr said yesterday in
> Washington. The agency estimated it would cost carriers $522,000 to
> print stickers with the location where planes were "finally assembled"
> and place them on the placards in 6,559 aircraft.
>
> Airbus has won more orders than The Boeing Co. in five of the past six
> years and delivered more planes the past two years. U.S. airlines also
> use planes made by Montreal-based Bombardier Inc. and Empresa
> Brasileira de Aeronautica SA, which has its headquarters in Sao Jose
> dos Campos, Brazil.
>
> The requirement is "irrelevant" because aircraft manufacturing is a
> global industry and planes contain parts from countries around the
> world, said Mary Anne Greczyn, a U.S. spokeswoman for Airbus.
>
> The company's planes are "finally assembled" in France or Germany, she
> said.
Attorneys run on the idea that enough laws, rules and regulations will
make the world perfect. Too bad they don't understand the subject matter.
__________________________________________________ _____________________________
Bill Plummer and Connie Laubach, 7 Country Club Dr., Chelmsford, MA 01824
> BLOOMBERG NEWS
> Wednesday, June 22, 2005
>
> U.S. airlines must tell passengers where planes were built, under a
> rule that becomes final today and was prompted by a U.S. lawmaker's
> concern that so many aircraft are being manufactured outside the
> country.
>
> Carriers, including American Airlines and United Airlines, must place
> the information on the plastic cards in airplane seat backs that
> describe emergency exits.
>
> The rule is the result of a provision that Rep. John Mica, R-Fla., who
> is chairman of the House aviation subcommittee, added to legislation
> enacted in December 2003.
>
> "All of the airlines are probably already in compliance," Federal
> Aviation Administration spokesman Les Dorr said yesterday in
> Washington. The agency estimated it would cost carriers $522,000 to
> print stickers with the location where planes were "finally assembled"
> and place them on the placards in 6,559 aircraft.
>
> Airbus has won more orders than The Boeing Co. in five of the past six
> years and delivered more planes the past two years. U.S. airlines also
> use planes made by Montreal-based Bombardier Inc. and Empresa
> Brasileira de Aeronautica SA, which has its headquarters in Sao Jose
> dos Campos, Brazil.
>
> The requirement is "irrelevant" because aircraft manufacturing is a
> global industry and planes contain parts from countries around the
> world, said Mary Anne Greczyn, a U.S. spokeswoman for Airbus.
>
> The company's planes are "finally assembled" in France or Germany, she
> said.
Attorneys run on the idea that enough laws, rules and regulations will
make the world perfect. Too bad they don't understand the subject matter.
__________________________________________________ _____________________________
Bill Plummer and Connie Laubach, 7 Country Club Dr., Chelmsford, MA 01824
Jun 23rd 2005, 12:52 am
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xz wrote:
>
> Carriers, including American Airlines and United Airlines, must place
> the information on the plastic cards in airplane seat backs that
> describe emergency exits.
>
Goes with the thing on the car stickers that told me that my Chevy
truck is a NAFTA special assembled in Mexico (as well as having the
final assembly pick sheet that's written in Spanish).
>
> Carriers, including American Airlines and United Airlines, must place
> the information on the plastic cards in airplane seat backs that
> describe emergency exits.
>
Goes with the thing on the car stickers that told me that my Chevy
truck is a NAFTA special assembled in Mexico (as well as having the
final assembly pick sheet that's written in Spanish).
Jun 23rd 2005, 12:53 am
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SP Cook wrote:
>
>
> Umm, if the emergency exit card says "Boeing" or "M-D" its US made, if
> it says "Airbus" it isn't.
>
What about Embraer or Saab or Canadair or ...
>
>
> Umm, if the emergency exit card says "Boeing" or "M-D" its US made, if
> it says "Airbus" it isn't.
>
What about Embraer or Saab or Canadair or ...
Jun 23rd 2005, 1:19 am
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No woner they are going bankrupt with the
cost of these silly rules.
cost of these silly rules.
Jun 23rd 2005, 1:27 am
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Actually many large parts of Boeings are built overseas (Japan for example)
Mike
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> xz wrote:
>> BLOOMBERG NEWS
>> Wednesday, June 22, 2005
>> U.S. airlines must tell passengers where planes were built, under a
>> rule that becomes final today and was prompted by a U.S. lawmaker's
>> concern that so many aircraft are being manufactured outside the
>> country.
>> Carriers, including American Airlines and United Airlines, must place
>> the information on the plastic cards in airplane seat backs that
>> describe emergency exits.
> Umm, if the emergency exit card says "Boeing" or "M-D" its US made, if
> it says "Airbus" it isn't.
> Who cares?
>
Mike
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"SP Cook" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> xz wrote:
>> BLOOMBERG NEWS
>> Wednesday, June 22, 2005
>> U.S. airlines must tell passengers where planes were built, under a
>> rule that becomes final today and was prompted by a U.S. lawmaker's
>> concern that so many aircraft are being manufactured outside the
>> country.
>> Carriers, including American Airlines and United Airlines, must place
>> the information on the plastic cards in airplane seat backs that
>> describe emergency exits.
> Umm, if the emergency exit card says "Boeing" or "M-D" its US made, if
> it says "Airbus" it isn't.
> Who cares?
>
Jun 23rd 2005, 2:14 am
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On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 06:19:04 +0100, Pooh Bear
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Sounds xenophobic to me.
Please explain.
(Australian joke here, Aussies will get it).
Dave
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>Sounds xenophobic to me.
Please explain.
(Australian joke here, Aussies will get it).
Dave
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Jun 23rd 2005, 4:00 am
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Mike Rapoport wrote:
> Actually many large parts of Boeings are built overseas (Japan for example)
I think the 777 vertical stabiliser is made in Australia. It needs a huge
autoclave to make it, it's composite and they ( Australian Aerospace or
something ) have one of the few big enough.
Graham
> Actually many large parts of Boeings are built overseas (Japan for example)
I think the 777 vertical stabiliser is made in Australia. It needs a huge
autoclave to make it, it's composite and they ( Australian Aerospace or
something ) have one of the few big enough.
Graham
Jun 23rd 2005, 4:03 am
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David Herman wrote:
> "xz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:0t2kb1lk1pqbgdmkckpkmk4njn2d7eq605@news...
> > BLOOMBERG NEWS
> > Wednesday, June 22, 2005
> >
> > U.S. airlines must tell passengers where planes were built, under a
> > rule that becomes final today and was prompted by a U.S. lawmaker's
> > concern that so many aircraft are being manufactured outside the
> > country....
> I think it might be at least as interesting to see notices indicating where
> *maintenance* was done.
> A greater awareness of the practice of US (and probably European) carriers
> flying their planes off to overseas bases for maintenance might make for
> some interesting discussions.
No - they just want to make US citizens cross ( for no apparent reason that
makes sense ) about their failing industrial power - not scare the living
daylights out of them about US corporate management style !
Graham
> "xz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:0t2kb1lk1pqbgdmkckpkmk4njn2d7eq605@news...
> > BLOOMBERG NEWS
> > Wednesday, June 22, 2005
> >
> > U.S. airlines must tell passengers where planes were built, under a
> > rule that becomes final today and was prompted by a U.S. lawmaker's
> > concern that so many aircraft are being manufactured outside the
> > country....
> I think it might be at least as interesting to see notices indicating where
> *maintenance* was done.
> A greater awareness of the practice of US (and probably European) carriers
> flying their planes off to overseas bases for maintenance might make for
> some interesting discussions.
No - they just want to make US citizens cross ( for no apparent reason that
makes sense ) about their failing industrial power - not scare the living
daylights out of them about US corporate management style !
Graham
Jun 23rd 2005, 4:13 am
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Robert J Carpenter wrote:
> The problem with ALL the comments on this subject is that the original
> story was sloppy reporting.
> I think you will find that the rule does NOT say "BUILT", it says
> "ASSEMBLED". There's a _world_ of difference (pun intended). A plane
> can be _assembled_ in country U, even if every last part comes from
> other countries. That would apparently satisfy this labeling law!!!
> Yes it's xenophobic and intended to support company B, but the wording
> was carefully chosen for the desired effect.
Boeing's screwed anyway. Their best seller is the 737. Not bad considering
how good Airbus's A320 family ( 318 / 319 / 320 / 321 ) is in comparison !
And I'm just so betting Toulouse is about to start making plastic versions
of these too !
They stop making 747s next year IIRC. A military tanker deal ( that's come
under close scrutiny for being 'dodgy' ) may keep the 767 ? line going for
a bit longer maybe. 757 is dead.
And then Airbus spoilt the 7E7 / 787 party by announcing its own
competitor in the same market that just picked up a single initial order
for 50 planes ! How many launch orders are for 50 planes ?
The Airbus competitor to the 7E7 / 787 is the A350 btw. A kinda 'hi-tech'
composites version of the already succesful A330 with longer range and
lower fuel costs and of course yet again the same flight deck so you don't
have crew conversion costs !
Not to mention the A380 of course. They have orders out to 2012 and
beyond.
Graham
> The problem with ALL the comments on this subject is that the original
> story was sloppy reporting.
> I think you will find that the rule does NOT say "BUILT", it says
> "ASSEMBLED". There's a _world_ of difference (pun intended). A plane
> can be _assembled_ in country U, even if every last part comes from
> other countries. That would apparently satisfy this labeling law!!!
> Yes it's xenophobic and intended to support company B, but the wording
> was carefully chosen for the desired effect.
Boeing's screwed anyway. Their best seller is the 737. Not bad considering
how good Airbus's A320 family ( 318 / 319 / 320 / 321 ) is in comparison !
And I'm just so betting Toulouse is about to start making plastic versions
of these too !
They stop making 747s next year IIRC. A military tanker deal ( that's come
under close scrutiny for being 'dodgy' ) may keep the 767 ? line going for
a bit longer maybe. 757 is dead.
And then Airbus spoilt the 7E7 / 787 party by announcing its own
competitor in the same market that just picked up a single initial order
for 50 planes ! How many launch orders are for 50 planes ?
The Airbus competitor to the 7E7 / 787 is the A350 btw. A kinda 'hi-tech'
composites version of the already succesful A330 with longer range and
lower fuel costs and of course yet again the same flight deck so you don't
have crew conversion costs !
Not to mention the A380 of course. They have orders out to 2012 and
beyond.
Graham
Jun 23rd 2005, 4:26 am
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Stubby wrote:
> Attorneys run on the idea that enough laws, rules and regulations will
> make the world perfect. Too bad they don't understand the subject matter.
Even more amusingly, the US tends to criticise *Europe* for being over-regulated !
This law is a joke. Actually it's worse. It's a sick joke.
Graham
> Attorneys run on the idea that enough laws, rules and regulations will
> make the world perfect. Too bad they don't understand the subject matter.
Even more amusingly, the US tends to criticise *Europe* for being over-regulated !
This law is a joke. Actually it's worse. It's a sick joke.
Graham
Jun 23rd 2005, 4:40 am
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Ron Natalie wrote:
> xz wrote:
> > Carriers, including American Airlines and United Airlines, must place
> > the information on the plastic cards in airplane seat backs that
> > describe emergency exits.
> Goes with the thing on the car stickers that told me that my Chevy
> truck is a NAFTA special assembled in Mexico (as well as having the
> final assembly pick sheet that's written in Spanish).
Yeah and some Mercs ( the SUVs ) are made in the USA.
GM in it's wisdom ( I use the term advisedly ! ) apparently want to make
Saabs in Opel's plant in Germany and some Opels in Saab's Swedish plant -
along with the new 'European' Cadillac that will likely bomb.
And these ppl at the top even get paid huge sums of money for making such
idiotic decisions !
Whilst at it - since you apparently drive a GM Chevy - just go and see
http://www.chevrolet.co.uk/
Yes - GM decided to rebrand Chevy - the muscle car brand - as it's new
worldwide model series that comes from Korea. Previously known as Daewoo.
If I were you I'd cry.
Graham
> xz wrote:
> > Carriers, including American Airlines and United Airlines, must place
> > the information on the plastic cards in airplane seat backs that
> > describe emergency exits.
> Goes with the thing on the car stickers that told me that my Chevy
> truck is a NAFTA special assembled in Mexico (as well as having the
> final assembly pick sheet that's written in Spanish).
Yeah and some Mercs ( the SUVs ) are made in the USA.
GM in it's wisdom ( I use the term advisedly ! ) apparently want to make
Saabs in Opel's plant in Germany and some Opels in Saab's Swedish plant -
along with the new 'European' Cadillac that will likely bomb.
And these ppl at the top even get paid huge sums of money for making such
idiotic decisions !
Whilst at it - since you apparently drive a GM Chevy - just go and see
http://www.chevrolet.co.uk/
Yes - GM decided to rebrand Chevy - the muscle car brand - as it's new
worldwide model series that comes from Korea. Previously known as Daewoo.
If I were you I'd cry.
Graham
Jun 23rd 2005, 4:44 am
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"Gary L. Dare" wrote:
> Pooh Bear wrote:
> > Sounds xenophobic to me. Not mention staggeringly dumb.
> ... which probably explains why it was praised on CNN's
> Lou Dobbs 19th Century Hour
The USA is still living in the 19th century ?
Explains a few things ! ;-)
Graham
> Pooh Bear wrote:
> > Sounds xenophobic to me. Not mention staggeringly dumb.
> ... which probably explains why it was praised on CNN's
> Lou Dobbs 19th Century Hour
The USA is still living in the 19th century ?
Explains a few things ! ;-)
Graham
Jun 23rd 2005, 4:48 am
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Dave Proctor wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 06:19:04 +0100, Pooh Bear
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >Sounds xenophobic to me.
> Please explain.
> (Australian joke here, Aussies will get it).
This an Oz - Brit thing ? I know you antipodeans like to make us feel
inferior but I'm not sure here. Meaning I didn't get it and pls explain
!
Cheers, Graham
> On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 06:19:04 +0100, Pooh Bear
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >Sounds xenophobic to me.
> Please explain.
> (Australian joke here, Aussies will get it).
This an Oz - Brit thing ? I know you antipodeans like to make us feel
inferior but I'm not sure here. Meaning I didn't get it and pls explain
!
Cheers, Graham
