Switching seats - first class / economy
Oct 16th 2002 | 9:42 am
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Re: Switching seats - first class / economy
[email protected] (brenda) wrote in
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>> that luxurious any more, but the seats ARE wider.
> Huh?? Business Class isn't much better than the seats in economy?
Even City Bird (OK not any more) or Martinair have better seats in
Business than standard airline economy and by more than a little.
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>> that luxurious any more, but the seats ARE wider.
> Huh?? Business Class isn't much better than the seats in economy?
Even City Bird (OK not any more) or Martinair have better seats in
Business than standard airline economy and by more than a little.
Oct 16th 2002 | 10:37 am
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Harvey V wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Oct 2002 04:34:48 GMT, Evelyn Vogt Gamble (Divamanque)
> wrote
> -snip-
>>I fail to see where "business class" is that much better
>>than coach. They may feed you better (although I'm not sure
>>about that), but the seats don't appear to be any roomier
>>than coach, which is the only reason I'd consider paying a
>>higher fare. Aside from the meal service (and airline food
>>is still airline food) even first class doesn't look all
>>that luxurious any more, but the seats ARE wider.
> I think the configurations have changed a lot since you last looked at
> them, Evelyn.
> My wife travelled business class from London to Boston on United last
> December -- a bumped-upgrade thing. There were, I think, 4 or maybe 6
> seats abreast on a 777 -- in the space that they fit 8 or 10 across in
> economy.
Six vs. nine.
> On Wed, 16 Oct 2002 04:34:48 GMT, Evelyn Vogt Gamble (Divamanque)
> wrote
> -snip-
>>I fail to see where "business class" is that much better
>>than coach. They may feed you better (although I'm not sure
>>about that), but the seats don't appear to be any roomier
>>than coach, which is the only reason I'd consider paying a
>>higher fare. Aside from the meal service (and airline food
>>is still airline food) even first class doesn't look all
>>that luxurious any more, but the seats ARE wider.
> I think the configurations have changed a lot since you last looked at
> them, Evelyn.
> My wife travelled business class from London to Boston on United last
> December -- a bumped-upgrade thing. There were, I think, 4 or maybe 6
> seats abreast on a 777 -- in the space that they fit 8 or 10 across in
> economy.
Six vs. nine.
Oct 16th 2002 | 12:50 pm
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In article ,
devil wrote:
> Harvey V wrote:
> > On Wed, 16 Oct 2002 04:34:48 GMT, Evelyn Vogt Gamble (Divamanque)
> > wrote
> >
> > -snip-
> >
> >
> >>I fail to see where "business class" is that much better
> >>than coach. They may feed you better (although I'm not sure
> >>about that), but the seats don't appear to be any roomier
> >>than coach, which is the only reason I'd consider paying a
> >>higher fare. Aside from the meal service (and airline food
> >>is still airline food) even first class doesn't look all
> >>that luxurious any more, but the seats ARE wider.
> >
> >
> > I think the configurations have changed a lot since you last looked at
> > them, Evelyn.
> >
> > My wife travelled business class from London to Boston on United last
> > December -- a bumped-upgrade thing. There were, I think, 4 or maybe 6
> > seats abreast on a 777 -- in the space that they fit 8 or 10 across in
> > economy.
> Six vs. nine.
only a few airlines offer 6-abreast BC in 777s. Most of them are 9.
FWIW, this is the typical configuration
Aircraft FC BC EC Charter
767 5 6 7 8
777 6 7 9-10 10
747 4-6 7 10-11
DC-10/MD-11 6 7 9
A300/10/30/40 6 6 8
devil wrote:
> Harvey V wrote:
> > On Wed, 16 Oct 2002 04:34:48 GMT, Evelyn Vogt Gamble (Divamanque)
> > wrote
> >
> > -snip-
> >
> >
> >>I fail to see where "business class" is that much better
> >>than coach. They may feed you better (although I'm not sure
> >>about that), but the seats don't appear to be any roomier
> >>than coach, which is the only reason I'd consider paying a
> >>higher fare. Aside from the meal service (and airline food
> >>is still airline food) even first class doesn't look all
> >>that luxurious any more, but the seats ARE wider.
> >
> >
> > I think the configurations have changed a lot since you last looked at
> > them, Evelyn.
> >
> > My wife travelled business class from London to Boston on United last
> > December -- a bumped-upgrade thing. There were, I think, 4 or maybe 6
> > seats abreast on a 777 -- in the space that they fit 8 or 10 across in
> > economy.
> Six vs. nine.
only a few airlines offer 6-abreast BC in 777s. Most of them are 9.
FWIW, this is the typical configuration
Aircraft FC BC EC Charter
767 5 6 7 8
777 6 7 9-10 10
747 4-6 7 10-11
DC-10/MD-11 6 7 9
A300/10/30/40 6 6 8
Oct 16th 2002 | 1:49 pm
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On 16 Oct 2002 14:11:43 -0700, [email protected] (brenda) told us:
>Huh?? Business Class isn't much better than the seats in economy? On
>BA, they make into beds - I consider that a whole lot better. Delta's
>BusinessElite is amazing - seats almost recline fully. I don't know
>of any transatlantic carrier where Business class isn't about 1 1/2
>times the size & leg room of econ - minimum.
>Most economy class seats are 3 5 3
I've never heard of 3 5 3. Most 747s are 3 4 3, and MD11s and 777s
either 2 5 2 or 3 3 3. On Airbus wide-bodies 2 4 2, on 767s 2 3 2.
>Huh?? Business Class isn't much better than the seats in economy? On
>BA, they make into beds - I consider that a whole lot better. Delta's
>BusinessElite is amazing - seats almost recline fully. I don't know
>of any transatlantic carrier where Business class isn't about 1 1/2
>times the size & leg room of econ - minimum.
>Most economy class seats are 3 5 3
I've never heard of 3 5 3. Most 747s are 3 4 3, and MD11s and 777s
either 2 5 2 or 3 3 3. On Airbus wide-bodies 2 4 2, on 767s 2 3 2.
Oct 16th 2002 | 2:08 pm
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Not the Karl Orff wrote:
> In article ,
> devil wrote:
>>Harvey V wrote:
>>>On Wed, 16 Oct 2002 04:34:48 GMT, Evelyn Vogt Gamble (Divamanque)
>>>wrote
>>>-snip-
>>>>I fail to see where "business class" is that much better
>>>>than coach. They may feed you better (although I'm not sure
>>>>about that), but the seats don't appear to be any roomier
>>>>than coach, which is the only reason I'd consider paying a
>>>>higher fare. Aside from the meal service (and airline food
>>>>is still airline food) even first class doesn't look all
>>>>that luxurious any more, but the seats ARE wider.
>>>I think the configurations have changed a lot since you last looked at
>>>them, Evelyn.
>>>My wife travelled business class from London to Boston on United last
>>>December -- a bumped-upgrade thing. There were, I think, 4 or maybe 6
>>>seats abreast on a 777 -- in the space that they fit 8 or 10 across in
>>>economy.
>>Six vs. nine.
> only a few airlines offer 6-abreast BC in 777s. Most of them are 9.
> FWIW, this is the typical configuration
> Aircraft FC BC EC Charter
> 767 5 6 7 8
> 777 6 7 9-10 10
> 747 4-6 7 10-11
> DC-10/MD-11 6 7 9
> A300/10/30/40 6 6 8
Of course, you are right, on UA it's 2-3-2. Memory playing tricks :-(...
> In article ,
> devil wrote:
>>Harvey V wrote:
>>>On Wed, 16 Oct 2002 04:34:48 GMT, Evelyn Vogt Gamble (Divamanque)
>>>wrote
>>>-snip-
>>>>I fail to see where "business class" is that much better
>>>>than coach. They may feed you better (although I'm not sure
>>>>about that), but the seats don't appear to be any roomier
>>>>than coach, which is the only reason I'd consider paying a
>>>>higher fare. Aside from the meal service (and airline food
>>>>is still airline food) even first class doesn't look all
>>>>that luxurious any more, but the seats ARE wider.
>>>I think the configurations have changed a lot since you last looked at
>>>them, Evelyn.
>>>My wife travelled business class from London to Boston on United last
>>>December -- a bumped-upgrade thing. There were, I think, 4 or maybe 6
>>>seats abreast on a 777 -- in the space that they fit 8 or 10 across in
>>>economy.
>>Six vs. nine.
> only a few airlines offer 6-abreast BC in 777s. Most of them are 9.
> FWIW, this is the typical configuration
> Aircraft FC BC EC Charter
> 767 5 6 7 8
> 777 6 7 9-10 10
> 747 4-6 7 10-11
> DC-10/MD-11 6 7 9
> A300/10/30/40 6 6 8
Of course, you are right, on UA it's 2-3-2. Memory playing tricks :-(...
Oct 16th 2002 | 3:24 pm
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"Tom R." wrote:
> We flew business class on the day flight last month to London. The seats
> were alternately front and rear facing. The woman in front of me put her
> seat into the completely prone position and she slept the entire flight. I
> used the seat in several positions from nap to reading. It was a terrific
> seat and far superior to coach. BA also has a World Traveler Plus section in
> which the seats are slightly wider and have more space although no where
> near business class. However, for more room in coach, AA has the best room
> now that it has deleted rows.
Yes, I'd just about reached that conclusion,too. Certainly
the BA flights to and from London, when I went to Brussels
in June, were MUCH too narrow in the shoulder area for such
a long trip! (Oddly enough, the BA airbus flights between
LHR and BRU had considerably more comfortable seating.)
> We flew business class on the day flight last month to London. The seats
> were alternately front and rear facing. The woman in front of me put her
> seat into the completely prone position and she slept the entire flight. I
> used the seat in several positions from nap to reading. It was a terrific
> seat and far superior to coach. BA also has a World Traveler Plus section in
> which the seats are slightly wider and have more space although no where
> near business class. However, for more room in coach, AA has the best room
> now that it has deleted rows.
Yes, I'd just about reached that conclusion,too. Certainly
the BA flights to and from London, when I went to Brussels
in June, were MUCH too narrow in the shoulder area for such
a long trip! (Oddly enough, the BA airbus flights between
LHR and BRU had considerably more comfortable seating.)
Oct 16th 2002 | 3:33 pm
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Paul Tauger wrote:
> You're probably looking only at domestic US business/first class seats.
You're right, I was. On overseas flights I'm usually too
concerned with getting my one small carry-on into an
overhead bin (before all the bin hogs monopolize them), to
really look at the area I'm passing through. (And the
aisles are still plenty narrow, when you're carrying a
duffel bag, a purse and a coat!)
> You're probably looking only at domestic US business/first class seats.
You're right, I was. On overseas flights I'm usually too
concerned with getting my one small carry-on into an
overhead bin (before all the bin hogs monopolize them), to
really look at the area I'm passing through. (And the
aisles are still plenty narrow, when you're carrying a
duffel bag, a purse and a coat!)
Oct 16th 2002 | 8:46 pm
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> >Most economy class seats are 3 5 3
> I've never heard of 3 5 3. Most 747s are 3 4 3, and MD11s and 777s
> either 2 5 2 or 3 3 3.
Add 2-4-3 to your list of MD11's (KLM)
On Airbus wide-bodies 2 4 2, on 767s 2 3 2.
> I've never heard of 3 5 3. Most 747s are 3 4 3, and MD11s and 777s
> either 2 5 2 or 3 3 3.
Add 2-4-3 to your list of MD11's (KLM)
On Airbus wide-bodies 2 4 2, on 767s 2 3 2.
Oct 16th 2002 | 11:00 pm
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Not the Karl Orff wrote in message news:...
> only a few airlines offer 6-abreast BC in 777s. Most of them are 9.
Probably because some airlines, such as CO, REVERSE what they call
BC and F from your classification below, i.e., BC is ALWAYS more
spaceous than FC on CO.
> FWIW, this is the typical configuration
> Aircraft FC BC EC Charter
> 767 5 6 7 8
> 777 6 7 9-10 10
> 747 4-6 7 10-11
> DC-10/MD-11 6 7 9
> A300/10/30/40 6 6 8
For CO, 777 definitely has the 2-2-2 configuration.
CO also has 757 BC, but I am not sure of the exact configuration
of seats, other than it's more spaceous than those 757 with FC
FC seats and FC designation.
-- Bob.
> only a few airlines offer 6-abreast BC in 777s. Most of them are 9.
Probably because some airlines, such as CO, REVERSE what they call
BC and F from your classification below, i.e., BC is ALWAYS more
spaceous than FC on CO.
> FWIW, this is the typical configuration
> Aircraft FC BC EC Charter
> 767 5 6 7 8
> 777 6 7 9-10 10
> 747 4-6 7 10-11
> DC-10/MD-11 6 7 9
> A300/10/30/40 6 6 8
For CO, 777 definitely has the 2-2-2 configuration.
CO also has 757 BC, but I am not sure of the exact configuration
of seats, other than it's more spaceous than those 757 with FC
FC seats and FC designation.
-- Bob.
Oct 17th 2002 | 2:33 am
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devil wrote in message news:...
> Not the Karl Orff wrote:
> > In article ,
> > devil wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Harvey V wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Wed, 16 Oct 2002 04:34:48 GMT, Evelyn Vogt Gamble (Divamanque)
> >>>wrote
> >>>
> >>>-snip-
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>I fail to see where "business class" is that much better
> >>>>than coach. They may feed you better (although I'm not sure
> >>>>about that), but the seats don't appear to be any roomier
> >>>>than coach, which is the only reason I'd consider paying a
> >>>>higher fare. Aside from the meal service (and airline food
> >>>>is still airline food) even first class doesn't look all
> >>>>that luxurious any more, but the seats ARE wider.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>I think the configurations have changed a lot since you last looked at
> >>>them, Evelyn.
> >>>
> >>>My wife travelled business class from London to Boston on United last
> >>>December -- a bumped-upgrade thing. There were, I think, 4 or maybe 6
> >>>seats abreast on a 777 -- in the space that they fit 8 or 10 across in
> >>>economy.
> >>
> >>
> >>Six vs. nine.
> >
> >
> > only a few airlines offer 6-abreast BC in 777s. Most of them are 9.
> >
> > FWIW, this is the typical configuration
> >
> > Aircraft FC BC EC Charter
> > 767 5 6 7 8
> > 777 6 7 9-10 10
> > 747 4-6 7 10-11
> > DC-10/MD-11 6 7 9
> > A300/10/30/40 6 6 8
> Of course, you are right, on UA it's 2-3-2. Memory playing tricks :-(...
FC AA 777 in the new Flagship Suite configuration is 1-2-1. That's a nice ride.
> Not the Karl Orff wrote:
> > In article ,
> > devil wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Harvey V wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Wed, 16 Oct 2002 04:34:48 GMT, Evelyn Vogt Gamble (Divamanque)
> >>>wrote
> >>>
> >>>-snip-
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>I fail to see where "business class" is that much better
> >>>>than coach. They may feed you better (although I'm not sure
> >>>>about that), but the seats don't appear to be any roomier
> >>>>than coach, which is the only reason I'd consider paying a
> >>>>higher fare. Aside from the meal service (and airline food
> >>>>is still airline food) even first class doesn't look all
> >>>>that luxurious any more, but the seats ARE wider.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>I think the configurations have changed a lot since you last looked at
> >>>them, Evelyn.
> >>>
> >>>My wife travelled business class from London to Boston on United last
> >>>December -- a bumped-upgrade thing. There were, I think, 4 or maybe 6
> >>>seats abreast on a 777 -- in the space that they fit 8 or 10 across in
> >>>economy.
> >>
> >>
> >>Six vs. nine.
> >
> >
> > only a few airlines offer 6-abreast BC in 777s. Most of them are 9.
> >
> > FWIW, this is the typical configuration
> >
> > Aircraft FC BC EC Charter
> > 767 5 6 7 8
> > 777 6 7 9-10 10
> > 747 4-6 7 10-11
> > DC-10/MD-11 6 7 9
> > A300/10/30/40 6 6 8
> Of course, you are right, on UA it's 2-3-2. Memory playing tricks :-(...
FC AA 777 in the new Flagship Suite configuration is 1-2-1. That's a nice ride.
Oct 17th 2002 | 3:31 am
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[email protected] (amp_spamfree) wrote:
> FC AA 777 in the new Flagship Suite configuration is 1-2-1. That's a nice
> ride.
That's for the Atlantic fleet. Pacific fleet is 6 abreast. AA is
supposed to be moving toward a single-777 configuration but no one is
sure whether flagship suites will stay or not.
FWIW, the Club World beds on BA are 8 abreast in both 747s and 777s.
That's the highest BC density, widthwise, in a long time.
[email protected] (amp_spamfree) wrote:
> FC AA 777 in the new Flagship Suite configuration is 1-2-1. That's a nice
> ride.
That's for the Atlantic fleet. Pacific fleet is 6 abreast. AA is
supposed to be moving toward a single-777 configuration but no one is
sure whether flagship suites will stay or not.
FWIW, the Club World beds on BA are 8 abreast in both 747s and 777s.
That's the highest BC density, widthwise, in a long time.
Oct 17th 2002 | 4:03 am
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> FWIW, the Club World beds on BA are 8 abreast in both 747s and 777s.
> That's the highest BC density, widthwise, in a long time.
Does that mean you risk kicking your neighbour in your sleep ?
> That's the highest BC density, widthwise, in a long time.
Does that mean you risk kicking your neighbour in your sleep ?
Oct 17th 2002 | 4:10 am
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"Not the Karl Orff" wrote in message
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> In article ,
> "Miss L.Toe" wrote:
> > >
> > > FWIW, the Club World beds on BA are 8 abreast in both 747s and 777s.
> > > That's the highest BC density, widthwise, in a long time.
> >
> > Does that mean you risk kicking your neighbour in your sleep ?
> yes, in the head, if you manage to get your leg over the partition.
You mean they pack 'em in head to toe like sardines in a can ??
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> In article ,
> "Miss L.Toe" wrote:
> > >
> > > FWIW, the Club World beds on BA are 8 abreast in both 747s and 777s.
> > > That's the highest BC density, widthwise, in a long time.
> >
> > Does that mean you risk kicking your neighbour in your sleep ?
> yes, in the head, if you manage to get your leg over the partition.
You mean they pack 'em in head to toe like sardines in a can ??
Oct 17th 2002 | 4:11 am
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In article ,
"Miss L.Toe" wrote:
> >
> > FWIW, the Club World beds on BA are 8 abreast in both 747s and 777s.
> > That's the highest BC density, widthwise, in a long time.
> Does that mean you risk kicking your neighbour in your sleep ?
yes, in the head, if you manage to get your leg over the partition.
"Miss L.Toe" wrote:
> >
> > FWIW, the Club World beds on BA are 8 abreast in both 747s and 777s.
> > That's the highest BC density, widthwise, in a long time.
> Does that mean you risk kicking your neighbour in your sleep ?
yes, in the head, if you manage to get your leg over the partition.
Oct 17th 2002 | 10:39 am
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"Miss L.Toe" wrote:
> "Not the Karl Orff" wrote in message
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> [email protected] ...
> > In article ,
> > "Miss L.Toe" wrote:
> >
> > > >
> > > > FWIW, the Club World beds on BA are 8 abreast in both 747s and 777s.
> > > > That's the highest BC density, widthwise, in a long time.
> > >
> > > Does that mean you risk kicking your neighbour in your sleep ?
> >
> > yes, in the head, if you manage to get your leg over the partition.
> You mean they pack 'em in head to toe like sardines in a can ??
But.. the pitch is outstanding...........
I wouldn't mind a full lay on a overnight flight
> "Not the Karl Orff" wrote in message
> news:canwine-EC050-
> [email protected] ...
> > In article ,
> > "Miss L.Toe" wrote:
> >
> > > >
> > > > FWIW, the Club World beds on BA are 8 abreast in both 747s and 777s.
> > > > That's the highest BC density, widthwise, in a long time.
> > >
> > > Does that mean you risk kicking your neighbour in your sleep ?
> >
> > yes, in the head, if you manage to get your leg over the partition.
> You mean they pack 'em in head to toe like sardines in a can ??
But.. the pitch is outstanding...........
I wouldn't mind a full lay on a overnight flight
