smoking in Europe
May 25th 2007, 3:08 pm
#76
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Re: smoking in Europe
On Fri, 25 May 2007 15:58:00 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:
>Jack Campin - bogus address <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> >>> All over Europe, I don't recall smoking on buses being much of a
>> >>> problem. Where is it common in Europe, if anywhere?
>> >> Jack mentioned buses specifically. Smoking on buses has been banned
>> >> in NL since the early 1960s.
>> > It was a lot later than that here, but the ban predated the ban on
>> > smoking in public places, so I don't know why he's connecting the
>> > two things.
>>
>> In Turkey the bans on smoking in buses and in other public places
>> came into effect at the same time. Turkish buses used to be ghastly,
>> as did a lot of public places. The change was very quick in both.
>>
>> I've found the text of the relevant law; I'll translate it tonight.
>> There is a fair bit of discussion at the moment about whether it
>> covers internet cafes, since they can be construed as being cultural
>> or educational centres, which are a category of place where smoking
>> is specifically banned. It's not often you meet with a non-smoking
>> internet cafe manager in Turkey, though the customers don't do it
>> much.
>>
>> I don't think there's any ban on smoking on buses in Croatia.
>
>The only buses I've been on (Istria) were definitely non-smoking, but I
>don't know if there's a specific law.
>
>> And it's
>> still common on routes serving council housing estates in Scotland, when
>> those routes are operated by First Bus - far worse than anything I've
>> met with in Turkey in recent years.
>
>I don't know quite why you're singling out First- it's the anti-social
>behaviour of a minority which is the problem. I've used first buses in
>central scotland (mostly around Stirling) tons of times, and never had a
>problem. You'll occasionally get a drunk smoking on a bus (First or
>other companies) or tram here in Manchester- but it's still banned. I
>got a drunk escorted off a tram by the police a year ago when he
>wouldn't stop smoking and started swearing at people asking him to stop.
>
>Here's a link to current laws in different parts of Europe. It's
>domino-ing towards bans throughout I think.
>
>http://www.epha.org/a/1941
I suspect that the Dutch dominoes are Araldited to the surface.
Year after year of ministers making the right noises, but with no result. I
suspect the tobacco industry is having an influence on a person or persons
unknown.
--
Martin
chancellor (*)) wrote:
>Jack Campin - bogus address <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> >>> All over Europe, I don't recall smoking on buses being much of a
>> >>> problem. Where is it common in Europe, if anywhere?
>> >> Jack mentioned buses specifically. Smoking on buses has been banned
>> >> in NL since the early 1960s.
>> > It was a lot later than that here, but the ban predated the ban on
>> > smoking in public places, so I don't know why he's connecting the
>> > two things.
>>
>> In Turkey the bans on smoking in buses and in other public places
>> came into effect at the same time. Turkish buses used to be ghastly,
>> as did a lot of public places. The change was very quick in both.
>>
>> I've found the text of the relevant law; I'll translate it tonight.
>> There is a fair bit of discussion at the moment about whether it
>> covers internet cafes, since they can be construed as being cultural
>> or educational centres, which are a category of place where smoking
>> is specifically banned. It's not often you meet with a non-smoking
>> internet cafe manager in Turkey, though the customers don't do it
>> much.
>>
>> I don't think there's any ban on smoking on buses in Croatia.
>
>The only buses I've been on (Istria) were definitely non-smoking, but I
>don't know if there's a specific law.
>
>> And it's
>> still common on routes serving council housing estates in Scotland, when
>> those routes are operated by First Bus - far worse than anything I've
>> met with in Turkey in recent years.
>
>I don't know quite why you're singling out First- it's the anti-social
>behaviour of a minority which is the problem. I've used first buses in
>central scotland (mostly around Stirling) tons of times, and never had a
>problem. You'll occasionally get a drunk smoking on a bus (First or
>other companies) or tram here in Manchester- but it's still banned. I
>got a drunk escorted off a tram by the police a year ago when he
>wouldn't stop smoking and started swearing at people asking him to stop.
>
>Here's a link to current laws in different parts of Europe. It's
>domino-ing towards bans throughout I think.
>
>http://www.epha.org/a/1941
I suspect that the Dutch dominoes are Araldited to the surface.
Year after year of ministers making the right noises, but with no result. I
suspect the tobacco industry is having an influence on a person or persons
unknown.
--
Martin
May 25th 2007, 3:53 pm
#77
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Re: smoking in Europe
>> [smoking is] still common on routes serving council housing estates
>> in Scotland, when those routes are operated by First Bus - far worse
>> than anything I've met with in Turkey in recent years.
> I don't know quite why you're singling out First- it's the anti-social
> behaviour of a minority which is the problem.
The most frequent route out here goes through a housing estate with a
lot of antisocial types in it. It's served by two companies, First
and LRT (Lothian Region Transport, publicly owned). When somebody
starts smoking, an LRT driver will stop the bus, get out of the cab
and tell them the bus isn't going anywhere till they stop. First
drivers have been specifically instructed not to leave the cab to
deal with this, and most of the time they pretend not to have heard
you if you complain. LRT also uses buses where the stair to the top
can be locked off - on the late night services the drivers use this
to keep everybody downstairs where they can be seen better. First's
buses are just as new but they didn't bother to fit those doors.
Same route, same price, very different culture.
By now the neds have worked this out - First is the service of choice
if you want to smash bottles on the floor or spit on the windows.
An exception is some of the recently recruited Polish drivers, who
haven't been there long enough to be demoralized into the FirstGroup
ethos. Some of them are prepared to ignore the company rules and
challenge antisocial behaviour.
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>> in Scotland, when those routes are operated by First Bus - far worse
>> than anything I've met with in Turkey in recent years.
> I don't know quite why you're singling out First- it's the anti-social
> behaviour of a minority which is the problem.
The most frequent route out here goes through a housing estate with a
lot of antisocial types in it. It's served by two companies, First
and LRT (Lothian Region Transport, publicly owned). When somebody
starts smoking, an LRT driver will stop the bus, get out of the cab
and tell them the bus isn't going anywhere till they stop. First
drivers have been specifically instructed not to leave the cab to
deal with this, and most of the time they pretend not to have heard
you if you complain. LRT also uses buses where the stair to the top
can be locked off - on the late night services the drivers use this
to keep everybody downstairs where they can be seen better. First's
buses are just as new but they didn't bother to fit those doors.
Same route, same price, very different culture.
By now the neds have worked this out - First is the service of choice
if you want to smash bottles on the floor or spit on the windows.
An exception is some of the recently recruited Polish drivers, who
haven't been there long enough to be demoralized into the FirstGroup
ethos. Some of them are prepared to ignore the company rules and
challenge antisocial behaviour.
============== j-c ====== @ ====== purr . demon . co . uk =============Jack Campin: 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland | tel 0131 660 4760
<http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/> for CD-ROMs and free | fax 0870 0554 975
stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, & Mac logic fonts | mob 07800 739 557
May 25th 2007, 4:11 pm
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Re: smoking in Europe
David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*), 25/05/2007 wrote:
> Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 25 May 2007 13:58:31 +0100, [email protected] (David
> > Horne, the chancellor (*)) wrote:
> >
> > >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> []
> > > All over Europe, I don't recall smoking on buses being much of a
> > > problem. Where is it common in Europe, if anywhere?
> >
> > Jack mentioned buses specifically. Smoking on buses has been banned
> > in NL since the early 1960s.
>
> It was a lot later than that here, but the ban predated the ban on
> smoking in public places, so I don't know why he's connecting the two
> things.
Smoking was only ever allowed upstairs on double decker buses.
--
Mick
> Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 25 May 2007 13:58:31 +0100, [email protected] (David
> > Horne, the chancellor (*)) wrote:
> >
> > >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> []
> > > All over Europe, I don't recall smoking on buses being much of a
> > > problem. Where is it common in Europe, if anywhere?
> >
> > Jack mentioned buses specifically. Smoking on buses has been banned
> > in NL since the early 1960s.
>
> It was a lot later than that here, but the ban predated the ban on
> smoking in public places, so I don't know why he's connecting the two
> things.
Smoking was only ever allowed upstairs on double decker buses.
--
Mick
May 25th 2007, 4:25 pm
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On 25 mayo, 14:58, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
(*)) wrote:
>
> The law in Spain seems very weak. The one advantage of it is that I
> think that all businesses have to state their policy, so you'll be able
> to tell from the outside what the policy is. It seemed to me that the
> minority of restaurants were completely non-smoking.
>
Bigger restaurants (I think it was over 120 Sqm.) must have a
physically separated smoking section if they want it to be allowed.
Smaller restaurants can be made 100% smoking, but that means children
under 16 won't be allowed in.
As you said, full non-smoking is still a tiny minority.
J.
(*)) wrote:
>
> The law in Spain seems very weak. The one advantage of it is that I
> think that all businesses have to state their policy, so you'll be able
> to tell from the outside what the policy is. It seemed to me that the
> minority of restaurants were completely non-smoking.
>
Bigger restaurants (I think it was over 120 Sqm.) must have a
physically separated smoking section if they want it to be allowed.
Smaller restaurants can be made 100% smoking, but that means children
under 16 won't be allowed in.
As you said, full non-smoking is still a tiny minority.
J.
May 25th 2007, 5:14 pm
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Jordi <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 25 mayo, 14:58, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
> (*)) wrote:
>
> >
> > The law in Spain seems very weak. The one advantage of it is that I
> > think that all businesses have to state their policy, so you'll be able
> > to tell from the outside what the policy is. It seemed to me that the
> > minority of restaurants were completely non-smoking.
> >
>
> Bigger restaurants (I think it was over 120 Sqm.) must have a
> physically separated smoking section if they want it to be allowed.
Yes- it does seem to be an extremely _loose_ definition of separated
IME.
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"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007
> On 25 mayo, 14:58, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
> (*)) wrote:
>
> >
> > The law in Spain seems very weak. The one advantage of it is that I
> > think that all businesses have to state their policy, so you'll be able
> > to tell from the outside what the policy is. It seemed to me that the
> > minority of restaurants were completely non-smoking.
> >
>
> Bigger restaurants (I think it was over 120 Sqm.) must have a
> physically separated smoking section if they want it to be allowed.
Yes- it does seem to be an extremely _loose_ definition of separated
IME.
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007
May 25th 2007, 5:58 pm
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Lennart Petersen wrote:
>
> Yes all places like cafeterias and so. They're allowed to provide a
> separate room for smoking only where food and drinks aren't allowed but few
> have done so as it's not so profitable. Smokers are instead advised to go
> outside and you can usually see some hiding outside the places at night.
> The law for restaurants is now 1y old and as it turned out it works well.
> Smokers have generally accepted the rules without much whining and found the
> indoor airquality so much better.
>
It's amusing in Canada. Generally it's illegal to DRINK in public, and
illegal
to SMOKE in a pub. So in Vancouver for example, for smokers it's a Catch
22 situation, as
they're not allowed to take their pint outside.
It's one thing or the other.
>
> Yes all places like cafeterias and so. They're allowed to provide a
> separate room for smoking only where food and drinks aren't allowed but few
> have done so as it's not so profitable. Smokers are instead advised to go
> outside and you can usually see some hiding outside the places at night.
> The law for restaurants is now 1y old and as it turned out it works well.
> Smokers have generally accepted the rules without much whining and found the
> indoor airquality so much better.
>
It's amusing in Canada. Generally it's illegal to DRINK in public, and
illegal
to SMOKE in a pub. So in Vancouver for example, for smokers it's a Catch
22 situation, as
they're not allowed to take their pint outside.
It's one thing or the other.
May 25th 2007, 6:06 pm
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"Mike O'Sullivan" <[email protected]> kirjoitti
viestiss�:[email protected]...
> Lennart Petersen wrote:
>>
>> Yes all places like cafeterias and so. They're allowed to provide a
>> separate room for smoking only where food and drinks aren't allowed but
>> few have done so as it's not so profitable. Smokers are instead
>> advised to go outside and you can usually see some hiding outside the
>> places at night.
>> The law for restaurants is now 1y old and as it turned out it works well.
>> Smokers have generally accepted the rules without much whining and found
>> the indoor airquality so much better.
> It's amusing in Canada. Generally it's illegal to DRINK in public, and
> illegal
>
A few years back in Mexico City a police patrol on wheels approached me and
put me to sit on the back seat. I was puzzled and wondered what did I do
wrong. In front of a police station on Paseo de la Reforma I was "released"
and explained the reason for the short time arrest: sipping beer on a
pavement.
viestiss�:[email protected]...
> Lennart Petersen wrote:
>>
>> Yes all places like cafeterias and so. They're allowed to provide a
>> separate room for smoking only where food and drinks aren't allowed but
>> few have done so as it's not so profitable. Smokers are instead
>> advised to go outside and you can usually see some hiding outside the
>> places at night.
>> The law for restaurants is now 1y old and as it turned out it works well.
>> Smokers have generally accepted the rules without much whining and found
>> the indoor airquality so much better.
> It's amusing in Canada. Generally it's illegal to DRINK in public, and
> illegal
>
A few years back in Mexico City a police patrol on wheels approached me and
put me to sit on the back seat. I was puzzled and wondered what did I do
wrong. In front of a police station on Paseo de la Reforma I was "released"
and explained the reason for the short time arrest: sipping beer on a
pavement.
May 26th 2007, 1:42 am
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"Lennart Petersen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
>
> "Poetic Justice" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
> news:[email protected]...
> (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
>>Also, does anyone remember Sjoerd's
>>post here a few years ago when the
>>subject sort of came up?
>>"Yes, we know that second hand smoke is
>>a bit bad for your health. However,
>>Europeans value freedom and we don't
>>like to be told what we can and can not
>>do.
>>A little bit of second hand smoke will kill
>>nobody. Live and let live. "
>
> Yes, I remember his smoking freedom posts
.
> I recall one thread here when NYC banned smoking in bars.
> Sjoerd's response was a classic and I wish I could recall it exactly
> but basically the US was fascist or nazi for passing these types of
> laws, freedom, rights, etc.
>
> But there were many posts esp in the late 90's where esp Americans
> (usually 1st timers) were slammed here just for asking about smoking in
> Europe questions (restaurants, bars, public transport, hotels, etc).
> Answers like "stay home", "it's part of our culture", "we are free",
> "it's our right", "a little smoke won't hurt you, get over it", "Europe
> isn't the USA", etc.
> Regards, Walter
> ----------
> I would guess that it's hard for many Europeans to realize that U.S
> sometimes is a forerunner. Freedom from smoke is a such thing. Disabled
> rights are also worth to mention.
Be careful, you just might say something nice about us Americans. ;-)
Now that would be refreshing!
--Jean
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> "Poetic Justice" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
> news:[email protected]...
> (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
>>Also, does anyone remember Sjoerd's
>>post here a few years ago when the
>>subject sort of came up?
>>"Yes, we know that second hand smoke is
>>a bit bad for your health. However,
>>Europeans value freedom and we don't
>>like to be told what we can and can not
>>do.
>>A little bit of second hand smoke will kill
>>nobody. Live and let live. "
>
> Yes, I remember his smoking freedom posts
.> I recall one thread here when NYC banned smoking in bars.
> Sjoerd's response was a classic and I wish I could recall it exactly
> but basically the US was fascist or nazi for passing these types of
> laws, freedom, rights, etc.
>
> But there were many posts esp in the late 90's where esp Americans
> (usually 1st timers) were slammed here just for asking about smoking in
> Europe questions (restaurants, bars, public transport, hotels, etc).
> Answers like "stay home", "it's part of our culture", "we are free",
> "it's our right", "a little smoke won't hurt you, get over it", "Europe
> isn't the USA", etc.
> Regards, Walter
> ----------
> I would guess that it's hard for many Europeans to realize that U.S
> sometimes is a forerunner. Freedom from smoke is a such thing. Disabled
> rights are also worth to mention.
Be careful, you just might say something nice about us Americans. ;-)
Now that would be refreshing!
--Jean
May 26th 2007, 11:46 am
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Interesting Post Jack.
Time after Time LRT`s operations appear to feature at the top end of
desirable practice in the Bus Industry.
Whether it be the condition of their vehicles or the demeanour of their
Staff there is a certain difference in how their Bus operation appears to
view Itself.
The No Smoking issue is of course a social one BUT rules and regs are all
around us and Implimentation has to begin somewhere.
I regard it,perhaps simplistically,as an issue of a company`s self-regard.
The slide began in earnest with the fitment of "Assault Screens".
Whilst initially these were a response to a very threatening and dangerous
situation (Which of itself was largely due to greater Social Failures).
The "Assault Screen" has in the interim simply become a device behind which
huge numbers of Modern Bus Industry Operational Management cower.
Most Drivers will know the drill....any report of ructions or anti-social
nonsense on a Bus will bring the immediate response via Radio or
Pigeon......."Have ye got the screen up? ".
Thats us covered then sez Mr Lockhead.......Phew...were`nt them oul screens
a great idea !!!
Time after Time LRT`s operations appear to feature at the top end of
desirable practice in the Bus Industry.
Whether it be the condition of their vehicles or the demeanour of their
Staff there is a certain difference in how their Bus operation appears to
view Itself.
The No Smoking issue is of course a social one BUT rules and regs are all
around us and Implimentation has to begin somewhere.
I regard it,perhaps simplistically,as an issue of a company`s self-regard.
The slide began in earnest with the fitment of "Assault Screens".
Whilst initially these were a response to a very threatening and dangerous
situation (Which of itself was largely due to greater Social Failures).
The "Assault Screen" has in the interim simply become a device behind which
huge numbers of Modern Bus Industry Operational Management cower.
Most Drivers will know the drill....any report of ructions or anti-social
nonsense on a Bus will bring the immediate response via Radio or
Pigeon......."Have ye got the screen up? ".
Thats us covered then sez Mr Lockhead.......Phew...were`nt them oul screens
a great idea !!!
May 26th 2007, 3:49 pm
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"Alek Smart." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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[snip]
> Most Drivers will know the drill....any report of
> ructions or anti-social nonsense on a Bus will bring the
> immediate response via Radio or Pigeon......."Have ye got
> the screen up? ". Thats us covered then sez Mr
> Lockhead.......Phew...were`nt them oul screens a great
> idea !!!
Have you ever *had* a punch in the mouth when trapped in a cab with no
escape route..? The Volvo Ailsas with the driver's door on the offside had
a lot to commend them IMHO.
Ivor
news:[email protected]
[snip]
> Most Drivers will know the drill....any report of
> ructions or anti-social nonsense on a Bus will bring the
> immediate response via Radio or Pigeon......."Have ye got
> the screen up? ". Thats us covered then sez Mr
> Lockhead.......Phew...were`nt them oul screens a great
> idea !!!
Have you ever *had* a punch in the mouth when trapped in a cab with no
escape route..? The Volvo Ailsas with the driver's door on the offside had
a lot to commend them IMHO.
Ivor
May 26th 2007, 10:49 pm
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In message <1hyllep.1x93gge18k4iuaN%[email protected]>, "David Horne,
_the_ chancellor (*)" <[email protected]> writes
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I was just wondering how smoking in Europe compares with smoking in
>> the U.S. I'd like to find a European country with almost no smoking.
>
>You can find this out on the internet. Countries with fairly
>comprehensive bans on smoking in public places (including bars and
>restaurants) include:
>
>Ireland
(the whole island incase you were wondering)
>, Italy, Norway, Scotland, Wales, and as of this July, England.
>Other countries are enacting similar laws, but I can't immediately think
>of other European countries with laws as stringent at the moment.
>
--
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Owner, http://www.siliconglen.com/
Home to the first online guide to Scotland, founded 1994.
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_the_ chancellor (*)" <[email protected]> writes
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I was just wondering how smoking in Europe compares with smoking in
>> the U.S. I'd like to find a European country with almost no smoking.
>
>You can find this out on the internet. Countries with fairly
>comprehensive bans on smoking in public places (including bars and
>restaurants) include:
>
>Ireland
(the whole island incase you were wondering)
>, Italy, Norway, Scotland, Wales, and as of this July, England.
>Other countries are enacting similar laws, but I can't immediately think
>of other European countries with laws as stringent at the moment.
>
--
Craig Cockburn ("coburn"). M.Sc., CITP, CEng
Owner, http://www.siliconglen.com/
Home to the first online guide to Scotland, founded 1994.
Scottish blog, FAQ, weddings, website design, stop spam and more!
May 27th 2007, 12:13 am
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The Ailsa`s had indeed a lot to commend them.
However I`m not knocking the notion of Driver Protection per se.
What I find interesting,and not a little reprehensible,is a prevalance of
attitude which suggests its somehow acceptable to throw a dig or to spit at
a Busdriver.
There have been cases over here of Drivers being spat upon and being asked
to work away as it`s not an "Actual" Assault.
My response is to ask if spitting on a Police Officer will be treated in the
same Cavalier fashion.
IMO there`s something to be said for the situation in some parts of the US
Public Transport sector which confers Federal Employee status on Bus
Operational Staff.
However I`m not knocking the notion of Driver Protection per se.
What I find interesting,and not a little reprehensible,is a prevalance of
attitude which suggests its somehow acceptable to throw a dig or to spit at
a Busdriver.
There have been cases over here of Drivers being spat upon and being asked
to work away as it`s not an "Actual" Assault.
My response is to ask if spitting on a Police Officer will be treated in the
same Cavalier fashion.
IMO there`s something to be said for the situation in some parts of the US
Public Transport sector which confers Federal Employee status on Bus
Operational Staff.
May 27th 2007, 2:07 am
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I am a non smoker. I am curious about Denmark? Do they have smoking
bans? You can even smoke pot legally their last I heard.
Greg Rozelle
bans? You can even smoke pot legally their last I heard.
Greg Rozelle
May 27th 2007, 7:51 am
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"Alek Smart." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> The Ailsa`s had indeed a lot to commend them.
> However I`m not knocking the notion of Driver Protection
> per se.
> What I find interesting,and not a little reprehensible,is
> a prevalance of attitude which suggests its somehow
> acceptable to throw a dig or to spit at a Busdriver.
>
> There have been cases over here of Drivers being spat
> upon and being asked to work away as it`s not an "Actual"
> Assault.
Happened to me several times. I was also rebuked for refusing to carry on
driving after being punched in the face causing my lip to bleed.
> My response is to ask if spitting on a Police Officer
> will be treated in the same Cavalier fashion.
>
> IMO there`s something to be said for the situation in
> some parts of the US Public Transport sector which
> confers Federal Employee status on Bus Operational Staff.
Indeed, I was just about to mention that. If you've been on buses over
there, you'll notice that in many places there is little or no protection
at all for the driver, not even a cab as such, they're almost like coach
drivers over here. There's rarely any trouble.
Ivor
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> The Ailsa`s had indeed a lot to commend them.
> However I`m not knocking the notion of Driver Protection
> per se.
> What I find interesting,and not a little reprehensible,is
> a prevalance of attitude which suggests its somehow
> acceptable to throw a dig or to spit at a Busdriver.
>
> There have been cases over here of Drivers being spat
> upon and being asked to work away as it`s not an "Actual"
> Assault.
Happened to me several times. I was also rebuked for refusing to carry on
driving after being punched in the face causing my lip to bleed.
> My response is to ask if spitting on a Police Officer
> will be treated in the same Cavalier fashion.
>
> IMO there`s something to be said for the situation in
> some parts of the US Public Transport sector which
> confers Federal Employee status on Bus Operational Staff.
Indeed, I was just about to mention that. If you've been on buses over
there, you'll notice that in many places there is little or no protection
at all for the driver, not even a cab as such, they're almost like coach
drivers over here. There's rarely any trouble.
Ivor
May 27th 2007, 3:57 pm
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Re: smoking in Europe
"Greg Rozelle" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
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>I am a non smoker. I am curious about Denmark? Do they have smoking
> bans?
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All public transport is non-smoking nowadays in Danmark.
No ban in restaurants I'm afraid.
You can even smoke pot legally their last I heard.
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No you can't
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>I am a non smoker. I am curious about Denmark? Do they have smoking
> bans?
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All public transport is non-smoking nowadays in Danmark.
No ban in restaurants I'm afraid.
You can even smoke pot legally their last I heard.
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No you can't