Miguel Cruz

Hatunen <[email protected]> wrote:
    > [email protected] (Miguel Cruz) wrote:
    >> Hatunen <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>> No tourist can ever stay in one place long enough to really know
    >>> it all. So one picks the amount one can do according to one's
    >>> needs, desires and resources. So the discussion here is about the
    >>> length of stay that meets the original poster's needs, desires
    >>> and resources, not yours or mine.
    >> That's correct.
    >> If I worked at Home Depot and someone came in and said "Hi, I'm building a
    >> deck, and I need to know the best kind of hammer to buy to pound in the
    >> screws," I think it would be fair for me to suggest the purchase of a
    >> screwdriver instead.
    > Do you really equate his travel plans with using the wrong tool?

I equate to taking actions that may at first seem clever, but will in fact
not yield the desired outcome, because the person taking them may not be
sufficiently well-informed.

    > is this because the CCD analogy failed?

Actually I consider the CD analogy was a rousing success, reinforced by the
irrelevance of the few limp brickbats lobbed its way. I didn't want to wear
it out so I thought I'd give it a break and try another one.

    >> Now it is entirely possible that this person is like Tim and has a
    >> specific reason why it makes sense to use a hammer. But more likely, they
    >> just don't know any better. Based on what little I know of their needs,
    >> that seems to be the case. I could be wrong.
    >
    > Your analogy sucks swampwater. Travel is a far different thing than
    > building a deck. And you won't last long at Home Depot if you make the
    > customer feel like a fool.

For the past 12 years I have continually failed to receive a raise from
rec.travel.europe, so my attitude has suffered. The pay is reportedly better
at Home Depot.

    > I agree that by asking here he has left himself open to a wide
    > variety of suggestions and opinions, but somewhere one has to
    > realize that one's own reasons for doing travel a certain way are
    > one's own reasons.

Yes, and I will stop well short of showing up at the OP's house and
physically compelling him to do things my way.

miguel
--
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Xor

Jenn <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > "Judith Umbria" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > > "Barbara Vaughan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > tim wrote:
    > > >
    > > > > ... I would much rather do 3 or 4 hours in
    > > > > each of a dozen places (and maybe miss a bit of each place) than do
    > > > > 7 days in one place, however good.
    > > >
    > > > My main problem with such a trip, especially if it is for more than a
    > > > few days, is that I get sensory overload and the constant travelling
    > > > from place to place, changing hotels, packing and unpacking, wears me
    > > > down. The more places you visit, the larger proportion of your total
    > > > time is spent on this kind of stuff, and on highways or in trains.
    > > > Barbara
    > >
    > > I agree. With these nuke a country trips, you might be better going to
    > > Disneyworld and let them bring the stereotype to you, and too, the
    > > pseudo-tourist-version food you will find if you dash a lot.
    > > I've now stayed almost 3 years in one country, having intended to see it
    > > all. I'm still finding new things just within the area I can reach in a day
    > > in my car. I have yet to get on a ferry to an island or get to a place
    > > where spicy food is the norm. I do, however, think I have a sense of the
    > > local character!
    > >
    > >
    >
    > or do Las Vegas -- it is all there, the Eiffel and everything -- and
    > besides if you really don't care about culture and way of life -- well
    > you can shop and gamble



And hey, the REAL London Bridge isn't very far away from Las Vegas!

I thought this was part of Disneyworld's how schtick with their
cutural theme parks - bring the stereotype of other cultures to one
place so Americans never have to leave the country to actually see
them. Kind of like seeing lions and giraffes in a zoo instead of the
wilds of the Serengeti ;-)

Tim Hurson

"Jenn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > Juliana L Holm <[email protected]> wrote:
    > > Jenn <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > > > everyone should plan the trip to meet their own needs ---
    > >
    > > Which is the real answer for the original poster.
    > BUT presumably he posted because he is inexperienced -- so the real
    > 'answer' from each of us is our best wisdom from our own experience --
    > he can then reflect more easily on what he really wants to do

I agree. I subscribe to the see a lot of a small area and immerse yourself
in the surroundings kind of travel. But what the hey, if others like to
cover as much ground as possible in their allotted time that's their choice.
Since we have not seen a response from the original poster I can only
imagine that he is reading this thread and laughing his butt off thinking
we're all a bunch of nut cases! :-)

A different Tim

Owain

"Miguel Cruz" wrote
    | For the past 12 years I have continually failed to receive a raise
    | from rec.travel.europe, so my attitude has suffered. The pay is
    | reportedly better at Home Depot.

But if you work at Home Depot you don't get emails from people all round the
world thanking you for helping to make their holidays wonderful. You do
here. (Well, I do.)

Owain

Deep Flayed Mares

    > >
    > > Tim, Your view is a bit perplexing to me. Seriously, for what reason do
you
    > > travel?
    > To see places that I have never seen before. I guess this is the same
    > as everyone else here. I think that you (and others) have missed the
    > point of my arguement. You have a limited number of days to travel to
    > places the other side of the world to your home. This is a *fact* and
    > my answer is taking account of this FACT!.

The only fact is that you can make as many days for travelling as you want
to. No-one is forced to only have 2 weeks vacation every few decades, not in
western countries at least. If you only want to give yourself one 2 week
holiday in your entire life, then that's your choice. If you want to travel
to your heart's content, that's also your choice. Personally I would rather
be travelling than working, and I plan to wander round the planet for many
years to come.

And being on the other side of the world makes little difference in the
whole scheme of things if you actually WANT to travel.

    > You cannot just increase
    > the number of days that you have available for travelling just so that you
    > can spend 7 days in every town (unless you win the lottery) So, you
    > have two choices as to how you spend these limited number of days.
    > (1) spend those days visiting as many world class sites as possible (my
    > view). (2) focus on a small number of large towns and explore them
    > intimately for a couple of weeks at a time, which inevitably IMHO
    > results in you visiting a lot of places of marginal interest and missing
    > out on the close by, world class sites, almost certainly forever, (this
    > option seems to be the view of the majority here, a result that I find
    > strange).

Only 2 options? Why?

Why not just turn up somewhere in Europe, and stay for a few days if you
like it, or move on if its no good. Make it up as you go along. That's when
you have the best adventures.

There you go, a third option!
---
DFM

Jenn

In article <[email protected] >,
[email protected] (XOR) wrote:

    > Jenn <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:<[email protected]>...
    > > In article <[email protected]>,
    > > "Judith Umbria" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > > > "Barbara Vaughan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > tim wrote:
    > > > >
    > > > > > ... I would much rather do 3 or 4 hours in
    > > > > > each of a dozen places (and maybe miss a bit of each place) than do
    > > > > > 7 days in one place, however good.
    > > > >
    > > > > My main problem with such a trip, especially if it is for more than a
    > > > > few days, is that I get sensory overload and the constant travelling
    > > > > from place to place, changing hotels, packing and unpacking, wears me
    > > > > down. The more places you visit, the larger proportion of your total
    > > > > time is spent on this kind of stuff, and on highways or in trains.
    > > > > Barbara
    > > >
    > > > I agree. With these nuke a country trips, you might be better going to
    > > > Disneyworld and let them bring the stereotype to you, and too, the
    > > > pseudo-tourist-version food you will find if you dash a lot.
    > > > I've now stayed almost 3 years in one country, having intended to see it
    > > > all. I'm still finding new things just within the area I can reach in a
    > > > day
    > > > in my car. I have yet to get on a ferry to an island or get to a place
    > > > where spicy food is the norm. I do, however, think I have a sense of the
    > > > local character!
    > > >
    > > >
    > >
    > > or do Las Vegas -- it is all there, the Eiffel and everything -- and
    > > besides if you really don't care about culture and way of life -- well
    > > you can shop and gamble
    >
    >
    >
    > And hey, the REAL London Bridge isn't very far away from Las Vegas!
    >
    > I thought this was part of Disneyworld's how schtick with their
    > cutural theme parks - bring the stereotype of other cultures to one
    > place so Americans never have to leave the country to actually see
    > them. Kind of like seeing lions and giraffes in a zoo instead of the
    > wilds of the Serengeti ;-)

Well I have often thought that the Louvre should have a room set aside
with replicas of the Winged Victory of Samothrace, the Mona Lisa and the
Venus de Milo -- just for Japanese tourists to stand by and have their
pictures taken -- Each of those items is hard to see because of the
ticket punchers and their cameras.