Pizzas outsell hamburgers 35 to 1 in France
Oct 29th 2004, 5:17 am
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Re: Pizzas outsell hamburgers 35 to 1 in France
Earl Evleth writes:
> In the fast food places in France, for 35 pizzas sold
> for one hamburger and 8 sandwiches.
There are a lot more pizza restaurants than hamburger restaurants. Only
American-style fast-food chains sell any significant number of
hamburgers, and there are only a handful of such chains.
> So it is Italization not Americanization which occurs
> in fast food places!
Hamburgers are not an American invention.
I personally prefer a good pizza to a hamburger, although good pizza is
hard to find.
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> In the fast food places in France, for 35 pizzas sold
> for one hamburger and 8 sandwiches.
There are a lot more pizza restaurants than hamburger restaurants. Only
American-style fast-food chains sell any significant number of
hamburgers, and there are only a handful of such chains.
> So it is Italization not Americanization which occurs
> in fast food places!
Hamburgers are not an American invention.
I personally prefer a good pizza to a hamburger, although good pizza is
hard to find.
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Oct 29th 2004, 5:18 am
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"szozu" <hoppbunny at hotmail com> writes:
> Maybe in Paris, it's possible to find good pizza ...
It's very difficult.
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> Maybe in Paris, it's possible to find good pizza ...
It's very difficult.
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Oct 29th 2004, 5:20 am
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The Reids writes:
> some of the pizzas I see would not be recognised in Italy! "deep
> pie" pastry rather than thin and crispy with weird fillings
> incorporating pineapple or suchlike.
My Sicilian great-grandmother made only "deep dish" pizza, so I suspect
it _would_ be recognized in Italy.
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> some of the pizzas I see would not be recognised in Italy! "deep
> pie" pastry rather than thin and crispy with weird fillings
> incorporating pineapple or suchlike.
My Sicilian great-grandmother made only "deep dish" pizza, so I suspect
it _would_ be recognized in Italy.
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Oct 29th 2004, 5:20 am
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The Reids writes:
> No doubt! But isn't the thing about a sandwich that its a
> container for anything? I suppose you *could* say the same for
> pizza?
The pizza is a platform for anything.
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> No doubt! But isn't the thing about a sandwich that its a
> container for anything? I suppose you *could* say the same for
> pizza?
The pizza is a platform for anything.
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Oct 29th 2004, 5:22 am
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Earl Evleth writes:
> A story by Mark Twain, who spent some time in the Nevada mining
> town of Virigina City is that the richer miners had lobsters
> brought in from the Pacific coast over the Nevada mountains.
>
> The local Indians, having never seen lobster, thought the
> white men were crazy in eating these monster sized insects.
> Real yucky.
Lobster was once considered a food of the poor.
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> A story by Mark Twain, who spent some time in the Nevada mining
> town of Virigina City is that the richer miners had lobsters
> brought in from the Pacific coast over the Nevada mountains.
>
> The local Indians, having never seen lobster, thought the
> white men were crazy in eating these monster sized insects.
> Real yucky.
Lobster was once considered a food of the poor.
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Oct 29th 2004, 5:23 am
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The Reids writes:
> What is it with gluten intolerance? "Everybody" seems to be
> gluten intolerant nowadays, is there a theory why?
The winds of fashion.
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> What is it with gluten intolerance? "Everybody" seems to be
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Oct 29th 2004, 5:33 am
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"poldy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Any quesadillas in Europe yet?
I saw an "Old El Paso" quesadilla kit in our supermarket in Brittany, France
yesterday.
> I know they have some weak attempts at Tex mex in Paris.
We had pretty good Tex mex in Vannes (also in Brittany) a couple of years
ago (1). The restaurant is still there but I don't know if it is still good
(2).
(1) My wife is from Texas and is, therefore, qualified to judge.
(2) I'm not trying to suggest that it *isn't*, just that we haven't tried it
lately and, therefore, don't know.
T.
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> Any quesadillas in Europe yet?
I saw an "Old El Paso" quesadilla kit in our supermarket in Brittany, France
yesterday.
> I know they have some weak attempts at Tex mex in Paris.
We had pretty good Tex mex in Vannes (also in Brittany) a couple of years
ago (1). The restaurant is still there but I don't know if it is still good
(2).
(1) My wife is from Texas and is, therefore, qualified to judge.
(2) I'm not trying to suggest that it *isn't*, just that we haven't tried it
lately and, therefore, don't know.
T.
Oct 29th 2004, 6:16 am
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Re: Pizzas outsell hamburgers 35 to 1 in France
Donna Evleth wrote:
>
>
> Dans l'article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
> (Charles Hawtrey) a écrit :
>
>
>
>>"Donna Evleth" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>some of the pizzas I see would not be recognised in Italy! "deep
>>>>pie" pastry rather than thin and crispy with weird fillings
>>>>incorporating pineapple or suchlike.
>>>Pineapple on pizza! This is the sweet/salt abomination. It is popular in
>>>the US, where sweet/salt combinations, however weird, are much loved.
>>How ironic to find a citizen of a country where gourmet dishes may
>>consist of things like snails and offal complaining about another
>>country's "weird" food.
>>De gustibus non est disputandum.
>
>
> I am also a citizen of the United States, having been born in Los Angeles.
> That gives me the right to complain about pineapple pizza if I feel so
> moved. So much for irony.
>
> Donna Evleth
>
Funny, I never saw pineapple on pizza until I lived in Dublin in
'89-'90, where Ham, corn (!!??) and pineapple was quite popular. When I
was back in the US again I started seeing it but only rarely, and never
saw anyone actually order it! For me, ham on pizza seems weird - as does
emmental cheese, the favorite in France.;-) There's French pizzas I
love, but I just don't fundamentally think of them as pizza - they're
some other wonderful food. We make our own pizza at home. I do have a
hard timne though finding mozzarella cheese with strong flavor. The only
kind I can find is the sort you use for salads - the pale, delicate
flavored kind. I'm not sure if the sort of "pizza mozzarella" I was used
to in the US is in fact some strange variation known nowhere else, or if
that sort just isnt available here. There's not a lot of non-French
cheeses available locally - not surprising, of course. I do miss Italian
cheeses - Fontina, Mozzarella, Provelone, Pecorino Romano... Sigh.
>
>
> Dans l'article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
> (Charles Hawtrey) a écrit :
>
>
>
>>"Donna Evleth" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>some of the pizzas I see would not be recognised in Italy! "deep
>>>>pie" pastry rather than thin and crispy with weird fillings
>>>>incorporating pineapple or suchlike.
>>>Pineapple on pizza! This is the sweet/salt abomination. It is popular in
>>>the US, where sweet/salt combinations, however weird, are much loved.
>>How ironic to find a citizen of a country where gourmet dishes may
>>consist of things like snails and offal complaining about another
>>country's "weird" food.
>>De gustibus non est disputandum.
>
>
> I am also a citizen of the United States, having been born in Los Angeles.
> That gives me the right to complain about pineapple pizza if I feel so
> moved. So much for irony.
>
> Donna Evleth
>
Funny, I never saw pineapple on pizza until I lived in Dublin in
'89-'90, where Ham, corn (!!??) and pineapple was quite popular. When I
was back in the US again I started seeing it but only rarely, and never
saw anyone actually order it! For me, ham on pizza seems weird - as does
emmental cheese, the favorite in France.;-) There's French pizzas I
love, but I just don't fundamentally think of them as pizza - they're
some other wonderful food. We make our own pizza at home. I do have a
hard timne though finding mozzarella cheese with strong flavor. The only
kind I can find is the sort you use for salads - the pale, delicate
flavored kind. I'm not sure if the sort of "pizza mozzarella" I was used
to in the US is in fact some strange variation known nowhere else, or if
that sort just isnt available here. There's not a lot of non-French
cheeses available locally - not surprising, of course. I do miss Italian
cheeses - Fontina, Mozzarella, Provelone, Pecorino Romano... Sigh.
Oct 29th 2004, 7:10 am
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Re: Pizzas outsell hamburgers 35 to 1 in France
in article [email protected], devil at
[email protected] wrote on 29/10/04 0:28:
> On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:57:59 +0100, The Reids wrote:
>
>> Following up to Earl Evleth
>>
>>> The local Indians, having never seen lobster, thought the
>>> white men were crazy in eating these monster sized insects.
>>
>> I can quite imagine their disgust, lobsters do look rather like
>> giant cockroaches!
>
> Don't insult the cockroaches. What's wrong with them anyway?
>
Biologically, one of nature's longest survivors. But they do carry
disease.
With respect to yucky foods in general, the old testament food taboos
does NOT include insects although does include bunny rabbits!
In fact, some people in this world do eat insects. On one trip to
Taiwan, first night, our host took us to an outside beer garden in
Taichung, central Taiwan, where we enjoyed cold beer (it has hot and
muggy) and deep fried crickets. The latter were cooked with lots
of garlic (note that Taiwan is a Vampire free area of Asia). They
tasted good and were crunchy, a bit like French fries.
Earl
[email protected] wrote on 29/10/04 0:28:
> On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:57:59 +0100, The Reids wrote:
>
>> Following up to Earl Evleth
>>
>>> The local Indians, having never seen lobster, thought the
>>> white men were crazy in eating these monster sized insects.
>>
>> I can quite imagine their disgust, lobsters do look rather like
>> giant cockroaches!
>
> Don't insult the cockroaches. What's wrong with them anyway?
>
Biologically, one of nature's longest survivors. But they do carry
disease.
With respect to yucky foods in general, the old testament food taboos
does NOT include insects although does include bunny rabbits!
In fact, some people in this world do eat insects. On one trip to
Taiwan, first night, our host took us to an outside beer garden in
Taichung, central Taiwan, where we enjoyed cold beer (it has hot and
muggy) and deep fried crickets. The latter were cooked with lots
of garlic (note that Taiwan is a Vampire free area of Asia). They
tasted good and were crunchy, a bit like French fries.
Earl
Oct 29th 2004, 7:27 am
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On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 00:32:46 +0200, Magda wrote:
> They are dirty ...
very probably
> ... and disgusting.
your opinion.
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> They are dirty ...
very probably
> ... and disgusting.
your opinion.
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Oct 29th 2004, 8:17 am
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poldy <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Mark Hewitt" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Excellent. Pizza's are much nicer than burgers.
> I think the recent trend in the US has gone against pizzas. I hear
> sales at pizzarias are down, partly because of the success of the frozen
> rising crust products.
> Meanwhile, the Atkins craze has helped chains like McDonald's do well.
Is that STILL going on? I had completely forgotten about it since moving
away in May.
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> "Mark Hewitt" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Excellent. Pizza's are much nicer than burgers.
> I think the recent trend in the US has gone against pizzas. I hear
> sales at pizzarias are down, partly because of the success of the frozen
> rising crust products.
> Meanwhile, the Atkins craze has helped chains like McDonald's do well.
Is that STILL going on? I had completely forgotten about it since moving
away in May.
miguel
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Oct 29th 2004, 8:20 am
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poldy <[email protected]> wrote:
> And pizza with fruits de mer. What is that about? Do people eat a lot
> of bread or doughy foods with seafood?
Clam chowder in a sourdough bowl?
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> And pizza with fruits de mer. What is that about? Do people eat a lot
> of bread or doughy foods with seafood?
Clam chowder in a sourdough bowl?
miguel
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Oct 29th 2004, 8:23 am
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> [email protected] a bot resembling (Miguel Cruz) wrote:
>> See, you forget that I was raised in the American traditions of irony (i.e.,
>> none) and I find sarcasm to be both offensive and incomprehensible.
> Is this post from the DIY Miguel bot running, whilst the real Miguel
> is tweaking Mxsmanic bot, or is this the real thing?
It's getting hard to tell anymore. Each of the bots is programmed to think
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> [email protected] a bot resembling (Miguel Cruz) wrote:
>> See, you forget that I was raised in the American traditions of irony (i.e.,
>> none) and I find sarcasm to be both offensive and incomprehensible.
> Is this post from the DIY Miguel bot running, whilst the real Miguel
> is tweaking Mxsmanic bot, or is this the real thing?
It's getting hard to tell anymore. Each of the bots is programmed to think
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Oct 29th 2004, 8:32 am
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Re: Pizzas outsell hamburgers 35 to 1 in France
On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:27:10 +0200, Tim Challenger
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 00:32:46 +0200, Magda wrote:
>> They are dirty ...
>very probably
>> ... and disgusting.
>your opinion.
Do you prefer your cockroaches grilled or deep fried in batter
Austrian style, Tim?
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 00:32:46 +0200, Magda wrote:
>> They are dirty ...
>very probably
>> ... and disgusting.
>your opinion.
Do you prefer your cockroaches grilled or deep fried in batter
Austrian style, Tim?
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Oct 29th 2004, 8:34 am
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On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 04:19:51 GMT, poldy <[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] wrote:
>> I like crisp thin based pizzas too
>> The topping was much better on most Californian pizzas I had.
>> Dr. Oetkers deep frozen pizzas are better than any that the local
>> Italian restaurants sell.
>Well...
>Most American pizzas have more doughy crusts. But NY style was suppose
>to have thin but not necessarily crispy crusts. After all, if you fold
>a crispy crust, it would crumble.
>Yes there is a Californian style, which is thin crispy crusts fired in
>wood ovens with unusual stuff like pesto instead of tomatoe sauce, feta
>cheese, sun-dried tomatoes, capers, etc.
Yes. I'm hungry already :-)
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>In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] wrote:
>> I like crisp thin based pizzas too
>> The topping was much better on most Californian pizzas I had.
>> Dr. Oetkers deep frozen pizzas are better than any that the local
>> Italian restaurants sell.
>Well...
>Most American pizzas have more doughy crusts. But NY style was suppose
>to have thin but not necessarily crispy crusts. After all, if you fold
>a crispy crust, it would crumble.
>Yes there is a Californian style, which is thin crispy crusts fired in
>wood ovens with unusual stuff like pesto instead of tomatoe sauce, feta
>cheese, sun-dried tomatoes, capers, etc.
Yes. I'm hungry already :-)
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