Only Two Weeks Vacation Per Year In The Us???
Dec 18th 2004, 2:21 am
#1171
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
Barbara Bomberger wrote:
>
> >The Real Bev wrote:
>
> >> Many people in the US actually find their employment enjoyable,
> >> rewarding, and FUN. Isn't it that way in Europe?I
>
> I suspect an equal amount of people in Europe find their work
> enjoyable, rewarding, and fun. How does that preclude enjoying
> vacation time?
I know programmers who regard programming as more fun than almost
anything, including vacation. Not nose-to-the-grindstone workaholics,
it's just FUN. I would guess that artists and musicians feel the same
way, and sportspersons. Undoubtedly lots of others, too, and I bet
Magda has never bothered to thank them for her "European' drone
lifestyle/
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thief found cold, wet and bedraggled one morning, D locked by the
neck to a local bridge." -- Anon
>
> >The Real Bev wrote:
>
> >> Many people in the US actually find their employment enjoyable,
> >> rewarding, and FUN. Isn't it that way in Europe?I
>
> I suspect an equal amount of people in Europe find their work
> enjoyable, rewarding, and fun. How does that preclude enjoying
> vacation time?
I know programmers who regard programming as more fun than almost
anything, including vacation. Not nose-to-the-grindstone workaholics,
it's just FUN. I would guess that artists and musicians feel the same
way, and sportspersons. Undoubtedly lots of others, too, and I bet
Magda has never bothered to thank them for her "European' drone
lifestyle/
--
Cheers,
Bev
================================================== ===============
"There's an apocryphal (I hope not !) story about a Bristol bike
thief found cold, wet and bedraggled one morning, D locked by the
neck to a local bridge." -- Anon
Dec 18th 2004, 4:13 am
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 01:24:01 GMT, "Melissa" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Ya must be a tax dollar-sucking government worker then
>Not necessarily. My husband works for a smallish manufacturing firm of about
>100 employees. He has been there 25 years, and now gets 5 weeks of vacation
>per year, sick benefits, profit sharing, flexible spending plan, and very
>fair work conditions.
Aha, not to worry. About 6 months from retirement, they will
outsource the entire manufacturing operation to Mexico or China to
improve profit margins, and you will lose all of your benefits.
>> Ya must be a tax dollar-sucking government worker then
>Not necessarily. My husband works for a smallish manufacturing firm of about
>100 employees. He has been there 25 years, and now gets 5 weeks of vacation
>per year, sick benefits, profit sharing, flexible spending plan, and very
>fair work conditions.
Aha, not to worry. About 6 months from retirement, they will
outsource the entire manufacturing operation to Mexico or China to
improve profit margins, and you will lose all of your benefits.
Dec 18th 2004, 5:15 am
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
On 17 Dec 2004 15:09:59 -0800, [email protected] wrote:
>Of course they do. And they regularly find that 40% of
>these so-called "sick days" are taken on Mondays and Fridays.
*chortle*
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>Of course they do. And they regularly find that 40% of
>these so-called "sick days" are taken on Mondays and Fridays.
*chortle*
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Dec 18th 2004, 5:17 am
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 18:14:58 GMT, Deep Frayed Morgues
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 01:15:01 -0800, Robert Morien
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>In article <[email protected]>,
>> "Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Some gutless ****wit that cant even manage
>>> its own lines, desperately cowering behind
>>> tm <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>> just what you'd expect from a desperately cowering gutless
>>> ****wit clown that cant even manage its own lines.
>>>
>>>
>>-.-. . .-. --. --. .-.. / --.. .... .--. ..- / .--- ..- -. --. / ...- /
>>--.- / .-. -.- -.-. .-. .--. --. / ... . -... --.. / ..-. -... --.. .-.
>>-... .- .-. / .--- ..- -... / .--. -. .- / --. / -.-. . -... -.-. .-. .
>>-.-- .-.. / ... -.-- -. --.. .-.
>The babelfish interprets that as:
>"CERGGL ZHPU JUNG V Q RKCRPG SEBZ FBZRBAR JUB PNA G CEBCREYL SYNZR"
>Is it Polish?
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Naw, but it would take Caeser all of 13 days to figure it out.
bwahahahahahah
Adenosine, crypto nerd
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<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 01:15:01 -0800, Robert Morien
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>In article <[email protected]>,
>> "Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Some gutless ****wit that cant even manage
>>> its own lines, desperately cowering behind
>>> tm <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>> just what you'd expect from a desperately cowering gutless
>>> ****wit clown that cant even manage its own lines.
>>>
>>>
>>-.-. . .-. --. --. .-.. / --.. .... .--. ..- / .--- ..- -. --. / ...- /
>>--.- / .-. -.- -.-. .-. .--. --. / ... . -... --.. / ..-. -... --.. .-.
>>-... .- .-. / .--- ..- -... / .--. -. .- / --. / -.-. . -... -.-. .-. .
>>-.-- .-.. / ... -.-- -. --.. .-.
>The babelfish interprets that as:
>"CERGGL ZHPU JUNG V Q RKCRPG SEBZ FBZRBAR JUB PNA G CEBCREYL SYNZR"
>Is it Polish?
>--
>---
>DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com
>---
Naw, but it would take Caeser all of 13 days to figure it out.
bwahahahahahah
Adenosine, crypto nerd
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Dec 18th 2004, 6:10 am
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 16:07:33 -0800, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Merry Christmas wrote:
>> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
>>
>>> Miguel Cruz wrote:
>>>> john <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> In the US, I know people who get, for example, 10 days sick leave a
>>>>> year. If you don't use by the end of the calendar year, you lose the
>>>>> sick leave. These people will fake sickness near the end of the year
>>>>> just to use up the sick leave. Real ethical people, I would say.
>>> Correction: We don't "fake" ANYTHING! If we have been fortunate
>>> enough not to need the time for illness during a given year, we quite
>>> openly "play sick" (we make no secret of the fact we're not really
>>> ill) to use those days before we lose them. It's not a matter of
>>> "ethics", since our employers are perfectly aware of the practice, and
>>> accept it.
>>
>>
>> If this was the expected use of "sick pay", why would they bother to
>> call it "sick pay" and not just make it part of your vacation time?
>Because then they'd get complaints about employees being
>forced to use vacation time when they were ill?
>> What is the reasoning behind calling it "sick pay" if they would let you
>> play sick to use it?
>You're expected to use it for things like doctor's
>appointments, kids' school events, etc. during the year (as
>well as illness, of course) before you claim it at year's
>end to avoid losing it.
Good rationizing.
Who said you can claim it at year's end to avoid losing it?
If you hadn't used any of the 10 days of sick leave by the last two
weeks of December I guess you will take off the last two weeks of the
year to "claim" it.
do you also help yourself to company office supplies because you need
them at home?
(It would probably be more accurate
>to call it "personal time off", since that's the primary
>intention, and what both employee and employer expect it to
>be used for.)
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Merry Christmas wrote:
>> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
>>
>>> Miguel Cruz wrote:
>>>> john <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> In the US, I know people who get, for example, 10 days sick leave a
>>>>> year. If you don't use by the end of the calendar year, you lose the
>>>>> sick leave. These people will fake sickness near the end of the year
>>>>> just to use up the sick leave. Real ethical people, I would say.
>>> Correction: We don't "fake" ANYTHING! If we have been fortunate
>>> enough not to need the time for illness during a given year, we quite
>>> openly "play sick" (we make no secret of the fact we're not really
>>> ill) to use those days before we lose them. It's not a matter of
>>> "ethics", since our employers are perfectly aware of the practice, and
>>> accept it.
>>
>>
>> If this was the expected use of "sick pay", why would they bother to
>> call it "sick pay" and not just make it part of your vacation time?
>Because then they'd get complaints about employees being
>forced to use vacation time when they were ill?
>> What is the reasoning behind calling it "sick pay" if they would let you
>> play sick to use it?
>You're expected to use it for things like doctor's
>appointments, kids' school events, etc. during the year (as
>well as illness, of course) before you claim it at year's
>end to avoid losing it.
Good rationizing.
Who said you can claim it at year's end to avoid losing it?
If you hadn't used any of the 10 days of sick leave by the last two
weeks of December I guess you will take off the last two weeks of the
year to "claim" it.
do you also help yourself to company office supplies because you need
them at home?
(It would probably be more accurate
>to call it "personal time off", since that's the primary
>intention, and what both employee and employer expect it to
>be used for.)
Dec 18th 2004, 6:48 am
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 17:03:36 -0700, Arri London <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Deep Frayed Morgues wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:23:24 -0700, Arri London <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >"Frank F. Matthews" wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Arri London wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Yes they also find their work enjoyable rewarding and fun. The statutory
>> >> > vacation time is in addition to that.
>> >> > Most of the universities in which I've worked in the US allowed some
>> >> > percentage of unused sick leave to be added to vacation time, but yes
>> >> > the rest disappeared.
>> >>
>> >> Interesting, at my university, the time is for sickness only. It
>> >> doesn't go away but I have to get sick to use it.
>> >The places I worked at were tired of people using sick leave as extra
>> >vacation time. By allowing 'banking' of a few of those hours, absences
>> >not genuinely due to illness were reduced.
>>
>> How on earth could they possibly know that???? Did they measure the
>> fake illnesses before and after the implementation of the policy?
>Use your loaf mate! The number of sick days taken decreased. Since the
>staff were unlikely to have magically become healthier suddenly, it's
>not a stretch to work out the difference was due to nonillness.
Yes it is! That type of analysis is always prone to "interpretation"
of figures, and I doubt the difference was so dramatic that is was
indisputable. I just can't see how they could actually distiguish
between 'fake illness' and genuine, especially after they have changed
the policy (which would have skewed the data anyway, if it even
existed).
The bullshit detector is flashing...
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>Deep Frayed Morgues wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:23:24 -0700, Arri London <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >"Frank F. Matthews" wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Arri London wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Yes they also find their work enjoyable rewarding and fun. The statutory
>> >> > vacation time is in addition to that.
>> >> > Most of the universities in which I've worked in the US allowed some
>> >> > percentage of unused sick leave to be added to vacation time, but yes
>> >> > the rest disappeared.
>> >>
>> >> Interesting, at my university, the time is for sickness only. It
>> >> doesn't go away but I have to get sick to use it.
>> >The places I worked at were tired of people using sick leave as extra
>> >vacation time. By allowing 'banking' of a few of those hours, absences
>> >not genuinely due to illness were reduced.
>>
>> How on earth could they possibly know that???? Did they measure the
>> fake illnesses before and after the implementation of the policy?
>Use your loaf mate! The number of sick days taken decreased. Since the
>staff were unlikely to have magically become healthier suddenly, it's
>not a stretch to work out the difference was due to nonillness.
Yes it is! That type of analysis is always prone to "interpretation"
of figures, and I doubt the difference was so dramatic that is was
indisputable. I just can't see how they could actually distiguish
between 'fake illness' and genuine, especially after they have changed
the policy (which would have skewed the data anyway, if it even
existed).
The bullshit detector is flashing...
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Dec 18th 2004, 7:23 am
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
"Deep Frayed Morgues" <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote in
message news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 17:03:36 -0700, Arri London <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>>Deep Frayed Morgues wrote:
>>> On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:23:24 -0700, Arri London <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >"Frank F. Matthews" wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Arri London wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Yes they also find their work enjoyable rewarding and fun. The
>>> >> > statutory
>>> >> > vacation time is in addition to that.
>>> >> > Most of the universities in which I've worked in the US allowed some
>>> >> > percentage of unused sick leave to be added to vacation time, but yes
>>> >> > the rest disappeared.
>>> >>
>>> >> Interesting, at my university, the time is for sickness only. It
>>> >> doesn't go away but I have to get sick to use it.
>>> >The places I worked at were tired of people using sick leave as extra
>>> >vacation time. By allowing 'banking' of a few of those hours, absences
>>> >not genuinely due to illness were reduced.
>>> How on earth could they possibly know that???? Did they measure the
>>> fake illnesses before and after the implementation of the policy?
>>Use your loaf mate! The number of sick days taken decreased. Since the
>>staff were unlikely to have magically become healthier suddenly, it's
>>not a stretch to work out the difference was due to nonillness.
> Yes it is! That type of analysis is always prone to "interpretation" of
> figures,
Nope, not if the drop in sick days taken is significant.
> and I doubt the difference was so dramatic that is was indisputable.
Your problem. Bet they were.
> I just can't see how they could actually distiguish
> between 'fake illness' and genuine,
Dont need to if the drop in sick days taken is significant, stupid.
> especially after they have changed the policy (which
> would have skewed the data anyway, if it even existed).
Mindless silly stuff.
> The bullshit detector is flashing...
Just reacting to your pathetic excuse for bullshit.
message news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 17:03:36 -0700, Arri London <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>>Deep Frayed Morgues wrote:
>>> On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:23:24 -0700, Arri London <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >"Frank F. Matthews" wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Arri London wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Yes they also find their work enjoyable rewarding and fun. The
>>> >> > statutory
>>> >> > vacation time is in addition to that.
>>> >> > Most of the universities in which I've worked in the US allowed some
>>> >> > percentage of unused sick leave to be added to vacation time, but yes
>>> >> > the rest disappeared.
>>> >>
>>> >> Interesting, at my university, the time is for sickness only. It
>>> >> doesn't go away but I have to get sick to use it.
>>> >The places I worked at were tired of people using sick leave as extra
>>> >vacation time. By allowing 'banking' of a few of those hours, absences
>>> >not genuinely due to illness were reduced.
>>> How on earth could they possibly know that???? Did they measure the
>>> fake illnesses before and after the implementation of the policy?
>>Use your loaf mate! The number of sick days taken decreased. Since the
>>staff were unlikely to have magically become healthier suddenly, it's
>>not a stretch to work out the difference was due to nonillness.
> Yes it is! That type of analysis is always prone to "interpretation" of
> figures,
Nope, not if the drop in sick days taken is significant.
> and I doubt the difference was so dramatic that is was indisputable.
Your problem. Bet they were.
> I just can't see how they could actually distiguish
> between 'fake illness' and genuine,
Dont need to if the drop in sick days taken is significant, stupid.
> especially after they have changed the policy (which
> would have skewed the data anyway, if it even existed).
Mindless silly stuff.
> The bullshit detector is flashing...
Just reacting to your pathetic excuse for bullshit.
Dec 18th 2004, 8:58 am
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:21:03 -0800, in rec.travel.europe, The Real Bev
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
... I know programmers who regard programming as more fun than almost
... anything, including vacation. Not nose-to-the-grindstone workaholics,
... it's just FUN. I would guess that artists and musicians feel the same
... way, and sportspersons. Undoubtedly lots of others, too, and I bet
... Magda has never bothered to thank them for her "European' drone
... lifestyle/
Jealous ? LOL
I'm not forcing anyone to work until they drop. If they are having fun, good for them !
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
... I know programmers who regard programming as more fun than almost
... anything, including vacation. Not nose-to-the-grindstone workaholics,
... it's just FUN. I would guess that artists and musicians feel the same
... way, and sportspersons. Undoubtedly lots of others, too, and I bet
... Magda has never bothered to thank them for her "European' drone
... lifestyle/
Jealous ? LOL
I'm not forcing anyone to work until they drop. If they are having fun, good for them !
Dec 18th 2004, 12:46 pm
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
"Matti J Kinnunen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Calif Bill" <[email protected]> writes:
> Somehow I tend to remember reading that the current budget deficits
> in USA are just the beginning, that the already promised tax cuts
> and coming ones are not going to balance the budget, but more or
> less the opposite.
> I do not find this discussion very fruitfull. Both countries
> (EU and USA) has their own good and bad sides.
> Personally, I do
> favour the European social security system (in which everyone
> has healt insurance with per capita cost of about 50% of that
> in the US), the Nordic system of free, good-quality public
> education, the low level of crime (in most of EU),
Let's not forget that the Danes pay the most taxes, 54% of all earned wages
go to taxes and that they have a 50% unemployment rate. I would not want to
live where most people do not wish to work or if I work, a bigger percentage
goes to supporting those who care not to work
the longer
> holidays (even if salaries are lower, but I like to have
> time to enjoy my salary, not just earn it), the possibility
> to live without a car without any real problems (good, cheap,
> safe public transport) and some other things.
They are also just now realizing that the level of immigration from third
world nations has just about destroyed the Scandinavian economies. Norway
can probably recover because they stopped it sooner and the North Sea oil
helps, but Sweden and Denmark are on the verge of complete bankruptcy.
Martha
news:[email protected]...
> "Calif Bill" <[email protected]> writes:
> Somehow I tend to remember reading that the current budget deficits
> in USA are just the beginning, that the already promised tax cuts
> and coming ones are not going to balance the budget, but more or
> less the opposite.
> I do not find this discussion very fruitfull. Both countries
> (EU and USA) has their own good and bad sides.
> Personally, I do
> favour the European social security system (in which everyone
> has healt insurance with per capita cost of about 50% of that
> in the US), the Nordic system of free, good-quality public
> education, the low level of crime (in most of EU),
Let's not forget that the Danes pay the most taxes, 54% of all earned wages
go to taxes and that they have a 50% unemployment rate. I would not want to
live where most people do not wish to work or if I work, a bigger percentage
goes to supporting those who care not to work
the longer
> holidays (even if salaries are lower, but I like to have
> time to enjoy my salary, not just earn it), the possibility
> to live without a car without any real problems (good, cheap,
> safe public transport) and some other things.
They are also just now realizing that the level of immigration from third
world nations has just about destroyed the Scandinavian economies. Norway
can probably recover because they stopped it sooner and the North Sea oil
helps, but Sweden and Denmark are on the verge of complete bankruptcy.
Martha
Dec 18th 2004, 12:54 pm
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 13:46:08 GMT, "Black Metal Martha"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Matti J Kinnunen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> "Calif Bill" <[email protected]> writes:
>> Somehow I tend to remember reading that the current budget deficits
>> in USA are just the beginning, that the already promised tax cuts
>> and coming ones are not going to balance the budget, but more or
>> less the opposite.
>> I do not find this discussion very fruitfull. Both countries
>> (EU and USA) has their own good and bad sides.
>> Personally, I do
>> favour the European social security system (in which everyone
>> has healt insurance with per capita cost of about 50% of that
>> in the US), the Nordic system of free, good-quality public
>> education, the low level of crime (in most of EU),
>Let's not forget that the Danes pay the most taxes, 54% of all earned wages
>go to taxes and that they have a 50% unemployment rate.
http://epp.eurostat.cec.eu.int/cache...2004-AP-EN.PDF
5.3% are you prone to exaggeration or over creative?
> I would not want to
>live where most people do not wish to work or if I work, a bigger percentage
>goes to supporting those who care not to work
Danes wouldn't want you to live with them either.
>the longer
>> holidays (even if salaries are lower, but I like to have
>> time to enjoy my salary, not just earn it), the possibility
>> to live without a car without any real problems (good, cheap,
>> safe public transport) and some other things.
>They are also just now realizing that the level of immigration from third
>world nations has just about destroyed the Scandinavian economies. Norway
>can probably recover because they stopped it sooner and the North Sea oil
>helps, but Sweden and Denmark are on the verge of complete bankruptcy.
>Martha
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Matti J Kinnunen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> "Calif Bill" <[email protected]> writes:
>> Somehow I tend to remember reading that the current budget deficits
>> in USA are just the beginning, that the already promised tax cuts
>> and coming ones are not going to balance the budget, but more or
>> less the opposite.
>> I do not find this discussion very fruitfull. Both countries
>> (EU and USA) has their own good and bad sides.
>> Personally, I do
>> favour the European social security system (in which everyone
>> has healt insurance with per capita cost of about 50% of that
>> in the US), the Nordic system of free, good-quality public
>> education, the low level of crime (in most of EU),
>Let's not forget that the Danes pay the most taxes, 54% of all earned wages
>go to taxes and that they have a 50% unemployment rate.
http://epp.eurostat.cec.eu.int/cache...2004-AP-EN.PDF
5.3% are you prone to exaggeration or over creative?
> I would not want to
>live where most people do not wish to work or if I work, a bigger percentage
>goes to supporting those who care not to work
Danes wouldn't want you to live with them either.
>the longer
>> holidays (even if salaries are lower, but I like to have
>> time to enjoy my salary, not just earn it), the possibility
>> to live without a car without any real problems (good, cheap,
>> safe public transport) and some other things.
>They are also just now realizing that the level of immigration from third
>world nations has just about destroyed the Scandinavian economies. Norway
>can probably recover because they stopped it sooner and the North Sea oil
>helps, but Sweden and Denmark are on the verge of complete bankruptcy.
>Martha
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Martin
Dec 18th 2004, 1:52 pm
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
Cisco troll/netkook/asshole/pedophile Michael Voight "Merry Christmas
<[email protected]>" trolled:
>EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
> > I remember clearly when one employer stopped that
>> practice and instead announced that we would receive a set number of
>> days "sick leave" (which could be used as we chose).
>Was it still officially called "sick leave"?
What the **** do you care, kook? You haven't worked a day in your
life. You spend your entire day at the office trolling usenet on your
employer's computers.
>I thought it was a normal practice
What the **** do you know about normal practice??? You have never had
normal thought in your life, kook.
And why do you keep ****ing with the newsgroups line? So others won't
see your reply to them and you can have the last word???
Asshole. Troll. Netkook. Idiot. Pedophile.
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He is pedophile Gary Burnore's partner in crime. Gary Burnore is a
convicted sex offender/child molester and the biggest kook in the
history of the net.
Voight likes to spend his time in the teenage personals newsgroups
trying to pick up underage girls.
The idiot works for Cisco in their Scotts Valley, California
Technical Assistance Center (TAC) and apparently they don't
keep him busy enough so he has to troll usenet newsgroups all day long
from work.
***WARNING: THIS IDIOT HAS BEEN CAUGHT FORGING PEOPLE'S IDENTITIES ON
USENET AND CANCELLING THEIR POSTS.***
If you are one of his victims, or are simply fed up with his
trolling/newsgroup flooding, forward his posts to [email protected] .
He works in technical support, so forward them to [email protected] too.
See further below for more Cisco contact information.
He often posts through sbcglobal and prodigy, so forward them to
[email protected] and [email protected] as well.
His main hangouts (besides the teenage personals newsgroups) are
rec.travel.air and alt.visa.us.marriage-based, a sleazy newsgroup
where foreigners wanting to immigrate to the US hook up with losers
like Voight who are willing to marry them for money so they can get
their green card. Voight is a pro at this, handing out daily advice
on how to be a sleazoid like him and sell green cards.
When he isn't giving out advice on how to commit federal crimes on
alt.visa.us.marriage-based he is usually on rec.travel.air flooding
that newsgroup with trolls and harassing posters and picking retarded
fights with the regular posters there.
He also tends to post a lot in the personals and penpals newsgroups as
well as the support groups for fat people, lonely folks, and for
depression. Obviously after his Russian Internet brides get their
green cards they flee, leaving him lonely and desperate for company.
Maybe that's why he keeps a P.O. Box at the post office, so he can get
his personals mail there:
Voight, Michael
P.O. Box 67016,
Scotts Valley, CA 95067
(408) 461-8707
The idiot is a two-time high school dropout and had to join the
Marines because even the Army rejected him!
He's got a daughter in Orange County that one of his ex-wives had the
intelligence to take away from him. Lord only knows what could have
happened to her if she had continued to live with the kook. The other
kids he has belong to his previous Russian sleazy brides, and since
they come and go so do the kids. It wouldn't hurt to let Cisco know
what kind of deviant sexual pervert they have working for them.
Many people have wondered how Cisco ever hired such a psycho. It
cheapens their image and credibility in the corporate world after all.
Well, they didn't hire him directly, he came as baggage when they
acquired the company he used to work for, TGV Software. His e-mail
address there used to be <[email protected]>.
All intelligent members of the usenet community have killfiled him, so
he takes great pains to get past their killfiles by rubbing his only
two cerebral neurons together and coming up with gems like:
mrtrav <[email protected]>
mrtrav3 <[email protected]>
mrraveltay <[email protected]>
mrtravelkay <[email protected]>, and
mtravelkay <[email protected]> and <""a.a\"@a,a,a>.
Some of his other trolling aliases are:
Network Guy <[email protected]>
starrystarrynight <[email protected]>
sleepydoc <[email protected]>
jlhunt <[email protected]>
Lost 5 of 8 <[email protected]>
mrt <[email protected]>
news.sf.sbcglobal.net <[email protected]>
not-nomen <[email protected]>
UCLAisthebest <[email protected]>
David Tanner <[email protected]>
Jeff Davies <[email protected]>
BobTheBuilder <[email protected]>
Bill Clarkj <[email protected]>
nonomen ([email protected])
Really Me <[email protected]>.
Lately he's had some gender confusion and has been posting as women,
such as:
JerseyGirl <[email protected]>
Kathy Stoltz <[email protected]>
nothilaryduff <[email protected]>
Perhaps he's thinking of getting a sex change (or worse, raping some
teenage girls).
His latest aliases are anon <[email protected]>and anonymous
<[email protected]>.
It would be a good idea to call Cisco at 1-800-553-2447 and ask to
speak with a supervisor and explain that you are EXTREMELY unhappy
that this idiot spends his whole day at work playing on the internet
on company time. THEY WILL NOT LIKE THAT.
Then write to corporate headquarters explaining what this idiot is
doing and telling them HOW BAD IT IS FOR THEIR COMPANY IMAGE. They
will LOVE that you brought this to their attention:
Cisco Systems, Inc.
170 West Tasman Dr.
San Jose, CA 95134
USA
Then also call them. You should always follow up email or letters
with phone calls. Always ask for supervisors or managers. Try to get
as far up as possible.
(408)526-4000
(800)553-NETS or
(800)553-6387
Contact Investor Relations and tell them you are interested in
investing in their company but won't do so until they get rid of this
asshole who is wasting company resources:
Cisco Systems, Inc.
Investor Relations Department
170 West Tasman Drive
San Jose, CA 95134-1706
Phone: (408) 526-8890
Fax: (408) 526-4545
Email: [email protected]
Might as well contact customer service too, they LOVE to hear about
this type of stuff:
USA 1 800 553 6387
[email protected]
[email protected]
Then finally, send letters with copies of his nasty posts addressed
personally to each one of the OFFICERS of the company using the
headquarters address. Believe me, they READ your complaints and are
VERY INTERESTED in them, especially if it's about one of their
employees. They will take a PERSONAL interest in rooting this ASSHOLE
out of their company:
John Morgridge, Chairman
Phone: (408) 526-8229
Fax: (408) 526-4100
[email protected]
John Chambers, President, CEO
Phone: (408) 526-8222
Fax: (408) 526-4100
[email protected]
Larry Carter, CFO, Sr. VP-Fin. and Admin., Sec., Director
Phone: (408) 526-8211
Fax: (408) 526-4100
Email: [email protected]
Richard Justice, Sr. VP, Worldwide Field Operations
Phone: (408) 527-7371
Fax: (408) 526-4100
Email: [email protected]
Brad Boston,Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer
Phone: (408) 526-7008
Fax: (408) 526-8220
Email: [email protected]
Susan Lori Bostrom
Senior Vice President, Internet Business Solutions Group
Phone: (408) 527-5648
Fax: (408) 526-4100
Email: [email protected]
Howard S. Charney
Senior Vice President, Office of the President
Phone: (408) 526-8300
Fax: (408) 526-4100
Email: [email protected]
Kate DCamp
Senior Vice President, Human Resources
Phone: (408) 527-9530
Fax: (408) 526-4100
Email: [email protected]
Gail Morales
Manager, Human Resources, Employment
Phone: (408) 527-6654
Fax: (408) 526-4100
Email: [email protected]
Peggy Lynch
Employee Benefits
Phone: (408) 526-8859
Fax: (408) 527-6080
Email: [email protected]
Mario Mazzola
Senior Vice President and Chief Development Officer
Phone: (408) 526-5535
Fax: (408) 526-4100
Email: [email protected]
Betsy Rafael
Vice President and Corporate Controller
Phone: (408) 525-0164
Fax: (408) 526-4100
Email: [email protected]
Claudia Ceniceros
Manager, Public Relations
Phone: (408) 525-4700
Fax: (408) 526-4100
Email: [email protected]
Write, call, and fax:
Cisco Systems, Inc.
170 West Tasman Drive
San Jose, California 95134-1706, USA
Phone: (408) 526-4000
Fax: (408) 526-4100
(800)553-NETS = (800)553-6387
Have fun!
<[email protected]>" trolled:
>EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
> > I remember clearly when one employer stopped that
>> practice and instead announced that we would receive a set number of
>> days "sick leave" (which could be used as we chose).
>Was it still officially called "sick leave"?
What the **** do you care, kook? You haven't worked a day in your
life. You spend your entire day at the office trolling usenet on your
employer's computers.
>I thought it was a normal practice
What the **** do you know about normal practice??? You have never had
normal thought in your life, kook.
And why do you keep ****ing with the newsgroups line? So others won't
see your reply to them and you can have the last word???
Asshole. Troll. Netkook. Idiot. Pedophile.
About rogue Cisco employee and netkook/troll/usenet flooder
Michael Voight, alias "Merry Christmas", "I Love YOU", "MyNewServer
Comcast", "anon", "anonymous", "nothilaryduff", "Really Me",
"mrtravel", "mrtravelkay", etc. etc. etc.
Currently posting as Merry Christmas <[email protected]>.
Recently posting as MyNewServer Comcast <[email protected]>, I Love YOU
<[email protected]>, anon <[email protected]>, anonymous
<[email protected]>, nothilaryduff <[email protected]>,
Kathy Stoltz <[email protected]>, Really Me
<[email protected]>. See below for a larger list of all his trolling
aliases.
His work e-mail address is <[email protected]>.
Michael D. Voight
111 Bean Creek Rd, No. 118
Scotts Valley, CA 95066-4148
(831) 438-2485
[email protected] .
He is pedophile Gary Burnore's partner in crime. Gary Burnore is a
convicted sex offender/child molester and the biggest kook in the
history of the net.
Voight likes to spend his time in the teenage personals newsgroups
trying to pick up underage girls.
The idiot works for Cisco in their Scotts Valley, California
Technical Assistance Center (TAC) and apparently they don't
keep him busy enough so he has to troll usenet newsgroups all day long
from work.
***WARNING: THIS IDIOT HAS BEEN CAUGHT FORGING PEOPLE'S IDENTITIES ON
USENET AND CANCELLING THEIR POSTS.***
If you are one of his victims, or are simply fed up with his
trolling/newsgroup flooding, forward his posts to [email protected] .
He works in technical support, so forward them to [email protected] too.
See further below for more Cisco contact information.
He often posts through sbcglobal and prodigy, so forward them to
[email protected] and [email protected] as well.
His main hangouts (besides the teenage personals newsgroups) are
rec.travel.air and alt.visa.us.marriage-based, a sleazy newsgroup
where foreigners wanting to immigrate to the US hook up with losers
like Voight who are willing to marry them for money so they can get
their green card. Voight is a pro at this, handing out daily advice
on how to be a sleazoid like him and sell green cards.
When he isn't giving out advice on how to commit federal crimes on
alt.visa.us.marriage-based he is usually on rec.travel.air flooding
that newsgroup with trolls and harassing posters and picking retarded
fights with the regular posters there.
He also tends to post a lot in the personals and penpals newsgroups as
well as the support groups for fat people, lonely folks, and for
depression. Obviously after his Russian Internet brides get their
green cards they flee, leaving him lonely and desperate for company.
Maybe that's why he keeps a P.O. Box at the post office, so he can get
his personals mail there:
Voight, Michael
P.O. Box 67016,
Scotts Valley, CA 95067
(408) 461-8707
The idiot is a two-time high school dropout and had to join the
Marines because even the Army rejected him!
He's got a daughter in Orange County that one of his ex-wives had the
intelligence to take away from him. Lord only knows what could have
happened to her if she had continued to live with the kook. The other
kids he has belong to his previous Russian sleazy brides, and since
they come and go so do the kids. It wouldn't hurt to let Cisco know
what kind of deviant sexual pervert they have working for them.
Many people have wondered how Cisco ever hired such a psycho. It
cheapens their image and credibility in the corporate world after all.
Well, they didn't hire him directly, he came as baggage when they
acquired the company he used to work for, TGV Software. His e-mail
address there used to be <[email protected]>.
All intelligent members of the usenet community have killfiled him, so
he takes great pains to get past their killfiles by rubbing his only
two cerebral neurons together and coming up with gems like:
mrtrav <[email protected]>
mrtrav3 <[email protected]>
mrraveltay <[email protected]>
mrtravelkay <[email protected]>, and
mtravelkay <[email protected]> and <""a.a\"@a,a,a>.
Some of his other trolling aliases are:
Network Guy <[email protected]>
starrystarrynight <[email protected]>
sleepydoc <[email protected]>
jlhunt <[email protected]>
Lost 5 of 8 <[email protected]>
mrt <[email protected]>
news.sf.sbcglobal.net <[email protected]>
not-nomen <[email protected]>
UCLAisthebest <[email protected]>
David Tanner <[email protected]>
Jeff Davies <[email protected]>
BobTheBuilder <[email protected]>
Bill Clarkj <[email protected]>
nonomen ([email protected])
Really Me <[email protected]>.
Lately he's had some gender confusion and has been posting as women,
such as:
JerseyGirl <[email protected]>
Kathy Stoltz <[email protected]>
nothilaryduff <[email protected]>
Perhaps he's thinking of getting a sex change (or worse, raping some
teenage girls).
His latest aliases are anon <[email protected]>and anonymous
<[email protected]>.
It would be a good idea to call Cisco at 1-800-553-2447 and ask to
speak with a supervisor and explain that you are EXTREMELY unhappy
that this idiot spends his whole day at work playing on the internet
on company time. THEY WILL NOT LIKE THAT.
Then write to corporate headquarters explaining what this idiot is
doing and telling them HOW BAD IT IS FOR THEIR COMPANY IMAGE. They
will LOVE that you brought this to their attention:
Cisco Systems, Inc.
170 West Tasman Dr.
San Jose, CA 95134
USA
Then also call them. You should always follow up email or letters
with phone calls. Always ask for supervisors or managers. Try to get
as far up as possible.
(408)526-4000
(800)553-NETS or
(800)553-6387
Contact Investor Relations and tell them you are interested in
investing in their company but won't do so until they get rid of this
asshole who is wasting company resources:
Cisco Systems, Inc.
Investor Relations Department
170 West Tasman Drive
San Jose, CA 95134-1706
Phone: (408) 526-8890
Fax: (408) 526-4545
Email: [email protected]
Might as well contact customer service too, they LOVE to hear about
this type of stuff:
USA 1 800 553 6387
[email protected]
[email protected]
Then finally, send letters with copies of his nasty posts addressed
personally to each one of the OFFICERS of the company using the
headquarters address. Believe me, they READ your complaints and are
VERY INTERESTED in them, especially if it's about one of their
employees. They will take a PERSONAL interest in rooting this ASSHOLE
out of their company:
John Morgridge, Chairman
Phone: (408) 526-8229
Fax: (408) 526-4100
[email protected]
John Chambers, President, CEO
Phone: (408) 526-8222
Fax: (408) 526-4100
[email protected]
Larry Carter, CFO, Sr. VP-Fin. and Admin., Sec., Director
Phone: (408) 526-8211
Fax: (408) 526-4100
Email: [email protected]
Richard Justice, Sr. VP, Worldwide Field Operations
Phone: (408) 527-7371
Fax: (408) 526-4100
Email: [email protected]
Brad Boston,Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer
Phone: (408) 526-7008
Fax: (408) 526-8220
Email: [email protected]
Susan Lori Bostrom
Senior Vice President, Internet Business Solutions Group
Phone: (408) 527-5648
Fax: (408) 526-4100
Email: [email protected]
Howard S. Charney
Senior Vice President, Office of the President
Phone: (408) 526-8300
Fax: (408) 526-4100
Email: [email protected]
Kate DCamp
Senior Vice President, Human Resources
Phone: (408) 527-9530
Fax: (408) 526-4100
Email: [email protected]
Gail Morales
Manager, Human Resources, Employment
Phone: (408) 527-6654
Fax: (408) 526-4100
Email: [email protected]
Peggy Lynch
Employee Benefits
Phone: (408) 526-8859
Fax: (408) 527-6080
Email: [email protected]
Mario Mazzola
Senior Vice President and Chief Development Officer
Phone: (408) 526-5535
Fax: (408) 526-4100
Email: [email protected]
Betsy Rafael
Vice President and Corporate Controller
Phone: (408) 525-0164
Fax: (408) 526-4100
Email: [email protected]
Claudia Ceniceros
Manager, Public Relations
Phone: (408) 525-4700
Fax: (408) 526-4100
Email: [email protected]
Write, call, and fax:
Cisco Systems, Inc.
170 West Tasman Drive
San Jose, California 95134-1706, USA
Phone: (408) 526-4000
Fax: (408) 526-4100
(800)553-NETS = (800)553-6387
Have fun!
Dec 18th 2004, 1:52 pm
#1182
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
Cisco troll/netkook/pedophile/asshole Michael Voight trolling as
"Merry Christmas <[email protected]>" kooked:
>EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
>>
>>
>> Miguel Cruz wrote:
>>
>>> john <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> In the US, I know people who get, for example, 10 days sick leave a
>>>> year. If you don't use by the end of the calendar year, you lose the
>>>> sick leave. These people will fake sickness near the end of the year
>>>> just to use up the sick leave. Real ethical people, I would say.
>>
>>
>> Correction: We don't "fake" ANYTHING! If we have been fortunate enough
>> not to need the time for illness during a given year, we quite openly
>> "play sick" (we make no secret of the fact we're not really ill) to use
>> those days before we lose them. It's not a matter of "ethics", since
>> our employers are perfectly aware of the practice, and accept it.
>If this was the expected use of "sick pay", why would they bother to
>call it "sick pay" and not just make it part of your vacation time?
>What is the reasoning behind calling it "sick pay" if they would let you
>play sick to use it?
What the **** do you care, kook? You haven't worked a day in your
life. You spend your entire day at the office trolling usenet on your
employer's computers.
And why do you keep ****ing with the newsgroups line? So others won't
see your reply to them and you can have the last word???
Asshole. Troll. Netkook. Idiot. Pedophile.
About rogue Cisco employee and netkook/troll/usenet flooder
Michael Voight, alias "Merry Christmas", "I Love YOU", "MyNewServer
Comcast", "anon", "anonymous", "nothilaryduff", "Really Me",
"mrtravel", "mrtravelkay", etc. etc. etc.
Currently posting as Merry Christmas <[email protected]>.
Recently posting as MyNewServer Comcast <[email protected]>, I Love YOU
<[email protected]>, anon <[email protected]>, anonymous
<[email protected]>, nothilaryduff <[email protected]>,
Kathy Stoltz <[email protected]>, Really Me
<[email protected]>. See below for a larger list of all his trolling
aliases.
His work e-mail address is <[email protected]>.
Michael D. Voight
111 Bean Creek Rd, No. 118
Scotts Valley, CA 95066-4148
(831) 438-2485
[email protected] .
He is pedophile Gary Burnore's partner in crime. Gary Burnore is a
convicted sex offender/child molester and the biggest kook in the
history of the net.
Voight likes to spend his time in the teenage personals newsgroups
trying to pick up underage girls.
The idiot works for Cisco in their Scotts Valley, California
Technical Assistance Center (TAC) and apparently they don't
keep him busy enough so he has to troll usenet newsgroups all day long
from work.
***WARNING: THIS IDIOT HAS BEEN CAUGHT FORGING PEOPLE'S IDENTITIES ON
USENET AND CANCELLING THEIR POSTS.***
If you are one of his victims, or are simply fed up with his
trolling/newsgroup flooding, forward his posts to [email protected] .
He works in technical support, so forward them to [email protected] too.
See further below for more Cisco contact information.
He often posts through sbcglobal and prodigy, so forward them to
[email protected] and [email protected] as well.
His main hangouts (besides the teenage personals newsgroups) are
rec.travel.air and alt.visa.us.marriage-based, a sleazy newsgroup
where foreigners wanting to immigrate to the US hook up with losers
like Voight who are willing to marry them for money so they can get
their green card. Voight is a pro at this, handing out daily advice
on how to be a sleazoid like him and sell green cards.
When he isn't giving out advice on how to commit federal crimes on
alt.visa.us.marriage-based he is usually on rec.travel.air flooding
that newsgroup with trolls and harassing posters and picking retarded
fights with the regular posters there.
He also tends to post a lot in the personals and penpals newsgroups as
well as the support groups for fat people, lonely folks, and for
depression. Obviously after his Russian Internet brides get their
green cards they flee, leaving him lonely and desperate for company.
Maybe that's why he keeps a P.O. Box at the post office, so he can get
his personals mail there:
Voight, Michael
P.O. Box 67016,
Scotts Valley, CA 95067
(408) 461-8707
The idiot is a two-time high school dropout and had to join the
Marines because even the Army rejected him!
He's got a daughter in Orange County that one of his ex-wives had the
intelligence to take away from him. Lord only knows what could have
happened to her if she had continued to live with the kook. The other
kids he has belong to his previous Russian sleazy brides, and since
they come and go so do the kids. It wouldn't hurt to let Cisco know
what kind of deviant sexual pervert they have working for them.
Many people have wondered how Cisco ever hired such a psycho. It
cheapens their image and credibility in the corporate world after all.
Well, they didn't hire him directly, he came as baggage when they
acquired the company he used to work for, TGV Software. His e-mail
address there used to be <[email protected]>.
All intelligent members of the usenet community have killfiled him, so
he takes great pains to get past their killfiles by rubbing his only
two cerebral neurons together and coming up with gems like:
mrtrav <[email protected]>
mrtrav3 <[email protected]>
mrraveltay <[email protected]>
mrtravelkay <[email protected]>, and
mtravelkay <[email protected]> and <""a.a\"@a,a,a>.
Some of his other trolling aliases are:
Network Guy <[email protected]>
starrystarrynight <[email protected]>
sleepydoc <[email protected]>
jlhunt <[email protected]>
Lost 5 of 8 <[email protected]>
mrt <[email protected]>
news.sf.sbcglobal.net <[email protected]>
not-nomen <[email protected]>
UCLAisthebest <[email protected]>
David Tanner <[email protected]>
Jeff Davies <[email protected]>
BobTheBuilder <[email protected]>
Bill Clarkj <[email protected]>
nonomen ([email protected])
Really Me <[email protected]>.
Lately he's had some gender confusion and has been posting as women,
such as:
JerseyGirl <[email protected]>
Kathy Stoltz <[email protected]>
nothilaryduff <[email protected]>
Perhaps he's thinking of getting a sex change (or worse, raping some
teenage girls).
His latest aliases are anon <[email protected]>and anonymous
<[email protected]>.
It would be a good idea to call Cisco at 1-800-553-2447 and ask to
speak with a supervisor and explain that you are EXTREMELY unhappy
that this idiot spends his whole day at work playing on the internet
on company time. THEY WILL NOT LIKE THAT.
Then write to corporate headquarters explaining what this idiot is
doing and telling them HOW BAD IT IS FOR THEIR COMPANY IMAGE. They
will LOVE that you brought this to their attention:
Cisco Systems, Inc.
170 West Tasman Dr.
San Jose, CA 95134
USA
Then also call them. You should always follow up email or letters
with phone calls. Always ask for supervisors or managers. Try to get
as far up as possible.
(408)526-4000
(800)553-NETS or
(800)553-6387
Contact Investor Relations and tell them you are interested in
investing in their company but won't do so until they get rid of this
asshole who is wasting company resources:
Cisco Systems, Inc.
Investor Relations Department
170 West Tasman Drive
San Jose, CA 95134-1706
Phone: (408) 526-8890
Fax: (408) 526-4545
Email: [email protected]
Might as well contact customer service too, they LOVE to hear about
this type of stuff:
USA 1 800 553 6387
[email protected]
[email protected]
Then finally, send letters with copies of his nasty posts addressed
personally to each one of the OFFICERS of the company using the
headquarters address. Believe me, they READ your complaints and are
VERY INTERESTED in them, especially if it's about one of their
employees. They will take a PERSONAL interest in rooting this ASSHOLE
out of their company:
John Morgridge, Chairman
Phone: (408) 526-8229
Fax: (408) 526-4100
[email protected]
John Chambers, President, CEO
Phone: (408) 526-8222
Fax: (408) 526-4100
[email protected]
Larry Carter, CFO, Sr. VP-Fin. and Admin., Sec., Director
Phone: (408) 526-8211
Fax: (408) 526-4100
Email: [email protected]
Richard Justice, Sr. VP, Worldwide Field Operations
Phone: (408) 527-7371
Fax: (408) 526-4100
Email: [email protected]
Brad Boston,Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer
Phone: (408) 526-7008
Fax: (408) 526-8220
Email: [email protected]
Susan Lori Bostrom
Senior Vice President, Internet Business Solutions Group
Phone: (408) 527-5648
Fax: (408) 526-4100
Email: [email protected]
Howard S. Charney
Senior Vice President, Office of the President
Phone: (408) 526-8300
Fax: (408) 526-4100
Email: [email protected]
Kate DCamp
Senior Vice President, Human Resources
Phone: (408) 527-9530
Fax: (408) 526-4100
Email: [email protected]
Gail Morales
Manager, Human Resources, Employment
Phone: (408) 527-6654
Fax: (408) 526-4100
Email: [email protected]
Peggy Lynch
Employee Benefits
Phone: (408) 526-8859
Fax: (408) 527-6080
Email: [email protected]
Mario Mazzola
Senior Vice President and Chief Development Officer
Phone: (408) 526-5535
Fax: (408) 526-4100
Email: [email protected]
Betsy Rafael
Vice President and Corporate Controller
Phone: (408) 525-0164
Fax: (408) 526-4100
Email: [email protected]
Claudia Ceniceros
Manager, Public Relations
Phone: (408) 525-4700
Fax: (408) 526-4100
Email: [email protected]
Write, call, and fax:
Cisco Systems, Inc.
170 West Tasman Drive
San Jose, California 95134-1706, USA
Phone: (408) 526-4000
Fax: (408) 526-4100
(800)553-NETS = (800)553-6387
Have fun!
"Merry Christmas <[email protected]>" kooked:
>EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
>>
>>
>> Miguel Cruz wrote:
>>
>>> john <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> In the US, I know people who get, for example, 10 days sick leave a
>>>> year. If you don't use by the end of the calendar year, you lose the
>>>> sick leave. These people will fake sickness near the end of the year
>>>> just to use up the sick leave. Real ethical people, I would say.
>>
>>
>> Correction: We don't "fake" ANYTHING! If we have been fortunate enough
>> not to need the time for illness during a given year, we quite openly
>> "play sick" (we make no secret of the fact we're not really ill) to use
>> those days before we lose them. It's not a matter of "ethics", since
>> our employers are perfectly aware of the practice, and accept it.
>If this was the expected use of "sick pay", why would they bother to
>call it "sick pay" and not just make it part of your vacation time?
>What is the reasoning behind calling it "sick pay" if they would let you
>play sick to use it?
What the **** do you care, kook? You haven't worked a day in your
life. You spend your entire day at the office trolling usenet on your
employer's computers.
And why do you keep ****ing with the newsgroups line? So others won't
see your reply to them and you can have the last word???
Asshole. Troll. Netkook. Idiot. Pedophile.
About rogue Cisco employee and netkook/troll/usenet flooder
Michael Voight, alias "Merry Christmas", "I Love YOU", "MyNewServer
Comcast", "anon", "anonymous", "nothilaryduff", "Really Me",
"mrtravel", "mrtravelkay", etc. etc. etc.
Currently posting as Merry Christmas <[email protected]>.
Recently posting as MyNewServer Comcast <[email protected]>, I Love YOU
<[email protected]>, anon <[email protected]>, anonymous
<[email protected]>, nothilaryduff <[email protected]>,
Kathy Stoltz <[email protected]>, Really Me
<[email protected]>. See below for a larger list of all his trolling
aliases.
His work e-mail address is <[email protected]>.
Michael D. Voight
111 Bean Creek Rd, No. 118
Scotts Valley, CA 95066-4148
(831) 438-2485
[email protected] .
He is pedophile Gary Burnore's partner in crime. Gary Burnore is a
convicted sex offender/child molester and the biggest kook in the
history of the net.
Voight likes to spend his time in the teenage personals newsgroups
trying to pick up underage girls.
The idiot works for Cisco in their Scotts Valley, California
Technical Assistance Center (TAC) and apparently they don't
keep him busy enough so he has to troll usenet newsgroups all day long
from work.
***WARNING: THIS IDIOT HAS BEEN CAUGHT FORGING PEOPLE'S IDENTITIES ON
USENET AND CANCELLING THEIR POSTS.***
If you are one of his victims, or are simply fed up with his
trolling/newsgroup flooding, forward his posts to [email protected] .
He works in technical support, so forward them to [email protected] too.
See further below for more Cisco contact information.
He often posts through sbcglobal and prodigy, so forward them to
[email protected] and [email protected] as well.
His main hangouts (besides the teenage personals newsgroups) are
rec.travel.air and alt.visa.us.marriage-based, a sleazy newsgroup
where foreigners wanting to immigrate to the US hook up with losers
like Voight who are willing to marry them for money so they can get
their green card. Voight is a pro at this, handing out daily advice
on how to be a sleazoid like him and sell green cards.
When he isn't giving out advice on how to commit federal crimes on
alt.visa.us.marriage-based he is usually on rec.travel.air flooding
that newsgroup with trolls and harassing posters and picking retarded
fights with the regular posters there.
He also tends to post a lot in the personals and penpals newsgroups as
well as the support groups for fat people, lonely folks, and for
depression. Obviously after his Russian Internet brides get their
green cards they flee, leaving him lonely and desperate for company.
Maybe that's why he keeps a P.O. Box at the post office, so he can get
his personals mail there:
Voight, Michael
P.O. Box 67016,
Scotts Valley, CA 95067
(408) 461-8707
The idiot is a two-time high school dropout and had to join the
Marines because even the Army rejected him!
He's got a daughter in Orange County that one of his ex-wives had the
intelligence to take away from him. Lord only knows what could have
happened to her if she had continued to live with the kook. The other
kids he has belong to his previous Russian sleazy brides, and since
they come and go so do the kids. It wouldn't hurt to let Cisco know
what kind of deviant sexual pervert they have working for them.
Many people have wondered how Cisco ever hired such a psycho. It
cheapens their image and credibility in the corporate world after all.
Well, they didn't hire him directly, he came as baggage when they
acquired the company he used to work for, TGV Software. His e-mail
address there used to be <[email protected]>.
All intelligent members of the usenet community have killfiled him, so
he takes great pains to get past their killfiles by rubbing his only
two cerebral neurons together and coming up with gems like:
mrtrav <[email protected]>
mrtrav3 <[email protected]>
mrraveltay <[email protected]>
mrtravelkay <[email protected]>, and
mtravelkay <[email protected]> and <""a.a\"@a,a,a>.
Some of his other trolling aliases are:
Network Guy <[email protected]>
starrystarrynight <[email protected]>
sleepydoc <[email protected]>
jlhunt <[email protected]>
Lost 5 of 8 <[email protected]>
mrt <[email protected]>
news.sf.sbcglobal.net <[email protected]>
not-nomen <[email protected]>
UCLAisthebest <[email protected]>
David Tanner <[email protected]>
Jeff Davies <[email protected]>
BobTheBuilder <[email protected]>
Bill Clarkj <[email protected]>
nonomen ([email protected])
Really Me <[email protected]>.
Lately he's had some gender confusion and has been posting as women,
such as:
JerseyGirl <[email protected]>
Kathy Stoltz <[email protected]>
nothilaryduff <[email protected]>
Perhaps he's thinking of getting a sex change (or worse, raping some
teenage girls).
His latest aliases are anon <[email protected]>and anonymous
<[email protected]>.
It would be a good idea to call Cisco at 1-800-553-2447 and ask to
speak with a supervisor and explain that you are EXTREMELY unhappy
that this idiot spends his whole day at work playing on the internet
on company time. THEY WILL NOT LIKE THAT.
Then write to corporate headquarters explaining what this idiot is
doing and telling them HOW BAD IT IS FOR THEIR COMPANY IMAGE. They
will LOVE that you brought this to their attention:
Cisco Systems, Inc.
170 West Tasman Dr.
San Jose, CA 95134
USA
Then also call them. You should always follow up email or letters
with phone calls. Always ask for supervisors or managers. Try to get
as far up as possible.
(408)526-4000
(800)553-NETS or
(800)553-6387
Contact Investor Relations and tell them you are interested in
investing in their company but won't do so until they get rid of this
asshole who is wasting company resources:
Cisco Systems, Inc.
Investor Relations Department
170 West Tasman Drive
San Jose, CA 95134-1706
Phone: (408) 526-8890
Fax: (408) 526-4545
Email: [email protected]
Might as well contact customer service too, they LOVE to hear about
this type of stuff:
USA 1 800 553 6387
[email protected]
[email protected]
Then finally, send letters with copies of his nasty posts addressed
personally to each one of the OFFICERS of the company using the
headquarters address. Believe me, they READ your complaints and are
VERY INTERESTED in them, especially if it's about one of their
employees. They will take a PERSONAL interest in rooting this ASSHOLE
out of their company:
John Morgridge, Chairman
Phone: (408) 526-8229
Fax: (408) 526-4100
[email protected]
John Chambers, President, CEO
Phone: (408) 526-8222
Fax: (408) 526-4100
[email protected]
Larry Carter, CFO, Sr. VP-Fin. and Admin., Sec., Director
Phone: (408) 526-8211
Fax: (408) 526-4100
Email: [email protected]
Richard Justice, Sr. VP, Worldwide Field Operations
Phone: (408) 527-7371
Fax: (408) 526-4100
Email: [email protected]
Brad Boston,Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer
Phone: (408) 526-7008
Fax: (408) 526-8220
Email: [email protected]
Susan Lori Bostrom
Senior Vice President, Internet Business Solutions Group
Phone: (408) 527-5648
Fax: (408) 526-4100
Email: [email protected]
Howard S. Charney
Senior Vice President, Office of the President
Phone: (408) 526-8300
Fax: (408) 526-4100
Email: [email protected]
Kate DCamp
Senior Vice President, Human Resources
Phone: (408) 527-9530
Fax: (408) 526-4100
Email: [email protected]
Gail Morales
Manager, Human Resources, Employment
Phone: (408) 527-6654
Fax: (408) 526-4100
Email: [email protected]
Peggy Lynch
Employee Benefits
Phone: (408) 526-8859
Fax: (408) 527-6080
Email: [email protected]
Mario Mazzola
Senior Vice President and Chief Development Officer
Phone: (408) 526-5535
Fax: (408) 526-4100
Email: [email protected]
Betsy Rafael
Vice President and Corporate Controller
Phone: (408) 525-0164
Fax: (408) 526-4100
Email: [email protected]
Claudia Ceniceros
Manager, Public Relations
Phone: (408) 525-4700
Fax: (408) 526-4100
Email: [email protected]
Write, call, and fax:
Cisco Systems, Inc.
170 West Tasman Drive
San Jose, California 95134-1706, USA
Phone: (408) 526-4000
Fax: (408) 526-4100
(800)553-NETS = (800)553-6387
Have fun!
Dec 18th 2004, 4:17 pm
#1183
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
nitram <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 13:46:08 GMT, "Black Metal Martha"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>"Matti J Kinnunen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> "Calif Bill" <[email protected]> writes:
>>> Somehow I tend to remember reading that the current budget deficits
>>> in USA are just the beginning, that the already promised tax cuts
>>> and coming ones are not going to balance the budget, but more or
>>> less the opposite.
>>> I do not find this discussion very fruitfull. Both countries
>>> (EU and USA) has their own good and bad sides.
>>> Personally, I do
>>> favour the European social security system (in which everyone
>>> has healt insurance with per capita cost of about 50% of that
>>> in the US), the Nordic system of free, good-quality public
>>> education, the low level of crime (in most of EU),
>>Let's not forget that the Danes pay the most taxes, 54% of all earned wages
>>go to taxes and that they have a 50% unemployment rate.
>http://epp.eurostat.cec.eu.int/cache...2004-AP-EN.PDF
>5.3% are you prone to exaggeration or over creative?
>> I would not want to
>>live where most people do not wish to work or if I work, a bigger percentage
>>goes to supporting those who care not to work
>Danes wouldn't want you to live with them either.
--------
Martin, I couldn´t agree more.
>>the longer
>>> holidays (even if salaries are lower, but I like to have
>>> time to enjoy my salary, not just earn it), the possibility
>>> to live without a car without any real problems (good, cheap,
>>> safe public transport) and some other things.
>>They are also just now realizing that the level of immigration from third
>>world nations has just about destroyed the Scandinavian economies. Norway
>>can probably recover because they stopped it sooner and the North Sea oil
>>helps, but Sweden and Denmark are on the verge of complete bankruptcy.
>>Martha
----------------
As for the economy, I don´t think it has ever been better.
Kristian
>On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 13:46:08 GMT, "Black Metal Martha"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>"Matti J Kinnunen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> "Calif Bill" <[email protected]> writes:
>>> Somehow I tend to remember reading that the current budget deficits
>>> in USA are just the beginning, that the already promised tax cuts
>>> and coming ones are not going to balance the budget, but more or
>>> less the opposite.
>>> I do not find this discussion very fruitfull. Both countries
>>> (EU and USA) has their own good and bad sides.
>>> Personally, I do
>>> favour the European social security system (in which everyone
>>> has healt insurance with per capita cost of about 50% of that
>>> in the US), the Nordic system of free, good-quality public
>>> education, the low level of crime (in most of EU),
>>Let's not forget that the Danes pay the most taxes, 54% of all earned wages
>>go to taxes and that they have a 50% unemployment rate.
>http://epp.eurostat.cec.eu.int/cache...2004-AP-EN.PDF
>5.3% are you prone to exaggeration or over creative?
>> I would not want to
>>live where most people do not wish to work or if I work, a bigger percentage
>>goes to supporting those who care not to work
>Danes wouldn't want you to live with them either.
--------
Martin, I couldn´t agree more.
>>the longer
>>> holidays (even if salaries are lower, but I like to have
>>> time to enjoy my salary, not just earn it), the possibility
>>> to live without a car without any real problems (good, cheap,
>>> safe public transport) and some other things.
>>They are also just now realizing that the level of immigration from third
>>world nations has just about destroyed the Scandinavian economies. Norway
>>can probably recover because they stopped it sooner and the North Sea oil
>>helps, but Sweden and Denmark are on the verge of complete bankruptcy.
>>Martha
----------------
As for the economy, I don´t think it has ever been better.
Kristian
Dec 18th 2004, 4:26 pm
#1184
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 18:17:48 +0100, Kristian <[email protected]>
wrote:
>nitram <[email protected]> wrote:
>>On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 13:46:08 GMT, "Black Metal Martha"
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>"Matti J Kinnunen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>> "Calif Bill" <[email protected]> writes:
>>>> Somehow I tend to remember reading that the current budget deficits
>>>> in USA are just the beginning, that the already promised tax cuts
>>>> and coming ones are not going to balance the budget, but more or
>>>> less the opposite.
>>>> I do not find this discussion very fruitfull. Both countries
>>>> (EU and USA) has their own good and bad sides.
>>>> Personally, I do
>>>> favour the European social security system (in which everyone
>>>> has healt insurance with per capita cost of about 50% of that
>>>> in the US), the Nordic system of free, good-quality public
>>>> education, the low level of crime (in most of EU),
>>>Let's not forget that the Danes pay the most taxes, 54% of all earned wages
>>>go to taxes and that they have a 50% unemployment rate.
>>http://epp.eurostat.cec.eu.int/cache...2004-AP-EN.PDF
>>5.3% are you prone to exaggeration or over creative?
>>> I would not want to
>>>live where most people do not wish to work or if I work, a bigger percentage
>>>goes to supporting those who care not to work
>>Danes wouldn't want you to live with them either.
>--------
> Martin, I couldn´t agree more.
and the rest of Europe :-)
>>>the longer
>>>> holidays (even if salaries are lower, but I like to have
>>>> time to enjoy my salary, not just earn it), the possibility
>>>> to live without a car without any real problems (good, cheap,
>>>> safe public transport) and some other things.
>>>They are also just now realizing that the level of immigration from third
>>>world nations has just about destroyed the Scandinavian economies. Norway
>>>can probably recover because they stopped it sooner and the North Sea oil
>>>helps, but Sweden and Denmark are on the verge of complete bankruptcy.
>>>Martha
>----------------
> As for the economy, I don´t think it has ever been better.
It makes you wonder what planet these people live on and what their
motives are for posting false statistics.
--
Martin
wrote:
>nitram <[email protected]> wrote:
>>On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 13:46:08 GMT, "Black Metal Martha"
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>"Matti J Kinnunen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>> "Calif Bill" <[email protected]> writes:
>>>> Somehow I tend to remember reading that the current budget deficits
>>>> in USA are just the beginning, that the already promised tax cuts
>>>> and coming ones are not going to balance the budget, but more or
>>>> less the opposite.
>>>> I do not find this discussion very fruitfull. Both countries
>>>> (EU and USA) has their own good and bad sides.
>>>> Personally, I do
>>>> favour the European social security system (in which everyone
>>>> has healt insurance with per capita cost of about 50% of that
>>>> in the US), the Nordic system of free, good-quality public
>>>> education, the low level of crime (in most of EU),
>>>Let's not forget that the Danes pay the most taxes, 54% of all earned wages
>>>go to taxes and that they have a 50% unemployment rate.
>>http://epp.eurostat.cec.eu.int/cache...2004-AP-EN.PDF
>>5.3% are you prone to exaggeration or over creative?
>>> I would not want to
>>>live where most people do not wish to work or if I work, a bigger percentage
>>>goes to supporting those who care not to work
>>Danes wouldn't want you to live with them either.
>--------
> Martin, I couldn´t agree more.
and the rest of Europe :-)
>>>the longer
>>>> holidays (even if salaries are lower, but I like to have
>>>> time to enjoy my salary, not just earn it), the possibility
>>>> to live without a car without any real problems (good, cheap,
>>>> safe public transport) and some other things.
>>>They are also just now realizing that the level of immigration from third
>>>world nations has just about destroyed the Scandinavian economies. Norway
>>>can probably recover because they stopped it sooner and the North Sea oil
>>>helps, but Sweden and Denmark are on the verge of complete bankruptcy.
>>>Martha
>----------------
> As for the economy, I don´t think it has ever been better.
It makes you wonder what planet these people live on and what their
motives are for posting false statistics.
--
Martin
Dec 18th 2004, 4:32 pm
#1185
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 23:51:54 GMT, "MH" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>"Magda" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
>> On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 20:17:10 -0800, in rec.travel.europe, The Real Bev
>> <[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this
>:
>> ... There is no law requiring that employees be given vacation. Most
>> ... companies do because it's expected, but few places are truly
>generous.
>> ... Some companies that offer vacations insist that it be taken or lost
>> ... rather than accumulated into huge chunks. If management deems your
>> ... presence too important to be allowed to take vacation before it's
>lost,
>> ... it would seem only proper to allow that amount to roll over to the
>next
>> ... period, but I don't think that's a requirement either. In California
>it
>> ... used to be required that employees were vested in their earned
>vacation,
>> ... but perhaps it's different now if it must be used or lost.
>> ...
>> ... When I was canned after 12 years I was paid for my accumulated unused
>> ... vacation, but the 700+ hours of unused sick leave evaporated.
>> ...
>> ... Many people in the US actually find their employment enjoyable,
>> ... rewarding, and FUN. Isn't it that way in Europe?
>> Quality of life is much more important here. Happiness is seldom found in
>the workplace -
>> unless one is workaholic and thus needs psychiatric help. As a whole we
>work to live, we
>> don't live to work.
>That's sad that you go to work every day hating your job.
And again, the fact that one wants other things (like vacation) in
addition to their work, doesnt mean they hate t heir jobs.
I would suggest that they are simply well rounded people.
barb
>No wonder the US is the number one world power, you don't have it in you.
Not possible to have a sensible discussion without hollering "and god
bless america"///
Barb
>Martha
wrote:
>"Magda" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
>> On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 20:17:10 -0800, in rec.travel.europe, The Real Bev
>> <[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this
>:
>> ... There is no law requiring that employees be given vacation. Most
>> ... companies do because it's expected, but few places are truly
>generous.
>> ... Some companies that offer vacations insist that it be taken or lost
>> ... rather than accumulated into huge chunks. If management deems your
>> ... presence too important to be allowed to take vacation before it's
>lost,
>> ... it would seem only proper to allow that amount to roll over to the
>next
>> ... period, but I don't think that's a requirement either. In California
>it
>> ... used to be required that employees were vested in their earned
>vacation,
>> ... but perhaps it's different now if it must be used or lost.
>> ...
>> ... When I was canned after 12 years I was paid for my accumulated unused
>> ... vacation, but the 700+ hours of unused sick leave evaporated.
>> ...
>> ... Many people in the US actually find their employment enjoyable,
>> ... rewarding, and FUN. Isn't it that way in Europe?
>> Quality of life is much more important here. Happiness is seldom found in
>the workplace -
>> unless one is workaholic and thus needs psychiatric help. As a whole we
>work to live, we
>> don't live to work.
>That's sad that you go to work every day hating your job.
And again, the fact that one wants other things (like vacation) in
addition to their work, doesnt mean they hate t heir jobs.
I would suggest that they are simply well rounded people.
barb
>No wonder the US is the number one world power, you don't have it in you.
Not possible to have a sensible discussion without hollering "and god
bless america"///
Barb
>Martha