Re: Socialized medicine UK: Most Brits have to win the lottery to get knees fixed
 

Make credence recognised that on Thu, 16 Aug 2007 09:41:31 +1000, Alan
S <[email protected]> has scripted:

>On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 19:28:55 +0200, Doesn't Frequently Mop
><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>
>>>With 225K MDs, but half of them foreigners, that is serious fundamental
>>>problem... the UK needs to pay more to attract native MDs... but that
>>>is the problem w/ all health care... there just isn't enough coin to go
>>>around.
>>
>>The problem is foreign doctors? What makes all those Aussie, Kiwi and
>>Seffie doctors such a fundamental problem?
>>--
>
>You've stolen our doctors? I wondered why my local surgery
>is staffed by a Chinese, an Indian and a Pakistani. Who are
>all excellent docs BTW.

Just a really odd, probably really racist view from Go Fig. I wouldn't
trust a British doctor anymore than a non British one.
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Re: Socialized medicine UK: Most Brits have to win the lottery to
 

John Kulp wrote:
>
> Sorry, but that is only partially true. Lots of free operations are
> done by docs here and hospitals write off lots of them as well every
> year. Not everyone would get it, that's true, but this is a lot lower
> number that most foreigners think. Just like lawyers do pro bono
> work. So some do and some don't. I'm not arguing this is the best
> way, btw, because I am for universal coverage. My aim in these
> discussions is to get rid of the myths about our system and point out
> that others have lots of flaws of their own.

Slightly off-topic, but did I read recently that a woman collapsed in a
U.S.hospital waiting room and the watching medical staff refused help,
just stood watching, and the woman's companion actally had to call 911
to get medical treatment? I wondered at the time whether the reason was
that she had no insurance cover. I believe the woman eventually died.

Re: Socialized medicine UK: Most Brits have to win the lottery to
 

Alan S wrote:
>
> So, I think you grossly underestimate the problem. I meet
> too many people, on the net and physically in my travels,
> who have been bankrupted, or gone close to it, by the cost
> of care. People who have lost homes, retirement funds, all
> their assets to be able to afford appropriate treatment for
> chronic or life-threatening conditions. And the catch-22 of
> those whose health coverage is related to their employment
> but who lost their jobs - and that coverage - because of a
> chronic health condition. Those who CAN afford it get
> wonderful health care, but just read some of the current
> threads on those groups discussing Michael Moore's "Sicko"
> (using that as the trigger for discussion, not the merits of
> the movie itself).

Here is a relevant story on this subject.

"When staying alive means going bankrupt"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20201807/

Re: Socialized medicine UK: Most Brits have to win the lottery to get knees fixed
 

On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 18:05:28 +0100, mike o'sullivan <[email protected]>
wrote:

>John Kulp wrote:
>>
>>> The US Webster's dictionary includes that British
>>> definition, see 3.a:
>>> http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionar...rch&va=surgery
>>
>> Thanks. I thought that was probably the case. I wonder if it
>> originated way back when they thought cutting up someone (or leeching
>> them) was the way to treat everything.
>
>I believe that leeches are making a comeback. Apparently they are useful
>for treating open wounds, and prevent gangrene.

Absolutely true now that they have learned how to use them properly.
They apparently have a strong anticoagulant in their saliva (or
whatever it is) that keeps the blood flowing. Ugly little creatures
though.

Another interesting one is curare which South America indians us in
their hunting, which is being us as anathesia nowadays

Re: Socialized medicine UK: Most Brits have to win the lottery to get knees fixed
 

On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 18:12:14 +0100, mike o'sullivan <[email protected]>
wrote:

>John Kulp wrote:
>>
>> Sorry, but that is only partially true. Lots of free operations are
>> done by docs here and hospitals write off lots of them as well every
>> year. Not everyone would get it, that's true, but this is a lot lower
>> number that most foreigners think. Just like lawyers do pro bono
>> work. So some do and some don't. I'm not arguing this is the best
>> way, btw, because I am for universal coverage. My aim in these
>> discussions is to get rid of the myths about our system and point out
>> that others have lots of flaws of their own.
>
>Slightly off-topic, but did I read recently that a woman collapsed in a
>U.S.hospital waiting room and the watching medical staff refused help,
>just stood watching, and the woman's companion actally had to call 911
>to get medical treatment? I wondered at the time whether the reason was
>that she had no insurance cover. I believe the woman eventually died.

Where is that reported? Here are a couple for you:

Wednesday, December 30, 1998

Pregnant woman dies after being refused treatment
EXPRESS NEWS SERVICE
BANGALORE, Dec 29: In a tragic incident, Santhi (28), a pregnant woman
in advanced stages of labour pain, died on the way to the hospital
after two other hospitals refused to treat her. Santhi was taken to
the K C General Hospital in Malleswaram for treatment where the staff
refused to admit her on account of skeletal staff. Later a private
maternity home in Rajajinagar refused to treat her stating that it did
not have sufficient equipments to deal with such cases. They suggested
that she be admitted to the St Martha's hospital some five kilometres
from here. But Santhi died on the way to St Martha's hospital.

Take note Blacko.

Japan: Pregnant Woman Dies After Being Refused for Treatment

News Â? A pregnant woman who fell into a coma while giving birth died
after a six hour delay due to being refused for treatment. 18
hospitals denied her treatment prior to admittance at the National
Cardiovascular Center in Suita, Osaka.

Re: Socialized medicine UK: Most Brits have to win the lottery to get knees fixed
 

Make credence recognised that on Thu, 16 Aug 2007 01:42:52 GMT,
[email protected] (John Kulp) has scripted:

>You mean like the so called doctor saying F this and F that?

Sorry, but you have lost John. Your wit's end isn't up to it.
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Re: Socialized medicine UK: Most Brits have to win the lottery to
 

John Kulp wrote:
>
> Absolutely true now that they have learned how to use them properly.
> They apparently have a strong anticoagulant in their saliva (or
> whatever it is) that keeps the blood flowing. Ugly little creatures
> though.
>
> Another interesting one is curare which South America indians us in
> their hunting, which is being us as anathesia nowadays.

Reminds me of a Ronnie Scott joke - "Our chef is world famous. Pygmies
come round the world just to dip their spears in his soup"!

Re: Socialized medicine UK: Most Brits have to win the lottery to get knees fixed
 

On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 18:19:12 +0100, mike o'sullivan
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Alan S wrote:
>>
>> So, I think you grossly underestimate the problem. I meet
>> too many people, on the net and physically in my travels,
>> who have been bankrupted, or gone close to it, by the cost
>> of care. People who have lost homes, retirement funds, all
>> their assets to be able to afford appropriate treatment for
>> chronic or life-threatening conditions. And the catch-22 of
>> those whose health coverage is related to their employment
>> but who lost their jobs - and that coverage - because of a
>> chronic health condition. Those who CAN afford it get
>> wonderful health care, but just read some of the current
>> threads on those groups discussing Michael Moore's "Sicko"
>> (using that as the trigger for discussion, not the merits of
>> the movie itself).
>
>Here is a relevant story on this subject.
>
>"When staying alive means going bankrupt"
>
>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20201807/

This link within that story is more frightening for US
readers:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6895896/


Cheers, Alan, Australia
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Re: Socialized medicine UK: Most Brits have to win the lottery to get knees fixed
 

On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 00:22:44 +0200, Doesn't Frequently Mop
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:

>Make credence recognised that on Thu, 16 Aug 2007 01:42:52 GMT,
>[email protected] (John Kulp) has scripted:
>
>>You mean like the so called doctor saying F this and F that?
>
>Sorry, but you have lost John. Your wit's end isn't up to it.

As if I would care. I'm in Copenhagen having fun now.

Re: Socialized medicine UK: Most Brits have to win the lottery to get knees fixed
 

On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 23:58:49 +0100, mike o'sullivan <[email protected]>
wrote:

>John Kulp wrote:
>>
>> Absolutely true now that they have learned how to use them properly.
>> They apparently have a strong anticoagulant in their saliva (or
>> whatever it is) that keeps the blood flowing. Ugly little creatures
>> though.
>>
>> Another interesting one is curare which South America indians us in
>> their hunting, which is being us as anathesia nowadays.
>
>Reminds me of a Ronnie Scott joke - "Our chef is world famous. Pygmies
>come round the world just to dip their spears in his soup"!
>

Clever little devils aren't they?

Re: Socialized medicine UK: Most Brits have to win the lottery to get knees fixed
 

On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 09:33:10 +1000, Alan S <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 18:19:12 +0100, mike o'sullivan
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Alan S wrote:
>>>
>>> So, I think you grossly underestimate the problem. I meet
>>> too many people, on the net and physically in my travels,
>>> who have been bankrupted, or gone close to it, by the cost
>>> of care. People who have lost homes, retirement funds, all
>>> their assets to be able to afford appropriate treatment for
>>> chronic or life-threatening conditions. And the catch-22 of
>>> those whose health coverage is related to their employment
>>> but who lost their jobs - and that coverage - because of a
>>> chronic health condition. Those who CAN afford it get
>>> wonderful health care, but just read some of the current
>>> threads on those groups discussing Michael Moore's "Sicko"
>>> (using that as the trigger for discussion, not the merits of
>>> the movie itself).
>>
>>Here is a relevant story on this subject.
>>
>>"When staying alive means going bankrupt"
>>
>>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20201807/

This is a problem that, of course, should not occur, but tell that to
the politicians here. One problem is that there are so many different
types of plans that it is easy to get confused for those that have
coverage. This situation could never happen with mine because I have
full coverage twice, once through a private plan that will turn to
Medicare next year and once with the VA. Too many people get sold on
these catastrophic plans and forget how much they can run up in
between, which is what this is referring to. Probably many of these
people are the same as took out those subprime loans with variable
rates that are now coming home to roost. Fortunately, for those
living in Colorado at least is that it's illegal there to deny
coverage for prior existing conditions and to dump someone unless they
stop their premium payments. This is state law, however, and this
needs to be addressed at the Federal level to cover everyone.

Re: Socialized medicine UK: Most Brits have to win the lottery to get knees fixed
 

On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:48:26 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, [email protected] (John Kulp)
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:

... On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 00:22:44 +0200, Doesn't Frequently Mop
... <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
...
... >Make credence recognised that on Thu, 16 Aug 2007 01:42:52 GMT,
... >[email protected] (John Kulp) has scripted:
... >
... >>You mean like the so called doctor saying F this and F that?
... >
... >Sorry, but you have lost John. Your wit's end isn't up to it.
...
... As if I would care. I'm in Copenhagen having fun now.

On the net?

Re: Socialized medicine UK: Most Brits have to win the lottery to get knees fixed
 

On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:10:15 +0200, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:48:26 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, [email protected] (John Kulp)
>arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
>
> ... On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 00:22:44 +0200, Doesn't Frequently Mop
> ... <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
> ...
> ... >Make credence recognised that on Thu, 16 Aug 2007 01:42:52 GMT,
> ... >[email protected] (John Kulp) has scripted:
> ... >
> ... >>You mean like the so called doctor saying F this and F that?
> ... >
> ... >Sorry, but you have lost John. Your wit's end isn't up to it.
> ...
> ... As if I would care. I'm in Copenhagen having fun now.
>
>On the net?

Wendy House in Tivoli
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Martin

Re: Socialized medicine UK: Most Brits have to win the lottery to
 

John Kulp wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 00:22:44 +0200, Doesn't Frequently Mop
> <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>
>> Make credence recognised that on Thu, 16 Aug 2007 01:42:52 GMT,
>> [email protected] (John Kulp) has scripted:
>>
>>> You mean like the so called doctor saying F this and F that?
>> Sorry, but you have lost John. Your wit's end isn't up to it.
>
> As if I would care. I'm in Copenhagen having fun now.

Lucky you! I can recommend the Jazzhouse.

Re: Socialized medicine UK: Most Brits have to win the lottery to get knees fixed
 

On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:06:12 +0100, mike o'sullivan <[email protected]>
wrote:

>John Kulp wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 00:22:44 +0200, Doesn't Frequently Mop
>> <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>>
>>> Make credence recognised that on Thu, 16 Aug 2007 01:42:52 GMT,
>>> [email protected] (John Kulp) has scripted:
>>>
>>>> You mean like the so called doctor saying F this and F that?
>>> Sorry, but you have lost John. Your wit's end isn't up to it.
>>
>> As if I would care. I'm in Copenhagen having fun now.
>
>Lucky you! I can recommend the Jazzhouse.

Thanks, but I won't have time. I am here for the christening of a
grandchild. There will be party enough afterwards in true Danish
style.