On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 00:42:13 -0400, "Mike" <[email protected]> wrote:

>So is terrorism. Wake up.Your white sheet stuff is pure crap.
> Mike

You feel that by criticising someone who uses a phrase such as "some
stinking muzlime" I am defending terrorism? Interesting view there,
Mike, let's see you expand on it.
TIA

>
>"Dave Witmarsh" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
>> On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 02:29:54 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne)
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Dave Witmarsh <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 17:08:27 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>[]
>>>> >TMOliver wrote:
>>>[]
>>>> >> Had I been one of the other pax, I would have been happy to move....
>>>> >>
>>>> >> For Compensation....
>>>> >>
>>>> >> A half dozen First or Business RTs to London.....
>>>> >>
>>>> >> A nice Patek Phillipe....
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >Of course the *best* compensation would be not having to sit adjacent
>>>> >to
>>>> >some stinking muzlime...
>>>>
>>>> Hey Greg the cleaners just called - your white sheets are ready for
>>>> you to pick up.
>>>
>>>Well, they do get soiled quite a bit, apparently.
>>
>> Yeah, burning all those crosses must be a dirty business.
>>
>

Dave Witmarsh wrote:

> On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 02:29:54 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne)
> wrote:
>
> >Dave Witmarsh <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 17:08:27 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >[]
> >> >TMOliver wrote:
> >[]
> >> >> Had I been one of the other pax, I would have been happy to move....
> >> >>
> >> >> For Compensation....
> >> >>
> >> >> A half dozen First or Business RTs to London.....
> >> >>
> >> >> A nice Patek Phillipe....
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Of course the *best* compensation would be not having to sit adjacent
to
> >> >some stinking muzlime...
> >>
> >> Hey Greg the cleaners just called - your white sheets are ready for
> >> you to pick up.
> >
> >Well, they do get soiled quite a bit, apparently.
>
> Yeah, burning all those crosses must be a dirty business.


Do inform Mr. Horne that my sheets are *quite* clean, thank you; unlike him
I don't have some Peruvian screwing me up the bum every night...

:-)))


--
Best
Greg

"I am smarter than you think I am"
- Maryanne "Loafhead" Kehoe to me
in alt.gossip.celebrities

hummingbird <[email protected]> writes:

[responding to 'GeorgeOrwell']

>> Why did it take 3 hours to dump the unruly passengers?
>> On a US airline, it would have taken ten seconds, and
>> then they would all have been handcuffed and dragged off!!

> Not everybody lives in a police state?


*boggle*

WTF does living in a "police state" have to do with it?
Those inconsiderate asses interfered with other people's
travel, not to mention legitimate international commerce.

Your mentioning a police state hints that you're a bit of
a liberal. Liberals are big on rights, so weigh this:
The unruly passengers obviously believed that their rights
as to seat preference trumped the right of their fellow
passenegers to go about their travelsm which was patently
absurd. How would *you* feel if you'd been a passenger on
that plane?

If it'd been up to me, those nitwits would've been soaked
down with Mace, *then* handcuffed and dragged off the plane.



Geoff

--
"She is descended from a long line that her mother listened to."
-- Gypsy Rose Lee

On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 16:35:11 -0000, [email protected] (Geoff Miller)
wrote:

>
>
>hummingbird <[email protected]> writes:
>
>[responding to 'GeorgeOrwell']
>
>>> Why did it take 3 hours to dump the unruly passengers?
>>> On a US airline, it would have taken ten seconds, and
>>> then they would all have been handcuffed and dragged off!!
>
>> Not everybody lives in a police state?
>
>
>*boggle*
>
>WTF does living in a "police state" have to do with it?
>Those inconsiderate asses interfered with other people's
>travel, not to mention legitimate international commerce.
>
>Your mentioning a police state hints that you're a bit of
>a liberal. Liberals are big on rights, so weigh this:
>The unruly passengers obviously believed that their rights
>as to seat preference trumped the right of their fellow
>passenegers to go about their travelsm which was patently
>absurd. How would *you* feel if you'd been a passenger on
>that plane?
>
>If it'd been up to me, those nitwits would've been soaked
>down with Mace, *then* handcuffed and dragged off the plane.

That's exactly why it's not up to you

On Aug 1, 12:20 pm, [email protected] (John Kulp) wrote:
> On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 16:35:11 -0000, [email protected] (Geoff Miller)
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >hummingbird <[email protected]> writes:
>
> >[responding to 'GeorgeOrwell']
>
> >>> Why did it take 3 hours to dump the unruly passengers?
> >>> On a US airline, it would have taken ten seconds, and
> >>> then they would all have been handcuffed and dragged off!!
>
> >> Not everybody lives in a police state?
>
> >*boggle*
>
> >WTF does living in a "police state" have to do with it?
> >Those inconsiderate asses interfered with other people's
> >travel, not to mention legitimate international commerce.
>
> >Your mentioning a police state hints that you're a bit of
> >a liberal. Liberals are big on rights, so weigh this:
> >The unruly passengers obviously believed that their rights
> >as to seat preference trumped the right of their fellow
> >passenegers to go about their travelsm which was patently
> >absurd. How would *you* feel if you'd been a passenger on
> >that plane?
>
> >If it'd been up to me, those nitwits would've been soaked
> >down with Mace, *then* handcuffed and dragged off the plane.
>
> That's exactly why it's not up to you- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Oh-well - to be honest, while Geoff was macing them, I'd be pushing
them off the plane.

On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 16:35:11 -0000, [email protected] (Geoff Miller)
wrote:

>
>
>hummingbird <[email protected]> writes:
>
>[responding to 'GeorgeOrwell']
>
>>> Why did it take 3 hours to dump the unruly passengers?
>>> On a US airline, it would have taken ten seconds, and
>>> then they would all have been handcuffed and dragged off!!
>
>> Not everybody lives in a police state?
>
>
>*boggle*
>
>WTF does living in a "police state" have to do with it?
>Those inconsiderate asses interfered with other people's
>travel, not to mention legitimate international commerce.
>
>Your mentioning a police state hints that you're a bit of
>a liberal. Liberals are big on rights, so weigh this:
>The unruly passengers obviously believed that their rights
>as to seat preference trumped the right of their fellow
>passenegers to go about their travelsm which was patently
>absurd. How would *you* feel if you'd been a passenger on
>that plane?
>
>If it'd been up to me, those nitwits would've been soaked
>down with Mace, *then* handcuffed and dragged off the plane.

But then, *you* live in a police state, so you'd be used to that sort
of action.
>
>
>
>Geoff

On Aug 1, 4:52 pm, Dave Witmarsh <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 16:35:11 -0000, [email protected] (Geoff Miller)
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >hummingbird <[email protected]> writes:
>
> >[responding to 'GeorgeOrwell']
>
> >>> Why did it take 3 hours to dump the unruly passengers?
> >>> On a US airline, it would have taken ten seconds, and
> >>> then they would all have been handcuffed and dragged off!!
>
> >> Not everybody lives in a police state?
>
> >*boggle*
>
> >WTF does living in a "police state" have to do with it?
> >Those inconsiderate asses interfered with other people's
> >travel, not to mention legitimate international commerce.
>
> >Your mentioning a police state hints that you're a bit of
> >a liberal. Liberals are big on rights, so weigh this:
> >The unruly passengers obviously believed that their rights
> >as to seat preference trumped the right of their fellow
> >passenegers to go about their travelsm which was patently
> >absurd. How would *you* feel if you'd been a passenger on
> >that plane?
>
> >If it'd been up to me, those nitwits would've been soaked
> >down with Mace, *then* handcuffed and dragged off the plane.
>
> But then, *you* live in a police state, so you'd be used to that sort
> of action.
>
What does a "police state" have to do with it? I would be pissed if I
had to sit on a plane for 3 hours just because some assholes wern't
happy with the seating arrangements. Their seat assignments were on
their boarding passes. They could have complained *before* boarding
the plane.

On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 16:35:11 -0000 'Geoff Miller'
posted this onto rec.travel.air:

>hummingbird <[email protected]> writes:
>
>[responding to 'GeorgeOrwell']
>
>>> Why did it take 3 hours to dump the unruly passengers?
>>> On a US airline, it would have taken ten seconds, and
>>> then they would all have been handcuffed and dragged off!!
>
>> Not everybody lives in a police state?
>
>
>*boggle*
>
>WTF does living in a "police state" have to do with it?

The OP did say "...it would have taken ten seconds, and then
they would all have been handcuffed and dragged off!!"

That looks awfully like a police state to me.

The only ground I will give you is that some of the Arab sheiks
in the M/E can be a bit OTT in the ego dept.

>Those inconsiderate asses interfered with other people's
>travel, not to mention legitimate international commerce.

I agree but sh*t happens and the only problem I can see is that
it took three hours to decide how to handle it.

>Your mentioning a police state hints that you're a bit of
>a liberal. Liberals are big on rights, so weigh this:
>The unruly passengers obviously believed that their rights
>as to seat preference trumped the right of their fellow
>passenegers to go about their travelsm which was patently
>absurd. How would *you* feel if you'd been a passenger on
>that plane?

I wonder if there's a dash of anti-Arabism in your comments?

Fwiw I'm a (moderate) libertarian. We don't define people as being
"liberal" or not in the UK. That's largely an American term.

I'd probably have been irritated that the airline didn't have a
better procedure for handling such issues *before* they arise.

>If it'd been up to me, those nitwits would've been soaked
>down with Mace, *then* handcuffed and dragged off the plane.

Indeed, a police state. Beware of what you wish for...

On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 23:27:43 -0000 'Jim Davis'
posted this onto rec.travel.air:

[snip]

>What does a "police state" have to do with it?

The proposed actions described by ano poster.


>I would be pissed if I
>had to sit on a plane for 3 hours just because some assholes wern't
>happy with the seating arrangements. Their seat assignments were on
>their boarding passes. They could have complained *before* boarding
>the plane.

That *is* the main issue here and it should have been dealt with on
those grounds in much less than three hours.

John Kulp <[email protected]> writes:

> That's exactly why it's not up to you

It *should* be, smartass, -- or more precisely, up to
someone _like_ me.


You can bet your ass and hat that if something like that
happened here in America, it would've been resoved far
more quickly -- and with the use of Mace if necessary.
If that makes this a "police state," then so be it.

(You'll recall that it was but a trice before those so-
called "flying imams" were all but grabbed by their tongues
and cocks and dragged off that flight to Phoenix awhile back.)

The British are so hobbled by political correctness, and
so terrified of putting a foot wrong and risking "offence"
to Muslims, that they were paralyzed into inactivity for
three hours. That's shameful.



Geoff

--
"That woman speaks eight languages and can't say 'no' in
any of them." -- Dorothy Parker

On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 21:23:10 -0000, [email protected] (Geoff Miller)
wrote:

>
>
>John Kulp <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> That's exactly why it's not up to you
>
>It *should* be, smartass, -- or more precisely, up to
>someone _like_ me.

Some chest beater when an IQ of 10?
>
>
>You can bet your ass and hat that if something like that
>happened here in America, it would've been resoved far
>more quickly -- and with the use of Mace if necessary.
>If that makes this a "police state," then so be it.

Hardly. You would be arrested for trying to bring Mace through
security and that would take care of your babbling bravado.

>
>(You'll recall that it was but a trice before those so-
>called "flying imams" were all but grabbed by their tongues
>and cocks and dragged off that flight to Phoenix awhile back.)

Hardly. They were removed by professionals trained to do the removal,
not some chest beating ape.

>
>The British are so hobbled by political correctness, and
>so terrified of putting a foot wrong and risking "offence"
>to Muslims, that they were paralyzed into inactivity for
>three hours. That's shameful.

Really? How did all that happen when the plane was in Italy where the
incident was handled by Italian police and Qatari diplomats?

Dave Witmarsh <[email protected]> writes:

: If it'd been up to me, those nitwits would've been soaked
: down with Mace, *then* handcuffed and dragged off the plane.

> But then, *you* live in a police state, so you'd be used to
> that sort of action.


It still hasn't been explained to my satisfaction why that sort
of response would make a place a "police state." It seems to
me that it would mean the police were doing their job. Nothing
more, nothing less.

To liberals, of course, any sort of police action whatsoever is
_ipso facto_ evidence of a police state. Unless those people
themselves need the help of the police, in which case it's
suddenly a matter of, "'Please to walk in front, sir,' when
there's trouble in the wind."

Consider what happened: there were unreasonable demands placed on
the crew of a commercial aircraft because the seating arrangements
didn't humor their culture. Well, ****** their culture. They were
on an aircraft belonging to a western airline, not a Middle Eastern
airline. How does that old saying go? "When in Rome..."?

If a Westerner, particularly an American, were to create a newsworthy
incident by making an ugly scene and demanding that the locals in a
foreign country do things "his" way, he'd be raked over the coals by
the chattering classes in a matter of nanoseconds. And rightfully so.
But these people are apparently exempt from criticism because they're
(a) non-Westerners and (b) Muslims.

"Listen up, Habib. Either you and your pals square your asses away
right quick, or you'll feel the toe of my right Florsheim against
your glutei as you're unceremoniously booted out the open door of my
airplane right here and right now, without the benefit of stairs.
You can walk back to the terminal. Now then, what's it going to be?"



Geoff

--
"That woman speaks eight languages and can't say 'no' in
any of them." -- Dorothy Parker

Jim Davis <[email protected]> writes:

> Their seat assignments were on their boarding passes.
> They could have complained *before* boarding the plane.


Members of Islamic cultures have learned that they can
often get their way by making a public scene and putting
members of a European culture on the defensive. Any number
of examples of this can be found in Melanie Phillips' book
_Londonistan_.

The same sort of thing is being tried here in America by CAIR.
The best example, of course, is the lawsuit over the "flying
imams" incident.

I've a feeling they're going to find that they won't make much
headway here, though. Unlike the British, we're not a bunch of
eunuchs who are wracked with politically correct, postcolonial
guilt and are in the process of committing cultural suicide.



Geoff

--
"That woman speaks eight languages and can't say 'no' in
any of them." -- Dorothy Parker

On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 22:02:11 -0000, [email protected] (Geoff Miller)
wrote:

>
>
>Jim Davis <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> Their seat assignments were on their boarding passes.
>> They could have complained *before* boarding the plane.
>
>
>Members of Islamic cultures have learned that they can
>often get their way by making a public scene and putting
>members of a European culture on the defensive. Any number
>of examples of this can be found in Melanie Phillips' book
>_Londonistan_.
>
>The same sort of thing is being tried here in America by CAIR.
>The best example, of course, is the lawsuit over the "flying
>imams" incident.
>
>I've a feeling they're going to find that they won't make much
>headway here, though. Unlike the British, we're not a bunch of
>eunuchs who are wracked with politically correct, postcolonial
>guilt and are in the process of committing cultural suicide.
>

Right Terminator. That's why we have something like 20 million
illegals in the country.

hummingbird <[email protected]> writes:

: WTF does living in a "police state" have to do with it?

> The OP did say "...it would have taken ten seconds, and then
> they would all have been handcuffed and dragged off!!"

> That looks awfully like a police state to me.

Why? Is it the handcuffs, the being dragged off the plane,
or its hypothetically taking ten seconds? Or maybe just the
mere presence of the police?


> The only ground I will give you is that some of the Arab
> sheiks in the M/E can be a bit OTT in the ego dept.

Isn't that all the more reason to be firm and assertive
with them when one is in the right?


: Those inconsiderate asses interfered with other people's
: travel, not to mention legitimate international commerce.

> I agree but sh*t happens and the only problem I can see is
> that it took three hours to decide how to handle it.

So...you object to the fact that it took three hours to remove
these people from the plane, but you'd also have objected if it
took only ten seconds. Which way do you want it?


: Your mentioning a police state hints that you're a bit of a
: liberal. Liberals are big on rights, so weigh this: The
: unruly passengers obviously believed that their rights as
: to seat preference trumped the right of their fellow pas-
: senegers to go about their travelsm which was patently
: absurd. How would *you* feel if you'd been a passenger on
: that plane?

> I wonder if there's a dash of anti-Arabism in your comments?

Nice attempt at diversion. I never even mentioned Arabs in the
quoted passage, as you can see. And just by the bye, you'll
find that I don't crumple like tissue paper in the face of
accusations of racism and the like. It's an American thing.


> Fwiw I'm a (moderate) libertarian. We don't define people
> as being "liberal" or not in the UK. That's largely an
> American term.

That's interesting to hear. I've read any number of books and
articles by British authors in which the terms "liberal" and
"conservative" were used. Moreover, I understand that there
even used to be a Liberal political party in the UK.


>I'd probably have been irritated that the airline didn't have a
>better procedure for handling such issues *before* they arise.

So it's the airline's fault for failing to anticipate every
possible way in which passengers can be unreasonable? Sounds
like a pretty tall order. I get the impression that you're
bending over backwards to avoid placing the blame on the
shoulders of the passangers because they're Arabs.


: If it'd been up to me, those nitwits would've been soaked
: down with Mace, *then* handcuffed and dragged off the plane.

> Indeed, a police state. Beware of what you wish for...

A sweeping Republican victory in 2008?



Geoff

--
"That woman speaks eight languages and can't say 'no' in
any of them." -- Dorothy Parker