Tidal Causeways

Old Aug 16th 2007, 1:57 pm
  #76  
-Martin
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Tidal Causeways

On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:49:58 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

>The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Following up to The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >>And anybody who has seen a cartoon will recognise it as a graphic.
>> >
>> >obviously
>>
>> actually as you are being snooty about it, ill point out it *is* a
>> photo, that's why its so realistic.
>
>Who said it was realistic? Not me. Fly from Kirkwall to Sumburgh in a
>real aircraft, and compare it with the "photos" used in FS.
>
>Given you're a photographer, it's hard not to laugh at that.

I admit I had a quick snigger up my sleeve.
--

Martin
 
Old Aug 16th 2007, 1:59 pm
  #77  
The Reid
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Tidal Causeways

Following up to [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
(*)) wrote:

>> actually as you are being snooty about it, ill point out it *is* a
>> photo, that's why its so realistic.
>
>Who said it was realistic? Not me.

if you knew the ELD better, you would realise how accurate the photo
from the Tiger Moth is. Or this one of Blencathra
"http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk/blencathra.htm"

Any hillwalker can "fly" round the ELD and not get lost on simple
immediate visual recognition, right down to footpaths.

>Fly from Kirkwall to Sumburgh in a
>real aircraft, and compare it with the "photos" used in FS.

the ELD is arial *photos*, no quotes are needed

>Given you're a photographer, it's hard not to laugh at that.

You are sneering actually. Its a mistake to pick up Martins know it
all condescending attitude to anything and everything.
--
Mike
(remove clothing to email)
 
Old Aug 16th 2007, 2:06 pm
  #78  
The Reid
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Tidal Causeways

Following up to [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
(*)) wrote:

>> of course its a simulation of flying, just not a pilot training one
>
>It's not a simulation of flying, any more than looking at a porn film is
>a simulation of sex. I mean that quite seriously, and I think when you
>think about it, you'll see why.

how very condescending. Actually MS put a lot of effort into the
flying side. For a modest PC application its quite good. Nobody thinks
its a pro flight simulator, or did before you started sneering, but it
(with addons) is remarkably realistic in the scenery area.

>I've got nothing against Microsoft FS by
>the way- I'm sure it's great fun.

I dont find it that much fun, but I find the representation of the
mountains excellent

>Even the one I played with in 2003 was
>enjoyable, and the graphics were _much_ more rudimentary then.

"played with"....OK we all know its not a pro sim, just drop the "ive
been in a real plane" attitude.
--
Mike
(remove clothing to email)
 
Old Aug 16th 2007, 2:06 pm
  #79  
David Horne
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Tidal Causeways

The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:

> Following up to [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
> (*)) wrote:
>
> >> actually as you are being snooty about it, ill point out it *is* a
> >> photo, that's why its so realistic.
> >
> >Who said it was realistic? Not me.
>
> if you knew the ELD better,

Who is snooty now?

> you would realise how accurate the photo
> from the Tiger Moth is.

Oh dear. It's more accurate than a picture of a a few green triangles.
I'll agree with you on that.

> Or this one of Blencathra
> "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk/blencathra.htm"

My, I almost feel as though I'm there!

> Any hillwalker can "fly" round the ELD and not get lost on simple
> immediate visual recognition, right down to footpaths.

I can navigate my way on google earth by following rivers, footpaths,
railways whatever. It still doesn't simulate being suspended 400 feet
above the earth's surface.

> >Fly from Kirkwall to Sumburgh in a
> >real aircraft, and compare it with the "photos" used in FS.
>
> the ELD is arial *photos*, no quotes are needed

No, the programme is manipulating photographs heavily. That's why it's,
well, not a photograph,

> >Given you're a photographer, it's hard not to laugh at that.
>
> You are sneering actually. Its a mistake to pick up Martins know it
> all condescending attitude to anything and everything.

If I'm condescending for saying that looking into a screen and seeing
poor resolution graphics of computerised drawings of landscapes and
buildings is not a bit like flight simulation, then so be it.

--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Ex-Pres. Blair- May, 2007
 
Old Aug 16th 2007, 2:10 pm
  #80  
David Horne
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Tidal Causeways

The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:

> Following up to [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
> (*)) wrote:
>
> >> of course its a simulation of flying, just not a pilot training one
> >
> >It's not a simulation of flying, any more than looking at a porn film is
> >a simulation of sex. I mean that quite seriously, and I think when you
> >think about it, you'll see why.
>
> how very condescending.

Really?

> Actually MS put a lot of effort into the
> flying side.

So do other flight games.

> For a modest PC application its quite good.

Who said it was a bad programme?

> Nobody thinks
> its a pro flight simulator,

Good.

> or did before you started sneering, but it
> (with addons) is remarkably realistic in the scenery area.


>
> >I've got nothing against Microsoft FS by
> >the way- I'm sure it's great fun.
>
> I dont find it that much fun,

So why have you used it so much.

> but I find the representation of the
> mountains excellent

I think they're better than they used to be- that's all.

> >Even the one I played with in 2003 was
> >enjoyable, and the graphics were _much_ more rudimentary then.
>
> "played with"....OK we all know its not a pro sim, just drop the "ive
> been in a real plane" attitude.

It's as a counterargument to any notion that it has anything to do with
flying.

--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Ex-Pres. Blair- May, 2007
 
Old Aug 16th 2007, 2:18 pm
  #81  
-Martin
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Tidal Causeways

On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:06:46 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

>The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Following up to [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
>> (*)) wrote:
>>
>> >> actually as you are being snooty about it, ill point out it *is* a
>> >> photo, that's why its so realistic.
>> >
>> >Who said it was realistic? Not me.
>>
>> if you knew the ELD better,
>
>Who is snooty now?
>
>> you would realise how accurate the photo
>> from the Tiger Moth is.
>
>Oh dear. It's more accurate than a picture of a a few green triangles.
>I'll agree with you on that.
>
>> Or this one of Blencathra
>> "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk/blencathra.htm"
>
>My, I almost feel as though I'm there!
>
>> Any hillwalker can "fly" round the ELD and not get lost on simple
>> immediate visual recognition, right down to footpaths.
>
>I can navigate my way on google earth by following rivers, footpaths,
>railways whatever. It still doesn't simulate being suspended 400 feet
>above the earth's surface.
>
>> >Fly from Kirkwall to Sumburgh in a
>> >real aircraft, and compare it with the "photos" used in FS.
>>
>> the ELD is arial *photos*, no quotes are needed
>
>No, the programme is manipulating photographs heavily. That's why it's,
>well, not a photograph,
>
>> >Given you're a photographer, it's hard not to laugh at that.
>>
>> You are sneering actually. Its a mistake to pick up Martins know it
>> all condescending attitude to anything and everything.

Martin & David know more than iReid, perhaps not all.

>
>If I'm condescending for saying that looking into a screen and seeing
>poor resolution graphics of computerised drawings of landscapes and
>buildings is not a bit like flight simulation, then so be it.

It's especially not at all like real flight. With the spare time he has on his
hands maybe Mike might like to try the real thing or even gliding?
--

Martin
 
Old Aug 16th 2007, 2:20 pm
  #82  
David Horne
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Tidal Causeways

Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:06:46 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
> chancellor (*)) wrote:
[]
> >If I'm condescending for saying that looking into a screen and seeing
> >poor resolution graphics of computerised drawings of landscapes and
> >buildings is not a bit like flight simulation, then so be it.
>
> It's especially not at all like real flight. With the spare time he has on his
> hands maybe Mike might like to try the real thing or even gliding?

I'd love to try gliding... hang-gliding even more...

--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Ex-Pres. Blair- May, 2007
 
Old Aug 16th 2007, 2:21 pm
  #83  
The Reid
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Tidal Causeways

Following up to [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
(*)) wrote:


>Oh dear. It's more accurate than a picture of a a few green triangles.
>I'll agree with you on that.

its a photo draped over + 19m gap contour data

>> Or this one of Blencathra
>> "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk/blencathra.htm"
>
>My, I almost feel as though I'm there!

if you knew Blencathra, you would say its very accurate. That is the
point.

>> Any hillwalker can "fly" round the ELD and not get lost on simple
>> immediate visual recognition, right down to footpaths.
>
>I can navigate my way on google earth by following rivers, footpaths,
>railways whatever. It still doesn't simulate being suspended 400 feet
>above the earth's surface.

of course it doesnt, its breathtaking that you think I dont realise
that.

>No, the programme is manipulating photographs heavily. That's why it's,
>well, not a photograph,

obviously they are stretched to fit, still a photo source.

>> >Given you're a photographer, it's hard not to laugh at that.
>>
>> You are sneering actually. Its a mistake to pick up Martins know it
>> all condescending attitude to anything and everything.
>
>If I'm condescending for saying that looking into a screen and seeing
>poor resolution graphics of computerised drawings of landscapes and
>buildings is not a bit like flight simulation, then so be it.

exactly, that is condescending because its f***** obvious.
--
Mike
(remove clothing to email)
 
Old Aug 16th 2007, 2:24 pm
  #84  
The Reid
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Tidal Causeways

Following up to [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
(*)) wrote:

>> I dont find it that much fun,
>
>So why have you used it so much.

for the mountains

>> but I find the representation of the
>> mountains excellent
>
>I think they're better than they used to be- that's all.

In think they are **excellent** and I know the mountains a lot better
than you (many other hillwalkers do too) Even the real time weather is
pretty good.

>> >Even the one I played with in 2003 was
>> >enjoyable, and the graphics were _much_ more rudimentary then.
>>
>> "played with"....OK we all know its not a pro sim, just drop the "ive
>> been in a real plane" attitude.
>
>It's as a counterargument to any notion that it has anything to do with
>flying.

there you go again. Perhaps you dont understand what computer
simulation means?
--
Mike
(remove clothing to email)
 
Old Aug 16th 2007, 2:26 pm
  #85  
-Martin
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Tidal Causeways

On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:20:57 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:06:46 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>[]
>> >If I'm condescending for saying that looking into a screen and seeing
>> >poor resolution graphics of computerised drawings of landscapes and
>> >buildings is not a bit like flight simulation, then so be it.
>>
>> It's especially not at all like real flight. With the spare time he has on his
>> hands maybe Mike might like to try the real thing or even gliding?
>
>I'd love to try gliding... hang-gliding even more...

There must be somewhere near you? There is a list here
http://www.touristnetuk.com/NW/manch...ying/index.asp

I think I would take up gliding if I was in UK, but not hang or para- gliding.

AFAIR the nearest place I could have gliding lessons is a couple of hours drive
away.
--

Martin
 
Old Aug 16th 2007, 2:28 pm
  #86  
The Reid
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Tidal Causeways

Following up to The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:

> It still doesn't simulate being suspended 400 feet
>>above the earth's surface.

does a full on, million pound+ one do that? No.
--
Mike
(remove clothing to email)
 
Old Aug 16th 2007, 2:28 pm
  #87  
David Horne
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Tidal Causeways

The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:

> Following up to [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
> (*)) wrote:
>
>
> >Oh dear. It's more accurate than a picture of a a few green triangles.
> >I'll agree with you on that.
>
> its a photo draped over + 19m gap contour data

And it looks nothing like a photo- more like an OKish graphic.

> >> Or this one of Blencathra
> >> "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk/blencathra.htm"
> >
> >My, I almost feel as though I'm there!
>
> if you knew Blencathra, you would say its very accurate. That is the
> point.

it's not accuracy, it's realism. You could have a beautifully accurate
pencil drawing, and recognise the feautures, but you still know it's a
pencil drawing, beautiful though that may be in its own right.
>
> >> Any hillwalker can "fly" round the ELD and not get lost on simple
> >> immediate visual recognition, right down to footpaths.
> >
> >I can navigate my way on google earth by following rivers, footpaths,
> >railways whatever. It still doesn't simulate being suspended 400 feet
> >above the earth's surface.
>
> of course it doesnt, its breathtaking that you think I dont realise
> that.

It's relevant, because the quality of the image (and google earth is
pretty good in some places) doesn't make the experience suddenly
'realistic' of anything.
>
> >No, the programme is manipulating photographs heavily. That's why it's,
> >well, not a photograph,
>
> obviously they are stretched to fit, still a photo source.

Which doesn't matter, given how non-realistic it looks.

[]
> >> You are sneering actually. Its a mistake to pick up Martins know it
> >> all condescending attitude to anything and everything.
> >
> >If I'm condescending for saying that looking into a screen and seeing
> >poor resolution graphics of computerised drawings of landscapes and
> >buildings is not a bit like flight simulation, then so be it.
>
> exactly, that is condescending because its f***** obvious.

Well I'm glad we agree on something.

--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Ex-Pres. Blair- May, 2007
 
Old Aug 16th 2007, 2:32 pm
  #88  
David Horne
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Tidal Causeways

The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:

> Following up to [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
> (*)) wrote:
[]
> >I think they're better than they used to be- that's all.
>
> In think they are **excellent** and I know the mountains a lot better
> than you

There you go again.

--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Ex-Pres. Blair- May, 2007
 
Old Aug 16th 2007, 2:32 pm
  #89  
David Horne
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Tidal Causeways

Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:20:57 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
> chancellor (*)) wrote:
[]
> >
> >I'd love to try gliding... hang-gliding even more...
>
> There must be somewhere near you?

There must be plenty, but it's one of those things I'd love to try, and
may very well never get round to it. There were plenty in Edale one of
the times I was there.

> There is a list here
> http://www.touristnetuk.com/NW/manch...ying/index.asp
>
> I think I would take up gliding if I was in UK, but not hang or para-
> gliding.
>
> AFAIR the nearest place I could have gliding lessons is a couple of hours
> drive away.

They don't do it at quiet Schiphol to make extra dosh?

--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Ex-Pres. Blair- May, 2007
 
Old Aug 16th 2007, 2:48 pm
  #90  
-Martin
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Tidal Causeways

On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:32:10 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:20:57 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>[]
>> >
>> >I'd love to try gliding... hang-gliding even more...
>>
>> There must be somewhere near you?
>
>There must be plenty, but it's one of those things I'd love to try, and
>may very well never get round to it. There were plenty in Edale one of
>the times I was there.
>
>> There is a list here
>> http://www.touristnetuk.com/NW/manch...ying/index.asp
>>
>> I think I would take up gliding if I was in UK, but not hang or para-
>> gliding.
>>
>> AFAIR the nearest place I could have gliding lessons is a couple of hours
>> drive away.
>
>They don't do it at quiet Schiphol to make extra dosh?
:-)

Only when they run out of fuel

You can glide from what is left o the old marine airfield two miles away, but
AFAIK you nee own glider and a license,There is another glider site about 5
miles away in the dunes but the same thing applies there too.

I have a retired ex-colleague who must be 70 now, who does acrobatics in a hired
Pitts Special at Lelystad airfield.
Maybe this one
http://www.zap16.com/lelystad%202004...l%20N196JR.jpg
.




3750 reports of dangerous situations at Schiphol in 12 months. In 2008 they
promise to tell us what they were!
--

Martin
 

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.