"Hatunen" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
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    > On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 01:46:19 +0000 (UTC), Juliana L Holm
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>In rec.travel.europe Hatunen <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>>All of the rail passes I have purchased have had my passport number on
    >>>>them. It is written in by the agency selling the pass.
    >>> Odd, that. When I bought our Eurailpasses over the Web from
    >>> www.railpass.com they didn't have our passport numbers on them. I
    >>> don't believe we even had our passports then, and I know they
    >>> didn't ask for them. Perhaps if you buy them over the counter?
    >>I cannot vouch for Eurail as I have never used them. I have, however,
    >>used
    >>German Rail passes which I got with no passport number on them. The first
    >>time I used them, they put the passport number on them.
    > Huh. The German rail passes are available to all comers so why
    > would a passport even be necessary?
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It's personal and sold only to people permanently residing outside Europe.
Thus it must have the holders name and passport number (eventually an ID)
The similar thing for Europeans is "EuroDomino Germany", not available for
German residents thus a name and passport or ID is required for use.

Miguel Cruz wrote:
    > Jean S. Barto <[email protected]> wrote:
    > > Thanks for the advice, everyone--guess I'll have to carry both passports
    > > with me during my trip, and be prepared to present my US passport on the
    > > train as required--and use the Irish passport at passport control (whichever
    > > ones are left) as required.
    > You must have your real passport with you anyway, because if you are a US
    > citizen (even if you are also a citizen of some other country) holding a US
    > passport it is illegal to enter the US by showing any other passport.

"Real" passport. Irish passports are real passports, too. You're
correct that the holder must have a US passport in order to return to
the US, but you could have probably used a better word other than
"real".

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    > Miguel Cruz wrote:
    >> Jean S. Barto <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> > Thanks for the advice, everyone--guess I'll have to carry both
    >> > passports
    >> > with me during my trip, and be prepared to present my US passport on
    >> > the
    >> > train as required--and use the Irish passport at passport control
    >> > (whichever
    >> > ones are left) as required.
    >> You must have your real passport with you anyway, because if you are a US
    >> citizen (even if you are also a citizen of some other country) holding a
    >> US
    >> passport it is illegal to enter the US by showing any other passport.
    > "Real" passport. Irish passports are real passports, too. You're
    > correct that the holder must have a US passport in order to return to
    > the US, but you could have probably used a better word other than
    > "real".
And I guess the o.p is to be regarded as an Irishman and Irish citizen as
well as an American.
As I can see some people here seem to regard the Irish citizenship as a
secondary thing.

On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 12:44:27 GMT, "Lennart Petersen"
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >"Hatunen" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
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    >> On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 01:46:19 +0000 (UTC), Juliana L Holm
    >> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>German Rail passes which I got with no passport number on them. The first
    >>>time I used them, they put the passport number on them.
    >> Huh. The German rail passes are available to all comers so why
    >> would a passport even be necessary?
    >-------------
    >It's personal and sold only to people permanently residing outside Europe.

Uh. I thought Germans could buy them. Learn something new every
day.

    >Thus it must have the holders name and passport number (eventually an ID)
    >The similar thing for Europeans is "EuroDomino Germany", not available for
    >German residents thus a name and passport or ID is required for use.

I knew about Domino.

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<[email protected]> wrote:
    > Miguel Cruz wrote:
    >> Jean S. Barto <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>> Thanks for the advice, everyone--guess I'll have to carry both passports
    >>> with me during my trip, and be prepared to present my US passport on the
    >>> train as required--and use the Irish passport at passport control (whichever
    >>> ones are left) as required.
    >> You must have your real passport with you anyway, because if you are a US
    >> citizen (even if you are also a citizen of some other country) holding a US
    >> passport it is illegal to enter the US by showing any other passport.
    > "Real" passport. Irish passports are real passports, too. You're
    > correct that the holder must have a US passport in order to return to
    > the US, but you could have probably used a better word other than
    > "real".

Surely you've read enough of my posts to know that was not my meaning.

I simply meant the passport that the poster has always used in the past for
travel, rather than a secondary one obtained as a result of a distant
connection.

miguel
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THe railpasses have a place for the passport number and the country of
the passport. That is entered onto the Eurailpass when you have it
validated in the country of use. In our case the lady at the rail
station in the Zurich airport took our passports and entered the
information into the railpasses.
--
wf.

Hatunen wrote:
    >
    > >All of the rail passes I have purchased have had my passport number on
    > >them. It is written in by the agency selling the pass.
    >
    > Odd, that. When I bought our Eurailpasses over the Web from
    > www.railpass.com they didn't have our passport numbers on them. I
    > don't believe we even had our passports then, and I know they
    > didn't ask for them. Perhaps if you buy them over the counter?

In rec.travel.europe Hatunen <[email protected]> wrote:
B
    >>I cannot vouch for Eurail as I have never used them. I have, however, used
    >>German Rail passes which I got with no passport number on them. The first
    >>time I used them, they put the passport number on them.

    > Huh. The German rail passes are available to all comers so why
    > would a passport even be necessary?

Nope. There are different kinds of rail passes, including one only available
to people who live outside Europe.

Julie
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On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 19:52:31 -0600, randee <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >THe railpasses have a place for the passport number and the country of
    >the passport. That is entered onto the Eurailpass when you have it
    >validated in the country of use. In our case the lady at the rail
    >station in the Zurich airport took our passports and entered the
    >information into the railpasses.

I ran across our Eurailpass from 1996 and it does, indeed, hane
our pasport numbers on it. I beleive they were written in by the
clerk in Brussels when we got seat reservatons for the train to
Copenhagen.

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Hatunen <[email protected]> wrote:

    > On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 19:52:31 -0600, randee <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    > >THe railpasses have a place for the passport number and the country of
    > >the passport. That is entered onto the Eurailpass when you have it
    > >validated in the country of use. In our case the lady at the rail
    > >station in the Zurich airport took our passports and entered the
    > >information into the railpasses.
    >
    > I ran across our Eurailpass from 1996 and it does, indeed, hane
    > our pasport numbers on it. I beleive they were written in by the
    > clerk in Brussels when we got seat reservatons for the train to
    > Copenhagen.

Ours were similarly 'validated' in Brussels, but that was literally the
last time they looked inside the passports. We presented them along with
the tickets, but they never looked at them.

--
David Horne- www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk

Regarding passport controls, there are none inside the Schengen area
(most of continental Europe, with the exception of Switzerland at the
moment - though that may have changed by the time you arrive).

As an American citizen, you don't need a visa to enter the EU, and you
can stay for up to 90 days. Obviously if you want to stay over 90 days
then I'd have thought you should probably enter the EU on your Irish
visa, though I'm not sure how that works out with border controls. (Can
you use an American passport to leave America, and then use an Irish
passport when you land in the EU???)

The Interrail (EU citizens only) pass is significantly cheaper than the
Eurail pass (non-EU citizens only), but obviously if you're not
resident in the EU then you can't get one. You can only buy a Eurrail
pass with a non-EU passport, so I'd have thought you'd have to show
your American passport when requested. If they looked closely
(unlikely) then things might get a bit dodgy. Better err on the side of
caution.

Hope you have a great trip

"mark" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
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    > Regarding passport controls, there are none inside the Schengen area
    > (most of continental Europe, with the exception of Switzerland at the
    > moment - though that may have changed by the time you arrive).
    > As an American citizen, you don't need a visa to enter the EU, and you
    > can stay for up to 90 days. Obviously if you want to stay over 90 days
    > then I'd have thought you should probably enter the EU on your Irish
    > visa, though I'm not sure how that works out with border controls. (Can
    > you use an American passport to leave America, and then use an Irish
    > passport when you land in the EU???)
    > The Interrail (EU citizens only) pass is significantly cheaper than the
    > Eurail pass (non-EU citizens only), but obviously if you're not
    > resident in the EU then you can't get one.
You can only buy a Eurrail
    > pass with a non-EU passport,
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Sure you can buy Eurrail as a European citizen assuming you've been
permanently (for at least 6 months residing outside Europe)

mark wrote:

    > Can
    > you use an American passport to leave America, and then use an Irish
    > passport when you land in the EU???
    >
Yes.

    > The Interrail (EU citizens only) pass is significantly cheaper than the
    > Eurail pass (non-EU citizens only), but obviously if you're not
    > resident in the EU then you can't get one. You can only buy a Eurrail
    > pass with a non-EU passport, so I'd have thought you'd have to show
    > your American passport when requested. If they looked closely
    > (unlikely) then things might get a bit dodgy. Better err on the side of
    > caution.
    >
It's not citizenship, but _residence_, which determines your eligibility
for the various passes.