Travel: the new tobacco
May 13th 2007, 7:05 am
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Travel: the new tobacco
Travel: the new tobacco
The founder of Rough Guides now believes that our addiction to 'binge
flying' is killing the planet
Amelia Hill, social affairs correspondent, The Observer, Sunday May 6 2007.
Mark Ellingham, founder of the Rough Guides and the man who encouraged a
generation of travellers to pack a rucksack and explore the world, has
compared the damage done by tourism to the impact of the tobacco industry.
Ellingham now says travelling is so environmentally destructive that
there is no such thing as a genuinely ethical holiday. He wants the
industry to educate travellers about the damage their holidays do to the
environment. The development he regrets most is the public's appetite
for what he calls 'binge-flying'.
'The tobacco industry fouled up the world while denying [it] as much as
possible for as long as they could,' said Ellingham. 'If the travel
industry rosily goes ahead as it is doing, ignoring the effect that
carbon emissions from flying are having on climate change, we are
putting ourselves in a very similar position to the tobacco industry.'
Although the aviation industry now accounts for just 5.5 per cent of the
CO2 generated in the UK, it is one of the fastest-growing generators of
the pollution. Some experts estimate that flying could treble in the
next 20 years.
'Climate change is an issue that dwarfs all others and the impact of
flying is key to this,' said Ellingham. 'All of us involved have a
responsibility to inform travellers as clearly and honestly as possible
about the environmental cost of their journeys. We must encourage
travellers to travel less and neutralise their carbon footprint through
offsetting. It is hard to say the positive impact travelling has can
ever outweigh the damage done by simply travelling to the destination,'
he said. 'Balancing all the positives and negatives, I'm not convinced
there is such a thing as a "responsible" or "ethical" holiday.'
Ellingham is calling for a �100 green tax on all flights to Europe and
Africa, and �250 on flights to the rest of the world. He also wants
investment to create a low-carbon economy, as well as a moratorium on
airport expansion.
It was 25 years ago this week when Ellingham sat down at his kitchen
table and wrote his first guidebook, using his mother's typewriter.
Alongside Lonely Planet, Ellingham's publications revolutionised the
travel industry, particularly by encouraging young people to explore the
world. 'At that time travelling, as distinct from a two-week holiday,
was a niche interest. Students went InterRailing, while the more daring
would go island-hopping in Greece,' he said.
Read the full content??
In the past 25 years, he said, there has been 'a huge growth in
expectation of what people think they can do on holiday. People have
more money. Flights cost a fraction of what they did then.'
Last week Easyjet came under criticism from environmentalists for
delaying the launch of its carbon emission offsetting scheme, blaming a
market riddled with 'snake-oil salesmen'.
Alongside guides enticing travellers to fly, Ellingham also publishes
environmental titles, including the Rough Guide to Climate Change which
is nominated for the Royal Society Prize for Science Books award, to be
announced next week. Even so, he is keenly aware of the incongruity of
making pronouncements about how people should moderate their behaviour.
'I acknowledge that I'm speaking about all of this from an apparently
contradictory position but it's a question of working with what's
realistic: if Rough Guides was to disappear overnight, I don't think
anybody would fly any less. I think it's an entirely ethical position of
mine to work with what's realistic by encouraging people to moderate the
amount they fly, rather than stop altogether,' he said. 'It's up to
people to make up their own minds about how they live their lives.'
While determined to encourage people to reduce the number of flights
they take, Ellingham admits he has no intention of stopping himself, and
he does not expect others to do so either. 'As a "recovering travel
writer", I fly less than I would like to, but more than I know that
ethically I should. The deal I have made with myself is to limit the
number of flights I take to one long-haul and two or three shorter
flights each year,' he said. 'I very much respect the purist attitudes
of those who say they will never fly again, but it's totally unrealistic
to expect the majority to do the same.'
Ellingham is aware of another contradiction in his position. While being
hugely destructive, tourism also has so many positive effects that it
would be disastrous to the economies of many nations if it were to stop
or even be curbed.
Encouraging people to reduce the number of flights they take, however,
is no easy task. Ellingham said he has been horrified by a new
travelling trend. 'If there was just one thing I could change, it would
be this new British obsession for binge flying,' he said. 'We now live
in a society where, if people have nothing to do on a Saturday night,
they go to Budapest for 48 hours. We fly anywhere at the slightest
opportunity, 10 times and upwards a year. This needs to be addressed
with the greatest urgency.'
http://travel.guardian.co.uk/article/2007/may/06/travelnews.climatechange
The founder of Rough Guides now believes that our addiction to 'binge
flying' is killing the planet
Amelia Hill, social affairs correspondent, The Observer, Sunday May 6 2007.
Mark Ellingham, founder of the Rough Guides and the man who encouraged a
generation of travellers to pack a rucksack and explore the world, has
compared the damage done by tourism to the impact of the tobacco industry.
Ellingham now says travelling is so environmentally destructive that
there is no such thing as a genuinely ethical holiday. He wants the
industry to educate travellers about the damage their holidays do to the
environment. The development he regrets most is the public's appetite
for what he calls 'binge-flying'.
'The tobacco industry fouled up the world while denying [it] as much as
possible for as long as they could,' said Ellingham. 'If the travel
industry rosily goes ahead as it is doing, ignoring the effect that
carbon emissions from flying are having on climate change, we are
putting ourselves in a very similar position to the tobacco industry.'
Although the aviation industry now accounts for just 5.5 per cent of the
CO2 generated in the UK, it is one of the fastest-growing generators of
the pollution. Some experts estimate that flying could treble in the
next 20 years.
'Climate change is an issue that dwarfs all others and the impact of
flying is key to this,' said Ellingham. 'All of us involved have a
responsibility to inform travellers as clearly and honestly as possible
about the environmental cost of their journeys. We must encourage
travellers to travel less and neutralise their carbon footprint through
offsetting. It is hard to say the positive impact travelling has can
ever outweigh the damage done by simply travelling to the destination,'
he said. 'Balancing all the positives and negatives, I'm not convinced
there is such a thing as a "responsible" or "ethical" holiday.'
Ellingham is calling for a �100 green tax on all flights to Europe and
Africa, and �250 on flights to the rest of the world. He also wants
investment to create a low-carbon economy, as well as a moratorium on
airport expansion.
It was 25 years ago this week when Ellingham sat down at his kitchen
table and wrote his first guidebook, using his mother's typewriter.
Alongside Lonely Planet, Ellingham's publications revolutionised the
travel industry, particularly by encouraging young people to explore the
world. 'At that time travelling, as distinct from a two-week holiday,
was a niche interest. Students went InterRailing, while the more daring
would go island-hopping in Greece,' he said.
Read the full content??
In the past 25 years, he said, there has been 'a huge growth in
expectation of what people think they can do on holiday. People have
more money. Flights cost a fraction of what they did then.'
Last week Easyjet came under criticism from environmentalists for
delaying the launch of its carbon emission offsetting scheme, blaming a
market riddled with 'snake-oil salesmen'.
Alongside guides enticing travellers to fly, Ellingham also publishes
environmental titles, including the Rough Guide to Climate Change which
is nominated for the Royal Society Prize for Science Books award, to be
announced next week. Even so, he is keenly aware of the incongruity of
making pronouncements about how people should moderate their behaviour.
'I acknowledge that I'm speaking about all of this from an apparently
contradictory position but it's a question of working with what's
realistic: if Rough Guides was to disappear overnight, I don't think
anybody would fly any less. I think it's an entirely ethical position of
mine to work with what's realistic by encouraging people to moderate the
amount they fly, rather than stop altogether,' he said. 'It's up to
people to make up their own minds about how they live their lives.'
While determined to encourage people to reduce the number of flights
they take, Ellingham admits he has no intention of stopping himself, and
he does not expect others to do so either. 'As a "recovering travel
writer", I fly less than I would like to, but more than I know that
ethically I should. The deal I have made with myself is to limit the
number of flights I take to one long-haul and two or three shorter
flights each year,' he said. 'I very much respect the purist attitudes
of those who say they will never fly again, but it's totally unrealistic
to expect the majority to do the same.'
Ellingham is aware of another contradiction in his position. While being
hugely destructive, tourism also has so many positive effects that it
would be disastrous to the economies of many nations if it were to stop
or even be curbed.
Encouraging people to reduce the number of flights they take, however,
is no easy task. Ellingham said he has been horrified by a new
travelling trend. 'If there was just one thing I could change, it would
be this new British obsession for binge flying,' he said. 'We now live
in a society where, if people have nothing to do on a Saturday night,
they go to Budapest for 48 hours. We fly anywhere at the slightest
opportunity, 10 times and upwards a year. This needs to be addressed
with the greatest urgency.'
http://travel.guardian.co.uk/article/2007/may/06/travelnews.climatechange
May 13th 2007, 7:13 am
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Re: Travel: the new tobacco
<[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> Travel: the new tobacco
>
> The founder of Rough Guides now believes that our addiction to 'binge
> flying' is killing the planet
> Ellingham is calling for a £100 green tax on all flights to Europe and
> Africa, and £250 on flights to the rest of the world. He also wants
> investment to create a low-carbon economy, as well as a moratorium on
> airport expansion.
So what he's actually saying is:
"I'm now rich. I've made my money by telling people all about fascinating
and remote places but these days I can't go anywhere to spend my shed loads
of cash without running into all these ghastly backpacker type people
lugging my bloody books about. Let's ban em fast before they ruin my
holidays".
The words 'gross hypocrisy' somehow spring into my mind.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
> Travel: the new tobacco
>
> The founder of Rough Guides now believes that our addiction to 'binge
> flying' is killing the planet
> Ellingham is calling for a £100 green tax on all flights to Europe and
> Africa, and £250 on flights to the rest of the world. He also wants
> investment to create a low-carbon economy, as well as a moratorium on
> airport expansion.
So what he's actually saying is:
"I'm now rich. I've made my money by telling people all about fascinating
and remote places but these days I can't go anywhere to spend my shed loads
of cash without running into all these ghastly backpacker type people
lugging my bloody books about. Let's ban em fast before they ruin my
holidays".
The words 'gross hypocrisy' somehow spring into my mind.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
May 13th 2007, 8:49 am
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Re: Travel: the new tobacco
Make credence recognised that on Sun, 13 May 2007 19:13:37 GMT,
"William Black" <[email protected]> has scripted:
>
><[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>> Travel: the new tobacco
>>
>> The founder of Rough Guides now believes that our addiction to 'binge
>> flying' is killing the planet
>
>> Ellingham is calling for a �100 green tax on all flights to Europe and
>> Africa, and �250 on flights to the rest of the world. He also wants
>> investment to create a low-carbon economy, as well as a moratorium on
>> airport expansion.
>
>So what he's actually saying is:
>
>"I'm now rich. I've made my money by telling people all about fascinating
>and remote places but these days I can't go anywhere to spend my shed loads
>of cash without running into all these ghastly backpacker type people
>lugging my bloody books about. Let's ban em fast before they ruin my
>holidays".
>
>The words 'gross hypocrisy' somehow spring into my mind.
Indeed, he did get rich from all them backpackers buying the book.
Bugger the environment, I'm expanding my outlook, and that's how I'll
ultimately save it.
--
---
DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com
---
--
"William Black" <[email protected]> has scripted:
>
><[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>> Travel: the new tobacco
>>
>> The founder of Rough Guides now believes that our addiction to 'binge
>> flying' is killing the planet
>
>> Ellingham is calling for a �100 green tax on all flights to Europe and
>> Africa, and �250 on flights to the rest of the world. He also wants
>> investment to create a low-carbon economy, as well as a moratorium on
>> airport expansion.
>
>So what he's actually saying is:
>
>"I'm now rich. I've made my money by telling people all about fascinating
>and remote places but these days I can't go anywhere to spend my shed loads
>of cash without running into all these ghastly backpacker type people
>lugging my bloody books about. Let's ban em fast before they ruin my
>holidays".
>
>The words 'gross hypocrisy' somehow spring into my mind.
Indeed, he did get rich from all them backpackers buying the book.
Bugger the environment, I'm expanding my outlook, and that's how I'll
ultimately save it.
--
---
DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com
---
--
May 13th 2007, 7:25 pm
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On Sun, 13 May 2007 20:05:43 +0100, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Ellingham now says travelling is so environmentally destructive that
>there is no such thing as a genuinely ethical holiday. He wants the
>industry to educate travellers about the damage their holidays do to the
>environment. The development he regrets most is the public's appetite
>for what he calls 'binge-flying'.
try "intensive tourism", there are interesting places on your doorstep
that become more interesting the more you visit them, read my ignored
trip report "Devizes and Kennet and Avon"
--
Mike Reid
UK walking, food, photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Spain walking, food, tourism "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk"
Beginners UK flight sim addons "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk"
wrote:
>Ellingham now says travelling is so environmentally destructive that
>there is no such thing as a genuinely ethical holiday. He wants the
>industry to educate travellers about the damage their holidays do to the
>environment. The development he regrets most is the public's appetite
>for what he calls 'binge-flying'.
try "intensive tourism", there are interesting places on your doorstep
that become more interesting the more you visit them, read my ignored
trip report "Devizes and Kennet and Avon"
--
Mike Reid
UK walking, food, photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Spain walking, food, tourism "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk"
Beginners UK flight sim addons "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk"
May 13th 2007, 7:27 pm
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On Sun, 13 May 2007 19:13:37 GMT, "William Black"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"I'm now rich. I've made my money by telling people all about fascinating
>and remote places but these days I can't go anywhere to spend my shed loads
>of cash without running into all these ghastly backpacker type people
>lugging my bloody books about. Let's ban em fast before they ruin my
>holidays".
>
>The words 'gross hypocrisy' somehow spring into my mind.
its not just backpackers, its the cheap weekend flights to foreign
capitals, holiday homes abroad and what happens when the Chinese and
Indians are rich enough to start doing the same?
--
Mike Reid
UK walking, food, photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Spain walking, food, tourism "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk"
Beginners UK flight sim addons "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"I'm now rich. I've made my money by telling people all about fascinating
>and remote places but these days I can't go anywhere to spend my shed loads
>of cash without running into all these ghastly backpacker type people
>lugging my bloody books about. Let's ban em fast before they ruin my
>holidays".
>
>The words 'gross hypocrisy' somehow spring into my mind.
its not just backpackers, its the cheap weekend flights to foreign
capitals, holiday homes abroad and what happens when the Chinese and
Indians are rich enough to start doing the same?
--
Mike Reid
UK walking, food, photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Spain walking, food, tourism "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk"
Beginners UK flight sim addons "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk"
May 13th 2007, 7:29 pm
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[email protected] wrote:
>
>
> Mark Ellingham, founder of the Rough Guides and the man who encouraged a
> generation of travellers to pack a rucksack and explore the world, has
> compared the damage done by tourism to the impact of the tobacco industry.
Well to quote King Louis XV, ?Apr�s moi le d�luge?
>
>
> Mark Ellingham, founder of the Rough Guides and the man who encouraged a
> generation of travellers to pack a rucksack and explore the world, has
> compared the damage done by tourism to the impact of the tobacco industry.
Well to quote King Louis XV, ?Apr�s moi le d�luge?
May 13th 2007, 8:11 pm
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On Mon, 14 May 2007 08:29:33 +0100, Mike O'Sullivan <[email protected]> wrote:
>[email protected] wrote:
>>
>>
>> Mark Ellingham, founder of the Rough Guides and the man who encouraged a
>> generation of travellers to pack a rucksack and explore the world, has
>> compared the damage done by tourism to the impact of the tobacco industry.
>
>Well to quote King Louis XV, �Apr�s moi le d�luge�
>
and to quote Josephine "FU2"
--
Martin
>[email protected] wrote:
>>
>>
>> Mark Ellingham, founder of the Rough Guides and the man who encouraged a
>> generation of travellers to pack a rucksack and explore the world, has
>> compared the damage done by tourism to the impact of the tobacco industry.
>
>Well to quote King Louis XV, �Apr�s moi le d�luge�
>
and to quote Josephine "FU2"
--
Martin
May 13th 2007, 10:27 pm
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On Mon, 14 May 2007 08:25:42 +0100, The Reid <[email protected]>
wrote:
>try "intensive tourism", there are interesting places on your doorstep
>that become more interesting the more you visit them, read my ignored
>trip report "Devizes and Kennet and Avon"
Felt I couldn't add anything to that thread, but the Kennett and Avon
towpath between Bath and Bradford-on-Avon is somewhere I enjoy a
wander from time to time. The canal follows the Avon valley and is
scenically very beautiful - lots of butterflies and dragonflies
flitting around as well.
Public transport connections are frequent so I don't need a car to get
there from Bristol.
Keith, Bristol, UK
wrote:
>try "intensive tourism", there are interesting places on your doorstep
>that become more interesting the more you visit them, read my ignored
>trip report "Devizes and Kennet and Avon"
Felt I couldn't add anything to that thread, but the Kennett and Avon
towpath between Bath and Bradford-on-Avon is somewhere I enjoy a
wander from time to time. The canal follows the Avon valley and is
scenically very beautiful - lots of butterflies and dragonflies
flitting around as well.
Public transport connections are frequent so I don't need a car to get
there from Bristol.
Keith, Bristol, UK
May 13th 2007, 10:31 pm
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The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sun, 13 May 2007 19:13:37 GMT, "William Black"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >"I'm now rich. I've made my money by telling people all about fascinating
> >and remote places but these days I can't go anywhere to spend my shed loads
> >of cash without running into all these ghastly backpacker type people
> >lugging my bloody books about. Let's ban em fast before they ruin my
> >holidays".
> >
> >The words 'gross hypocrisy' somehow spring into my mind.
>
> its not just backpackers, its the cheap weekend flights to foreign
> capitals, holiday homes abroad and what happens when the Chinese and
> Indians are rich enough to start doing the same?
Far bigger impact on the environment will be when they're all driving as
much as in western countries.
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
(don't email yahoo address) usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
> On Sun, 13 May 2007 19:13:37 GMT, "William Black"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >"I'm now rich. I've made my money by telling people all about fascinating
> >and remote places but these days I can't go anywhere to spend my shed loads
> >of cash without running into all these ghastly backpacker type people
> >lugging my bloody books about. Let's ban em fast before they ruin my
> >holidays".
> >
> >The words 'gross hypocrisy' somehow spring into my mind.
>
> its not just backpackers, its the cheap weekend flights to foreign
> capitals, holiday homes abroad and what happens when the Chinese and
> Indians are rich enough to start doing the same?
Far bigger impact on the environment will be when they're all driving as
much as in western countries.
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
(don't email yahoo address) usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
May 13th 2007, 11:06 pm
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On Mon, 14 May 2007 11:27:32 +0100, Keith Anderson <[email protected]>
wrote:
> but the Kennett and Avon
>towpath between Bath and Bradford-on-Avon is somewhere I enjoy a
>wander from time to time. T
having the trains along it helps get back to where you started.
--
Mike Reid
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wrote:
> but the Kennett and Avon
>towpath between Bath and Bradford-on-Avon is somewhere I enjoy a
>wander from time to time. T
having the trains along it helps get back to where you started.
--
Mike Reid
UK walking, food, photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
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May 13th 2007, 11:26 pm
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The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mon, 14 May 2007 11:27:32 +0100, Keith Anderson <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > but the Kennett and Avon
> >towpath between Bath and Bradford-on-Avon is somewhere I enjoy a
> >wander from time to time. T
>
> having the trains along it helps get back to where you started.
Usually when I'm canal walking, I try and end near a different rail line
to the one I started on. Fairly easy in this area with all the various
canals and train lines.
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
(don't email yahoo address) usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
> On Mon, 14 May 2007 11:27:32 +0100, Keith Anderson <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > but the Kennett and Avon
> >towpath between Bath and Bradford-on-Avon is somewhere I enjoy a
> >wander from time to time. T
>
> having the trains along it helps get back to where you started.
Usually when I'm canal walking, I try and end near a different rail line
to the one I started on. Fairly easy in this area with all the various
canals and train lines.
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
(don't email yahoo address) usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
May 13th 2007, 11:46 pm
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On Mon, 14 May 2007 12:26:28 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>> having the trains along it helps get back to where you started.
>
>Usually when I'm canal walking, I try and end near a different rail line
>to the one I started on. Fairly easy in this area with all the various
>canals and train lines.
what the environment like in the urban bits? I've so far only walked
rural canals, are your ones all gentrified?
--
Mike Reid
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Spain walking, food, tourism "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk"
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_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>> having the trains along it helps get back to where you started.
>
>Usually when I'm canal walking, I try and end near a different rail line
>to the one I started on. Fairly easy in this area with all the various
>canals and train lines.
what the environment like in the urban bits? I've so far only walked
rural canals, are your ones all gentrified?
--
Mike Reid
UK walking, food, photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
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May 14th 2007, 12:29 am
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On Mon, 14 May 2007 12:26:28 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>Usually when I'm canal walking, I try and end near a different rail line
>to the one I started on
did you mean that, isn't it better to be on the same one? I find
canals and river walks are easily train supported as they often follow
the same route. When we did the Thames we came back by train, the
first local service couldn't sell us a through ticket and we never saw
anybody else, the barrier at Waterloo was deserted, so it was free.
Good value really.
--
Mike Reid
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Spain walking, food, tourism "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk"
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_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>Usually when I'm canal walking, I try and end near a different rail line
>to the one I started on
did you mean that, isn't it better to be on the same one? I find
canals and river walks are easily train supported as they often follow
the same route. When we did the Thames we came back by train, the
first local service couldn't sell us a through ticket and we never saw
anybody else, the barrier at Waterloo was deserted, so it was free.
Good value really.
--
Mike Reid
UK walking, food, photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
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May 14th 2007, 1:25 am
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Re: Travel: the new tobacco
Make credence recognised that on Mon, 14 May 2007 11:31:30 +0100,
[email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) has scripted:
>The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 13 May 2007 19:13:37 GMT, "William Black"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >"I'm now rich. I've made my money by telling people all about fascinating
>> >and remote places but these days I can't go anywhere to spend my shed loads
>> >of cash without running into all these ghastly backpacker type people
>> >lugging my bloody books about. Let's ban em fast before they ruin my
>> >holidays".
>> >
>> >The words 'gross hypocrisy' somehow spring into my mind.
>>
>> its not just backpackers, its the cheap weekend flights to foreign
>> capitals, holiday homes abroad and what happens when the Chinese and
>> Indians are rich enough to start doing the same?
>
>Far bigger impact on the environment will be when they're all driving as
>much as in western countries.
Possibly not, given their vehicles would be cleaner running.
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[email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) has scripted:
>The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 13 May 2007 19:13:37 GMT, "William Black"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >"I'm now rich. I've made my money by telling people all about fascinating
>> >and remote places but these days I can't go anywhere to spend my shed loads
>> >of cash without running into all these ghastly backpacker type people
>> >lugging my bloody books about. Let's ban em fast before they ruin my
>> >holidays".
>> >
>> >The words 'gross hypocrisy' somehow spring into my mind.
>>
>> its not just backpackers, its the cheap weekend flights to foreign
>> capitals, holiday homes abroad and what happens when the Chinese and
>> Indians are rich enough to start doing the same?
>
>Far bigger impact on the environment will be when they're all driving as
>much as in western countries.
Possibly not, given their vehicles would be cleaner running.
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DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com
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May 14th 2007, 1:59 am
#15
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Re: Travel: the new tobacco
On Mon, 14 May 2007 15:25:44 +0200, Deeply Filled Mortician
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>>Far bigger impact on the environment will be when they're all driving as
>>much as in western countries.
>
>Possibly not, given their vehicles would be cleaner running.
have you seen the age of some of the designs they use in the 3rd
world?
Cars will become non polluting in Europe or California or somewhere
first. Then elsewhere. Maybe one day planes will follow.
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Mike Reid
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<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>>Far bigger impact on the environment will be when they're all driving as
>>much as in western countries.
>
>Possibly not, given their vehicles would be cleaner running.
have you seen the age of some of the designs they use in the 3rd
world?
Cars will become non polluting in Europe or California or somewhere
first. Then elsewhere. Maybe one day planes will follow.
--
Mike Reid
UK walking, food, photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Spain walking, food, tourism "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk"
Beginners UK flight sim addons "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk"
