Safety?
Feb 12th 2003, 2:40 am
#76
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Re: Safety?
Me thinks Pan really needs a hug!
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Runge wrote in message
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> Ok go back to bed and take your pills
> "Pan" a écrit dans le message de news:
> [email protected]...
> > On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:53:40 +0100, "Runge"
> > wrote:
> >
> > >You are on a group about Europe...
> > >So there are a few europeans on it too
> >
> > Naturally.
> >
> > >Of course , US english is NOT their mother tongue
> > >I suppose you think your language is the language of the world
> >
> > Nope.
> >
> > Pour votre information, je parle francais. Parlo anche italiano. Dan
> > ku cakap Bahasa Melayu macam orang kampung betul 25 tahun yang lalu. I
> > also speak a smattering of various other languages.
> >
> > >Sooo if you're not tolerant, hard luck!
> > [snip]
> >
> > Look, you made a dumb remark. You apparently are ignorant and not
> > racist, but it might make some sense for you to understand just how
> > dumb your remark was. You still don't seem to understand that and are
> > busy claiming that the problem is that I'm intolerant of your remark,
> > rather than that you made a presumptuous and extremely poorly-phrased
> > remark that you can be sure most Washingtonians would find extremely
> > offensive.
> >
> > It's no-one else's fault that you chose to make a dumb remark about an
> > American city in this newsgroup. And if I or anyone else makes an
> > equally ignorant, dumb remark about a European city, you are free to
> > call them on it.
> >
> > I guess I was too quick to call you a racist. Ignorant people can
> > sound like racists without meaning to make racist remarks.
> >
> > That said, if you and Mr. So-and-So who likes to claim that no-one is
> > a non-racist want to think me a lousy person, I frankly don't give a
> > damn. I don't have a personal relationship with every poster here. I'm
> > here to find out and share useful information and do not start threads
> > here about off-topic regions of the world. There's entirely too much
> > off-topic bullshit here, and people should stay on-topic and not post
> > lots of crap about off-topic stuff they have less than 0 knowledge
> > about.
> >
> > Michael
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Runge wrote in message
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> Ok go back to bed and take your pills
> "Pan" a écrit dans le message de news:
> [email protected]...
> > On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:53:40 +0100, "Runge"
> > wrote:
> >
> > >You are on a group about Europe...
> > >So there are a few europeans on it too
> >
> > Naturally.
> >
> > >Of course , US english is NOT their mother tongue
> > >I suppose you think your language is the language of the world
> >
> > Nope.
> >
> > Pour votre information, je parle francais. Parlo anche italiano. Dan
> > ku cakap Bahasa Melayu macam orang kampung betul 25 tahun yang lalu. I
> > also speak a smattering of various other languages.
> >
> > >Sooo if you're not tolerant, hard luck!
> > [snip]
> >
> > Look, you made a dumb remark. You apparently are ignorant and not
> > racist, but it might make some sense for you to understand just how
> > dumb your remark was. You still don't seem to understand that and are
> > busy claiming that the problem is that I'm intolerant of your remark,
> > rather than that you made a presumptuous and extremely poorly-phrased
> > remark that you can be sure most Washingtonians would find extremely
> > offensive.
> >
> > It's no-one else's fault that you chose to make a dumb remark about an
> > American city in this newsgroup. And if I or anyone else makes an
> > equally ignorant, dumb remark about a European city, you are free to
> > call them on it.
> >
> > I guess I was too quick to call you a racist. Ignorant people can
> > sound like racists without meaning to make racist remarks.
> >
> > That said, if you and Mr. So-and-So who likes to claim that no-one is
> > a non-racist want to think me a lousy person, I frankly don't give a
> > damn. I don't have a personal relationship with every poster here. I'm
> > here to find out and share useful information and do not start threads
> > here about off-topic regions of the world. There's entirely too much
> > off-topic bullshit here, and people should stay on-topic and not post
> > lots of crap about off-topic stuff they have less than 0 knowledge
> > about.
> >
> > Michael
Feb 12th 2003, 3:21 am
#77
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Re: Safety?
In article ,
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote:
> Which is why most of us see no reason to criticize spelling and grammar,
> here (unless the poster is American - they SHOULD know their own
> language, but often do not). Whatever errors our European posters may
> make, they are posting intelligibly in what is for them a foreign
> language. Comparatively few Americans are able to do the same in any
> European language.
Finally found something that you and I agree on.
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Nancy Kay
remove go and gone.to.
"Patience is a virtue"
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote:
> Which is why most of us see no reason to criticize spelling and grammar,
> here (unless the poster is American - they SHOULD know their own
> language, but often do not). Whatever errors our European posters may
> make, they are posting intelligibly in what is for them a foreign
> language. Comparatively few Americans are able to do the same in any
> European language.
Finally found something that you and I agree on.
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Nancy Kay
remove go and gone.to.
"Patience is a virtue"
Feb 12th 2003, 3:29 am
#78
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Re: Safety?
In article ,
Jenn wrote:
> definitely NOT Afro-American which went out some time in the 70s and is
> considered more offensive than black today -- at the moment polls show
> American blacks to be equally divided in preferring African-American and
> black.
I wonder who the people are that determine what is politically correct
and then who can change what is correct today and not tommorrow. Retired
and glad I don't have to be politically correct any longer. I just try
to use common sense.
--
Nancy Kay
remove go and gone.to.
"Patience is a virtue"
Jenn wrote:
> definitely NOT Afro-American which went out some time in the 70s and is
> considered more offensive than black today -- at the moment polls show
> American blacks to be equally divided in preferring African-American and
> black.
I wonder who the people are that determine what is politically correct
and then who can change what is correct today and not tommorrow. Retired
and glad I don't have to be politically correct any longer. I just try
to use common sense.
--
Nancy Kay
remove go and gone.to.
"Patience is a virtue"
Feb 12th 2003, 4:57 am
#79
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Re: Safety?
On Wed, 12 Feb 2003 04:29:13 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, Nancy Kay
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
... In article ,
... Jenn wrote:
...
... > definitely NOT Afro-American which went out some time in the 70s and is
... > considered more offensive than black today -- at the moment polls show
... > American blacks to be equally divided in preferring African-American and
... > black.
...
... I wonder who the people are that determine what is politically correct
... and then who can change what is correct today and not tommorrow. Retired
... and glad I don't have to be politically correct any longer. I just try
... to use common sense.
So why were you telling us to be PC in a previous thread ? Make up your mind, will you ?
======
Where are we going to and why are we in a handbasket ?
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
... In article ,
... Jenn wrote:
...
... > definitely NOT Afro-American which went out some time in the 70s and is
... > considered more offensive than black today -- at the moment polls show
... > American blacks to be equally divided in preferring African-American and
... > black.
...
... I wonder who the people are that determine what is politically correct
... and then who can change what is correct today and not tommorrow. Retired
... and glad I don't have to be politically correct any longer. I just try
... to use common sense.
So why were you telling us to be PC in a previous thread ? Make up your mind, will you ?
======
Where are we going to and why are we in a handbasket ?
Feb 12th 2003, 5:29 am
#80
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Re: Safety?
Stratos Fear wrote:
>
> In article ,
> "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote:
>
> > Runge wrote:
> > >
> > > Ohhhh yeah OK I said black, well its the direct translation from my language
> > > Should I say "colored"?
> >
> > The "proper" term changes (sometimes from day to day). There was a time
> > when "black" was considered an insult, and "negro" was the proper word.
> > Then the correct word was "colored", then it revolved back to "black"
> > again - now I think the politically correct term is "Afro-American" (but
> > that may change, tomorrow).
>
> You're just full of misinformation, aren't you?
>
> Call someone an Afro-American and you're either gonna get popped in the
> nose or laughed at.
Really? Then why do they call themselves that - as in "Afro-Americans
for L. A. Opera" - a support group for our local opera company, which
was named and organized by its members (most of them
black/negro/colored/whatever-is-the-accepted-term)? It's also the term
most used on college campuses here - but of course you wouldn't know
anything about institutions of higher learning, would you?
>
> In article ,
> "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote:
>
> > Runge wrote:
> > >
> > > Ohhhh yeah OK I said black, well its the direct translation from my language
> > > Should I say "colored"?
> >
> > The "proper" term changes (sometimes from day to day). There was a time
> > when "black" was considered an insult, and "negro" was the proper word.
> > Then the correct word was "colored", then it revolved back to "black"
> > again - now I think the politically correct term is "Afro-American" (but
> > that may change, tomorrow).
>
> You're just full of misinformation, aren't you?
>
> Call someone an Afro-American and you're either gonna get popped in the
> nose or laughed at.
Really? Then why do they call themselves that - as in "Afro-Americans
for L. A. Opera" - a support group for our local opera company, which
was named and organized by its members (most of them
black/negro/colored/whatever-is-the-accepted-term)? It's also the term
most used on college campuses here - but of course you wouldn't know
anything about institutions of higher learning, would you?
Feb 12th 2003, 5:34 am
#81
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Re: Safety?
Marie Lewis wrote:
>
> In article , Alejandro
> writes
> >If you are paranoid after all, I agree, it's not worth worrying. Stay
> >at home. Non-paranoid Americans are welcome.
>
> Just to let you know: Heathrow is, as of today, patrolled by the army
> and there are tanks and APCs parked outside the terminals. It may have
> something to do with Eid.
>
> I am in no way a scaredy cat but even I wouldn't use Heathrow for the
> time being.
Well, that's your prerogative. It might not make me very happy, but I'd
certainly not cancel a flight into LHR because of it, were I scheduled
for a trip to Europe in the near future.
>
> --
> Marie Lewis
>
> In article , Alejandro
> writes
> >If you are paranoid after all, I agree, it's not worth worrying. Stay
> >at home. Non-paranoid Americans are welcome.
>
> Just to let you know: Heathrow is, as of today, patrolled by the army
> and there are tanks and APCs parked outside the terminals. It may have
> something to do with Eid.
>
> I am in no way a scaredy cat but even I wouldn't use Heathrow for the
> time being.
Well, that's your prerogative. It might not make me very happy, but I'd
certainly not cancel a flight into LHR because of it, were I scheduled
for a trip to Europe in the near future.
>
> --
> Marie Lewis
Feb 12th 2003, 5:38 am
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Re: Safety?
Jonathan Morton wrote:
>
> "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> >Whatever errors our European posters may make, they are posting
> intelligibly in what is for them a >foreign language. Comparatively few
> Americans are able to do the same in any European language.
>
> Maybe that should be "a European language other than English" :-)
Well, yes - although wasn't it Oscar Wilde who said we were "divided by
a common tongue"? (Or GBS, or some other famous literary personage.)
>
> Jonathan
>
> "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> >Whatever errors our European posters may make, they are posting
> intelligibly in what is for them a >foreign language. Comparatively few
> Americans are able to do the same in any European language.
>
> Maybe that should be "a European language other than English" :-)
Well, yes - although wasn't it Oscar Wilde who said we were "divided by
a common tongue"? (Or GBS, or some other famous literary personage.)
>
> Jonathan
Feb 12th 2003, 5:40 am
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Re: Safety?
Richard wrote:
>
> "kyle" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Belguim(what a useless piece of land!)
>
> Obviously you've yet to try any of their beers...
......Or moules!
>
> Richard
>
> "kyle" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Belguim(what a useless piece of land!)
>
> Obviously you've yet to try any of their beers...
......Or moules!
>
> Richard
Feb 12th 2003, 5:48 am
#84
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Re: Terminology?
Frank Matthews wrote:
>
> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
> >
> > Runge wrote:
> >
> >>Ohhhh yeah OK I said black, well its the direct translation from my language
> >>Should I say "colored"?
>
> > The "proper" term changes (sometimes from day to day). There was a time
> > when "black" was considered an insult, and "negro" was the proper word.
> > Then the correct word was "colored", then it revolved back to "black"
> > again - now I think the politically correct term is "Afro-American" (but
> > that may change, tomorrow).
>
> The problem there is that it should also be applied to whites from South
> Africa or Zimbabwe or the Mediterranean area who immigrate to the US.
>
> Kinda like we should use Native American not Hispanic for the Indios who
> come north.
>
> Frank Matthews
You have a point! Of course, I rejoiced when (back in the late 1950's)
it became illegal for employment applications to ask a candidate's race,
religion or national origin - I thought we were finally on our way to
being "color-blind" in terms of employment opportunities. ....But then
came "Affirmative Action", and however well intentioned its aims, we
were right back to demanding the same information again.
>
> snip
>
> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
> >
> > Runge wrote:
> >
> >>Ohhhh yeah OK I said black, well its the direct translation from my language
> >>Should I say "colored"?
>
> > The "proper" term changes (sometimes from day to day). There was a time
> > when "black" was considered an insult, and "negro" was the proper word.
> > Then the correct word was "colored", then it revolved back to "black"
> > again - now I think the politically correct term is "Afro-American" (but
> > that may change, tomorrow).
>
> The problem there is that it should also be applied to whites from South
> Africa or Zimbabwe or the Mediterranean area who immigrate to the US.
>
> Kinda like we should use Native American not Hispanic for the Indios who
> come north.
>
> Frank Matthews
You have a point! Of course, I rejoiced when (back in the late 1950's)
it became illegal for employment applications to ask a candidate's race,
religion or national origin - I thought we were finally on our way to
being "color-blind" in terms of employment opportunities. ....But then
came "Affirmative Action", and however well intentioned its aims, we
were right back to demanding the same information again.
>
> snip
Feb 12th 2003, 6:04 am
#85
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Re: Safety?
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
>> Call someone an Afro-American and you're either gonna get popped in the
>> nose or laughed at.
> Really? Then why do they call themselves that - as in "Afro-Americans
> for L. A. Opera" - a support group for our local opera company, which
> was named and organized by its members (most of them
> black/negro/colored/whatever-is-the-accepted-term)? It's also the term
> most used on college campuses here
"African-American" maybe?
miguel
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>> Call someone an Afro-American and you're either gonna get popped in the
>> nose or laughed at.
> Really? Then why do they call themselves that - as in "Afro-Americans
> for L. A. Opera" - a support group for our local opera company, which
> was named and organized by its members (most of them
> black/negro/colored/whatever-is-the-accepted-term)? It's also the term
> most used on college campuses here
"African-American" maybe?
miguel
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Feb 12th 2003, 6:29 am
#86
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Re: Safety?
In article ,
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote:
> Marie Lewis wrote:
> >
> > In article , Alejandro
> > writes
> > >If you are paranoid after all, I agree, it's not worth worrying. Stay
> > >at home. Non-paranoid Americans are welcome.
> >
> > Just to let you know: Heathrow is, as of today, patrolled by the army
> > and there are tanks and APCs parked outside the terminals. It may have
> > something to do with Eid.
> >
> > I am in no way a scaredy cat but even I wouldn't use Heathrow for the
> > time being.
>
> Well, that's your prerogative. It might not make me very happy, but I'd
> certainly not cancel a flight into LHR because of it, were I scheduled
> for a trip to Europe in the near future.
I'm arriving at LHR this coming Tuesday. Cest la vie!
^OHV^
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote:
> Marie Lewis wrote:
> >
> > In article , Alejandro
> > writes
> > >If you are paranoid after all, I agree, it's not worth worrying. Stay
> > >at home. Non-paranoid Americans are welcome.
> >
> > Just to let you know: Heathrow is, as of today, patrolled by the army
> > and there are tanks and APCs parked outside the terminals. It may have
> > something to do with Eid.
> >
> > I am in no way a scaredy cat but even I wouldn't use Heathrow for the
> > time being.
>
> Well, that's your prerogative. It might not make me very happy, but I'd
> certainly not cancel a flight into LHR because of it, were I scheduled
> for a trip to Europe in the near future.
I'm arriving at LHR this coming Tuesday. Cest la vie!
^OHV^
Feb 12th 2003, 7:57 am
#87
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Re: Safety?
In article ,
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" writes
>Marie Lewis wrote:
>> I am in no way a scaredy cat but even I wouldn't use Heathrow for the
>> time being.
>Well, that's your prerogative. It might not make me very happy, but I'd
>certainly not cancel a flight into LHR because of it, were I scheduled
>for a trip to Europe in the near future.
There are so many other airports to fly into. I would never use
Heathrow as a preference, anyway.
--
Marie Lewis
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" writes
>Marie Lewis wrote:
>> I am in no way a scaredy cat but even I wouldn't use Heathrow for the
>> time being.
>Well, that's your prerogative. It might not make me very happy, but I'd
>certainly not cancel a flight into LHR because of it, were I scheduled
>for a trip to Europe in the near future.
There are so many other airports to fly into. I would never use
Heathrow as a preference, anyway.
--
Marie Lewis
Feb 12th 2003, 7:57 am
#88
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Re: Safety?
In article , OHV
writes
>I'm arriving at LHR this coming Tuesday. Cest la vie!
Ou bien la mort. Esperons que non!
--
Marie Lewis
writes
>I'm arriving at LHR this coming Tuesday. Cest la vie!
Ou bien la mort. Esperons que non!
--
Marie Lewis
Feb 12th 2003, 10:37 am
#89
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Re: Safety?
are you saying that others do not make mistakes in their language. hogwash.
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Runge wrote:
> >
> > Ohhhh yeah OK I said black, well its the direct translation from my
language
> > Should I say "colored"?
> The "proper" term changes (sometimes from day to day). There was a time
> when "black" was considered an insult, and "negro" was the proper word.
> Then the correct word was "colored", then it revolved back to "black"
> again - now I think the politically correct term is "Afro-American" (but
> that may change, tomorrow).
> > Anyway I would have thought real travellers could understand the
differences
> > in languages and the fact that non US citizens don't always write and
talk
> > like people in kansas...
> Which is why most of us see no reason to criticize spelling and grammar,
> here (unless the poster is American - they SHOULD know their own
> language, but often do not). Whatever errors our European posters may
> make, they are posting intelligibly in what is for them a foreign
> language. Comparatively few Americans are able to do the same in any
> European language.
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Runge wrote:
> >
> > Ohhhh yeah OK I said black, well its the direct translation from my
language
> > Should I say "colored"?
> The "proper" term changes (sometimes from day to day). There was a time
> when "black" was considered an insult, and "negro" was the proper word.
> Then the correct word was "colored", then it revolved back to "black"
> again - now I think the politically correct term is "Afro-American" (but
> that may change, tomorrow).
> > Anyway I would have thought real travellers could understand the
differences
> > in languages and the fact that non US citizens don't always write and
talk
> > like people in kansas...
> Which is why most of us see no reason to criticize spelling and grammar,
> here (unless the poster is American - they SHOULD know their own
> language, but often do not). Whatever errors our European posters may
> make, they are posting intelligibly in what is for them a foreign
> language. Comparatively few Americans are able to do the same in any
> European language.
Feb 12th 2003, 9:13 pm
#90
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Re: Safety?
"Deep Floyd Mars" wrote:
> Richard wrote:
> > "kyle" wrote:
> > > Belguim(what a useless piece of land!)
> > Obviously you've yet to try any of their beers...
> Bring out the Hoegaarden, Leff, and any of that crazy chocolate beer, I
say!
Crazy chocolate beers? Apparently I've still got some Belgian beer-tasting
ahead of me. Can you give me some names?
Richard
> Richard wrote:
> > "kyle" wrote:
> > > Belguim(what a useless piece of land!)
> > Obviously you've yet to try any of their beers...
> Bring out the Hoegaarden, Leff, and any of that crazy chocolate beer, I
say!
Crazy chocolate beers? Apparently I've still got some Belgian beer-tasting
ahead of me. Can you give me some names?
Richard