smoking in Europe
May 27th 2007, 9:27 pm
#91
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Re: smoking in Europe
On Sat, 26 May 2007 12:46:05 +0100, "Alek Smart." <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Most Drivers will know the drill....any report of ructions or anti-social
>nonsense on a Bus will bring the immediate response via Radio or
>Pigeon......."Have ye got the screen up? ".
>Thats us covered then sez Mr Lockhead.......Phew...were`nt them oul screens
>a great idea !!!
In the circumstances, yes, but it is preferable not to have them
because it makes the bus feel less threatening to passengers. I
consider it a very good thing that Milton Keynes operations don't have
them (because they don't need them[1]) and have yet to see them
anywhere outside the UK.
[1] One or two of the very new Arriva-spec Wright single-deckers have
them but they are always kept open, so I imagine they were just
standard spec.
Neil
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wrote:
>Most Drivers will know the drill....any report of ructions or anti-social
>nonsense on a Bus will bring the immediate response via Radio or
>Pigeon......."Have ye got the screen up? ".
>Thats us covered then sez Mr Lockhead.......Phew...were`nt them oul screens
>a great idea !!!
In the circumstances, yes, but it is preferable not to have them
because it makes the bus feel less threatening to passengers. I
consider it a very good thing that Milton Keynes operations don't have
them (because they don't need them[1]) and have yet to see them
anywhere outside the UK.
[1] One or two of the very new Arriva-spec Wright single-deckers have
them but they are always kept open, so I imagine they were just
standard spec.
Neil
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May 27th 2007, 9:31 pm
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Re: smoking in Europe
Neil Williams <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sat, 26 May 2007 12:46:05 +0100, "Alek Smart." <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >Most Drivers will know the drill....any report of ructions or anti-social
> >nonsense on a Bus will bring the immediate response via Radio or
> >Pigeon......."Have ye got the screen up? ".
> >Thats us covered then sez Mr Lockhead.......Phew...were`nt them oul screens
> >a great idea !!!
>
> In the circumstances, yes, but it is preferable not to have them
> because it makes the bus feel less threatening to passengers.
The only thing that has _ever_ made me feel threatened on a bus (and
luckily I haven't experienced it often) was the actions of other
passengers.
--
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http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007
> On Sat, 26 May 2007 12:46:05 +0100, "Alek Smart." <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >Most Drivers will know the drill....any report of ructions or anti-social
> >nonsense on a Bus will bring the immediate response via Radio or
> >Pigeon......."Have ye got the screen up? ".
> >Thats us covered then sez Mr Lockhead.......Phew...were`nt them oul screens
> >a great idea !!!
>
> In the circumstances, yes, but it is preferable not to have them
> because it makes the bus feel less threatening to passengers.
The only thing that has _ever_ made me feel threatened on a bus (and
luckily I haven't experienced it often) was the actions of other
passengers.
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007
May 27th 2007, 9:38 pm
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Re: smoking in Europe
On Sun, 27 May 2007 22:31:07 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:
>Neil Williams <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 26 May 2007 12:46:05 +0100, "Alek Smart." <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Most Drivers will know the drill....any report of ructions or anti-social
>> >nonsense on a Bus will bring the immediate response via Radio or
>> >Pigeon......."Have ye got the screen up? ".
>> >Thats us covered then sez Mr Lockhead.......Phew...were`nt them oul screens
>> >a great idea !!!
>>
>> In the circumstances, yes, but it is preferable not to have them
>> because it makes the bus feel less threatening to passengers.
>
>The only thing that has _ever_ made me feel threatened on a bus (and
>luckily I haven't experienced it often) was the actions of other
>passengers.
and the occasional speed mad Greek driver on cliff roads.
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chancellor (*)) wrote:
>Neil Williams <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 26 May 2007 12:46:05 +0100, "Alek Smart." <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Most Drivers will know the drill....any report of ructions or anti-social
>> >nonsense on a Bus will bring the immediate response via Radio or
>> >Pigeon......."Have ye got the screen up? ".
>> >Thats us covered then sez Mr Lockhead.......Phew...were`nt them oul screens
>> >a great idea !!!
>>
>> In the circumstances, yes, but it is preferable not to have them
>> because it makes the bus feel less threatening to passengers.
>
>The only thing that has _ever_ made me feel threatened on a bus (and
>luckily I haven't experienced it often) was the actions of other
>passengers.
and the occasional speed mad Greek driver on cliff roads.
--
Martin
May 27th 2007, 9:38 pm
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Re: smoking in Europe
On Sun, 27 May 2007 22:31:07 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>The only thing that has _ever_ made me feel threatened on a bus (and
>luckily I haven't experienced it often) was the actions of other
>passengers.
In that sense yes. However, I see a psychological effect of screens,
along a similar lines to the presence of armed police officers with
automatic weapons in airports. These are only there because they need
to be, as otherwise no-one would want to pay for them. That being the
case, I find they do not reassure at all.
Neil
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_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>The only thing that has _ever_ made me feel threatened on a bus (and
>luckily I haven't experienced it often) was the actions of other
>passengers.
In that sense yes. However, I see a psychological effect of screens,
along a similar lines to the presence of armed police officers with
automatic weapons in airports. These are only there because they need
to be, as otherwise no-one would want to pay for them. That being the
case, I find they do not reassure at all.
Neil
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May 27th 2007, 9:45 pm
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Re: smoking in Europe
Neil Williams <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sun, 27 May 2007 22:31:07 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >The only thing that has _ever_ made me feel threatened on a bus (and
> >luckily I haven't experienced it often) was the actions of other
> >passengers.
>
> In that sense yes. However, I see a psychological effect of screens,
> along a similar lines to the presence of armed police officers with
> automatic weapons in airports. These are only there because they need
> to be, as otherwise no-one would want to pay for them. That being the
> case, I find they do not reassure at all.
I find I get used to them. I don't feel threated any longer in banks,
after all.
--
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http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007
> On Sun, 27 May 2007 22:31:07 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >The only thing that has _ever_ made me feel threatened on a bus (and
> >luckily I haven't experienced it often) was the actions of other
> >passengers.
>
> In that sense yes. However, I see a psychological effect of screens,
> along a similar lines to the presence of armed police officers with
> automatic weapons in airports. These are only there because they need
> to be, as otherwise no-one would want to pay for them. That being the
> case, I find they do not reassure at all.
I find I get used to them. I don't feel threated any longer in banks,
after all.
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007
May 27th 2007, 9:50 pm
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Re: smoking in Europe
On Sun, 27 May 2007 22:45:55 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:
>Neil Williams <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 27 May 2007 22:31:07 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
>> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>> >The only thing that has _ever_ made me feel threatened on a bus (and
>> >luckily I haven't experienced it often) was the actions of other
>> >passengers.
>>
>> In that sense yes. However, I see a psychological effect of screens,
>> along a similar lines to the presence of armed police officers with
>> automatic weapons in airports. These are only there because they need
>> to be, as otherwise no-one would want to pay for them. That being the
>> case, I find they do not reassure at all.
>
>I find I get used to them. I don't feel threated any longer in banks,
>after all.
What do you go into banks for?
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Martin
chancellor (*)) wrote:
>Neil Williams <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 27 May 2007 22:31:07 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
>> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>> >The only thing that has _ever_ made me feel threatened on a bus (and
>> >luckily I haven't experienced it often) was the actions of other
>> >passengers.
>>
>> In that sense yes. However, I see a psychological effect of screens,
>> along a similar lines to the presence of armed police officers with
>> automatic weapons in airports. These are only there because they need
>> to be, as otherwise no-one would want to pay for them. That being the
>> case, I find they do not reassure at all.
>
>I find I get used to them. I don't feel threated any longer in banks,
>after all.
What do you go into banks for?
--
Martin
May 27th 2007, 9:56 pm
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Re: smoking in Europe
Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sun, 27 May 2007 22:45:55 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >Neil Williams <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 27 May 2007 22:31:07 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
> >> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
> >>
> >> >The only thing that has _ever_ made me feel threatened on a bus (and
> >> >luckily I haven't experienced it often) was the actions of other
> >> >passengers.
> >>
> >> In that sense yes. However, I see a psychological effect of screens,
> >> along a similar lines to the presence of armed police officers with
> >> automatic weapons in airports. These are only there because they need
> >> to be, as otherwise no-one would want to pay for them. That being the
> >> case, I find they do not reassure at all.
> >
> >I find I get used to them. I don't feel threated any longer in banks,
> >after all.
>
> What do you go into banks for?
Unfortunately, despite my invoices requesting to the contrary, I still
get sent cheques. I don't trust auto-deposits, which I realise is
probably irrational, but there you go.
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007
> On Sun, 27 May 2007 22:45:55 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >Neil Williams <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 27 May 2007 22:31:07 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
> >> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
> >>
> >> >The only thing that has _ever_ made me feel threatened on a bus (and
> >> >luckily I haven't experienced it often) was the actions of other
> >> >passengers.
> >>
> >> In that sense yes. However, I see a psychological effect of screens,
> >> along a similar lines to the presence of armed police officers with
> >> automatic weapons in airports. These are only there because they need
> >> to be, as otherwise no-one would want to pay for them. That being the
> >> case, I find they do not reassure at all.
> >
> >I find I get used to them. I don't feel threated any longer in banks,
> >after all.
>
> What do you go into banks for?
Unfortunately, despite my invoices requesting to the contrary, I still
get sent cheques. I don't trust auto-deposits, which I realise is
probably irrational, but there you go.
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007
May 27th 2007, 10:03 pm
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Re: smoking in Europe
On Sun, 27 May 2007 22:56:47 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:
>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 27 May 2007 22:45:55 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>> >Neil Williams <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Sun, 27 May 2007 22:31:07 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
>> >> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >The only thing that has _ever_ made me feel threatened on a bus (and
>> >> >luckily I haven't experienced it often) was the actions of other
>> >> >passengers.
>> >>
>> >> In that sense yes. However, I see a psychological effect of screens,
>> >> along a similar lines to the presence of armed police officers with
>> >> automatic weapons in airports. These are only there because they need
>> >> to be, as otherwise no-one would want to pay for them. That being the
>> >> case, I find they do not reassure at all.
>> >
>> >I find I get used to them. I don't feel threated any longer in banks,
>> >after all.
>>
>> What do you go into banks for?
>
>Unfortunately, despite my invoices requesting to the contrary, I still
>get sent cheques. I don't trust auto-deposits, which I realise is
>probably irrational, but there you go.
I wonder how much longer cheques will survive in UK. It must be a major cost
processing them.
--
Martin
chancellor (*)) wrote:
>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 27 May 2007 22:45:55 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>> >Neil Williams <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Sun, 27 May 2007 22:31:07 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
>> >> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >The only thing that has _ever_ made me feel threatened on a bus (and
>> >> >luckily I haven't experienced it often) was the actions of other
>> >> >passengers.
>> >>
>> >> In that sense yes. However, I see a psychological effect of screens,
>> >> along a similar lines to the presence of armed police officers with
>> >> automatic weapons in airports. These are only there because they need
>> >> to be, as otherwise no-one would want to pay for them. That being the
>> >> case, I find they do not reassure at all.
>> >
>> >I find I get used to them. I don't feel threated any longer in banks,
>> >after all.
>>
>> What do you go into banks for?
>
>Unfortunately, despite my invoices requesting to the contrary, I still
>get sent cheques. I don't trust auto-deposits, which I realise is
>probably irrational, but there you go.
I wonder how much longer cheques will survive in UK. It must be a major cost
processing them.
--
Martin
May 27th 2007, 10:09 pm
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Re: smoking in Europe
Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sun, 27 May 2007 22:56:47 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
> chancellor (*)) wrote:
[]
> >Unfortunately, despite my invoices requesting to the contrary, I still
> >get sent cheques. I don't trust auto-deposits, which I realise is
> >probably irrational, but there you go.
>
> I wonder how much longer cheques will survive in UK. It must be a major cost
> processing them.
They waste money on other things as well, probably.
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007
> On Sun, 27 May 2007 22:56:47 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
> chancellor (*)) wrote:
[]
> >Unfortunately, despite my invoices requesting to the contrary, I still
> >get sent cheques. I don't trust auto-deposits, which I realise is
> >probably irrational, but there you go.
>
> I wonder how much longer cheques will survive in UK. It must be a major cost
> processing them.
They waste money on other things as well, probably.
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007
May 27th 2007, 10:28 pm
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Re: smoking in Europe
On Sun, 27 May 2007 23:09:24 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:
>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 27 May 2007 22:56:47 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>[]
>> >Unfortunately, despite my invoices requesting to the contrary, I still
>> >get sent cheques. I don't trust auto-deposits, which I realise is
>> >probably irrational, but there you go.
>>
>> I wonder how much longer cheques will survive in UK. It must be a major cost
>> processing them.
>
>They waste money on other things as well, probably.
Like trying to buy ABN Amro? :-)
UK must be one of the last countries in Europe using cheques.
--
Martin
chancellor (*)) wrote:
>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 27 May 2007 22:56:47 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>[]
>> >Unfortunately, despite my invoices requesting to the contrary, I still
>> >get sent cheques. I don't trust auto-deposits, which I realise is
>> >probably irrational, but there you go.
>>
>> I wonder how much longer cheques will survive in UK. It must be a major cost
>> processing them.
>
>They waste money on other things as well, probably.
Like trying to buy ABN Amro? :-)
UK must be one of the last countries in Europe using cheques.
--
Martin
May 27th 2007, 10:32 pm
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Re: smoking in Europe
Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sun, 27 May 2007 23:09:24 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 27 May 2007 22:56:47 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
> >> chancellor (*)) wrote:
> >[]
> >> >Unfortunately, despite my invoices requesting to the contrary, I still
> >> >get sent cheques. I don't trust auto-deposits, which I realise is
> >> >probably irrational, but there you go.
> >>
> >> I wonder how much longer cheques will survive in UK. It must be a major
> >> cost processing them.
> >
> >They waste money on other things as well, probably.
>
> Like trying to buy ABN Amro? :-)
>
> UK must be one of the last countries in Europe using cheques.
I'm just thinking they probably think they can make more money from
people bouncing them...
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007
> On Sun, 27 May 2007 23:09:24 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 27 May 2007 22:56:47 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
> >> chancellor (*)) wrote:
> >[]
> >> >Unfortunately, despite my invoices requesting to the contrary, I still
> >> >get sent cheques. I don't trust auto-deposits, which I realise is
> >> >probably irrational, but there you go.
> >>
> >> I wonder how much longer cheques will survive in UK. It must be a major
> >> cost processing them.
> >
> >They waste money on other things as well, probably.
>
> Like trying to buy ABN Amro? :-)
>
> UK must be one of the last countries in Europe using cheques.
I'm just thinking they probably think they can make more money from
people bouncing them...
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007
May 27th 2007, 10:39 pm
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Re: smoking in Europe
On Sun, 27 May 2007 23:32:26 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:
>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 27 May 2007 23:09:24 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Sun, 27 May 2007 22:56:47 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>> >> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>> >[]
>> >> >Unfortunately, despite my invoices requesting to the contrary, I still
>> >> >get sent cheques. I don't trust auto-deposits, which I realise is
>> >> >probably irrational, but there you go.
>> >>
>> >> I wonder how much longer cheques will survive in UK. It must be a major
>> >> cost processing them.
>> >
>> >They waste money on other things as well, probably.
>>
>> Like trying to buy ABN Amro? :-)
>>
>> UK must be one of the last countries in Europe using cheques.
>
>I'm just thinking they probably think they can make more money from
>people bouncing them...
Possibly, they seem to make lots out of bouncing standing orders and direct
debits.
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Martin
chancellor (*)) wrote:
>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 27 May 2007 23:09:24 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Sun, 27 May 2007 22:56:47 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>> >> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>> >[]
>> >> >Unfortunately, despite my invoices requesting to the contrary, I still
>> >> >get sent cheques. I don't trust auto-deposits, which I realise is
>> >> >probably irrational, but there you go.
>> >>
>> >> I wonder how much longer cheques will survive in UK. It must be a major
>> >> cost processing them.
>> >
>> >They waste money on other things as well, probably.
>>
>> Like trying to buy ABN Amro? :-)
>>
>> UK must be one of the last countries in Europe using cheques.
>
>I'm just thinking they probably think they can make more money from
>people bouncing them...
Possibly, they seem to make lots out of bouncing standing orders and direct
debits.
--
Martin
May 27th 2007, 10:46 pm
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Re: smoking in Europe
"Neil Williams" <[email protected]> wrote in
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> On Sat, 26 May 2007 12:46:05 +0100, "Alek Smart."
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Most Drivers will know the drill....any report of
> > ructions or anti-social nonsense on a Bus will bring
> > the immediate response via Radio or Pigeon......."Have
> > ye got the screen up? ".
> > Thats us covered then sez Mr
> > Lockhead.......Phew...were`nt them oul screens a great
> > idea !!!
>
> In the circumstances, yes, but it is preferable not to
> have them because it makes the bus feel less threatening
> to passengers.
Try driving a bus in Handsworth or Alum Rock in Birmingham and see if you
still feel the same way. I give you about 3 seconds after opening the
doors at the first bus stop before you change your mind.
Although it may not even take that long.
Ivor
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> On Sat, 26 May 2007 12:46:05 +0100, "Alek Smart."
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Most Drivers will know the drill....any report of
> > ructions or anti-social nonsense on a Bus will bring
> > the immediate response via Radio or Pigeon......."Have
> > ye got the screen up? ".
> > Thats us covered then sez Mr
> > Lockhead.......Phew...were`nt them oul screens a great
> > idea !!!
>
> In the circumstances, yes, but it is preferable not to
> have them because it makes the bus feel less threatening
> to passengers.
Try driving a bus in Handsworth or Alum Rock in Birmingham and see if you
still feel the same way. I give you about 3 seconds after opening the
doors at the first bus stop before you change your mind.
Although it may not even take that long.
Ivor
May 27th 2007, 11:51 pm
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Re: smoking in Europe
On Sun, 27 May 2007 23:46:29 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Try driving a bus in Handsworth or Alum Rock in Birmingham and see if you
>still feel the same way. I give you about 3 seconds after opening the
>doors at the first bus stop before you change your mind.
I don't disagree with you. The point is that in MK they are not
needed (I in no way dispute that they are needed in the locations you
suggest), and that makes one feel safe.
Neil
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>Try driving a bus in Handsworth or Alum Rock in Birmingham and see if you
>still feel the same way. I give you about 3 seconds after opening the
>doors at the first bus stop before you change your mind.
I don't disagree with you. The point is that in MK they are not
needed (I in no way dispute that they are needed in the locations you
suggest), and that makes one feel safe.
Neil
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May 28th 2007, 12:40 am
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Re: smoking in Europe
"Neil Williams" <[email protected]> wrote in
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> On Sun, 27 May 2007 23:46:29 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Try driving a bus in Handsworth or Alum Rock in
> > Birmingham and see if you still feel the same way. I
> > give you about 3 seconds after opening the doors at the
> > first bus stop before you change your mind.
>
> I don't disagree with you. The point is that in MK they
> are not needed (I in no way dispute that they are needed
> in the locations you suggest), and that makes one feel
> safe.
Personally, I'd prefer an offside cab door and a good pair of running
shoes..!
Or failing that a machine gun.
Ivor
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> On Sun, 27 May 2007 23:46:29 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Try driving a bus in Handsworth or Alum Rock in
> > Birmingham and see if you still feel the same way. I
> > give you about 3 seconds after opening the doors at the
> > first bus stop before you change your mind.
>
> I don't disagree with you. The point is that in MK they
> are not needed (I in no way dispute that they are needed
> in the locations you suggest), and that makes one feel
> safe.
Personally, I'd prefer an offside cab door and a good pair of running
shoes..!
Or failing that a machine gun.
Ivor