The Reids

Following up to js

    >> 1995 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002
    >> 14,823 20,052 11,378 9,351 13,869 16,109 11,306 8,207
    >Hmm... strange. Those numbers seem to be all over the map. No real
    >consistent trends in either direction from year to year. I wonder whether
    >the numbers were limited by those choosing to emigrate or the government
    >"throttling" those wishing to emigrate.

te numbers are pretty small, so variations are not that
surprising.
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The Reids

Following up to Barbara Bomberger

    >>> All over the world really. I have met Americans in some very out of
    >>> the way places that are in no hurry to return home whatsoever.
    >>Just as true of most european countrys too.
    >Oh absolutely. I just think that the original poster was implying it
    >was a one way street. All those europeans rushing to get away from
    >home to real civilization and never go back and all that........

IMHO this whole argument is a load of b******, really :-)
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The Reids

Following up to Maren Purves

    >> ... So are you proud to admit to being lazy in front of thousands of
    >> ... people? Interesting...
    >>
    >> Life is too short to work so much. You have to enjoy it once in a while.
    >umm, I enjoy my work. At least most of the time.

I enjoyed my work, I also enjoyed my vacations.
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Following up to Deep Frayed Morgues

    >>> The older the population, the more significant the number of
    >>> deaths from cancer, which is primarily a disease of old age.
    >>Just as true of heart disease too.
    >Ooooh, Rod Speed vs Mixi!!! I am going for Mixi, coz I think he can
    >grind Rod down with his despair-inducing debating style!

Speed cant keep his cool for more than 5 posts.
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The Reids

Following up to js

    >> Your employer actually specified the color of the socks you must wear?
    >That sounds pretty drastic and unreasonable... unless the employer was this
    >baseball team that just won the World Series. ;-)

don't start the world series isn't a world series controversy!
    :-)
Doh! I just did.
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Deep Frayed Morgues

On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 10:01:14 +1000, "Rod Speed" <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >"Deep Frayed Morgues" <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote in
    >message news:[email protected]...
    >> On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 05:41:46 +1000, "Rod Speed" <[email protected]>
    >> wrote:
    >>>Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>news:[email protected] ...
    >>>> Rod Speed writes
    >>>>> Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote
    >>>>>> Rod Speed writes
    >>>>>>> Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote
    >>>>>>>> Rod Speed writes
    >>>>>>>>> Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote
    >>>>>>>>>> Ted Ng <ted_ng@[nospam].com> writes
    >>>>>>>>>>> Indeed. That's why so many Europeans move here.
    >>>>>>>>>>> 255,976 *legal* immigrants from Europe alone in 2002.
    >>>>>>>>>>> In just 4 years, over a million Europeans moved to
    >>>>>>>>>>> the United States to seek permanent legal residency.
    >>>>>>>>>> From which countries?
    >>>>>>>>> The site he cited lists that at any detail level you want.
    >>>>>>>> That doesn't answer my question.
    >>>>>>> Then you'll have to use that site to get your answer.
    >>>>>> I don't have to do anything.
    >>>>> You do if you want that question answered.
    >>>> If the question is not answered,
    >>>Pity it was. With that site providing that particular answer you wanted.
    >> So might Google.com, but that is hardly proving your point.
    >I made not point at all, except that the question he asked is readily answered.

Readily??? That link does most certainly not 'readily' answer your
claim! You provided it because it was ambiguous in the extreme.
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Ajc

On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 20:39:37 -0700, Old_Timer wrote:

    >It is interesting to note how well the Vietnamese immigrants have done
    >since their arrival on these shores. They came, many with just the
    >clothes on their backs and with little or no knowledge of the English
    >language. The proceeded to display a remarkable work ethic and even
    >more notable their children excelled in our schools. The particular
    >schools that where they excelled were often in the downtrodden area of
    >the city where excellence is the rare exception.
    >Now while the second generation are achieving higher (hard) degrees in
    >colleges their parents have become quite successful in their numerous
    >mom and pop business ventures.
    >I realize that there is a small criminal element in the Vietnamese
    >communities but by and large these immigrants have been a credit to
    >our country.
    >I have NEVER seen a Vietnamese person standing on the corner with a
    >"Please Help" or "Will Work" sign.
    >Old_Timer


Yes, and that is all just as true of Vietnamese that immigrated to
Europe, as many many did. The difference is that the Vietnamese that
immigrated to Europe enjoy more free time on average than those that
immigrated to the US!
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Magda

On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:42:46 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, The Reids
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :

... Following up to "Ted Ng" <ted_ng@[nospam].com>
...
... >Are you as petty and hateful in real life as you are on Usenet?
...
... do you routinely describe europeans as "bigots" in real life?

No wonder they have to pretend to be Canadians when abroad.

Lennart Petersen

"Mxsmanic" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
news:[email protected]...
    > Lennart Petersen writes:
    >> Mostly high skilled persons are allowed to emigrate from West Europe into
    >> U.S
    >> Guess there's little chance for an average bluecollar worker to get work
    >> permit for U.S
    > Neither group is generally allowed to immigrate into the U.S.
    > There are no restrictions on emigration in Western Europe that I'm aware
    > of (nor are there any restrictions on emigration from the U.S., and some
    > Americans do emigrate each year).
Nitpicking ? An emigrant is likely to be an immigrant as well, unless
there's a Titanic or something.

The Reids

Following up to [email protected]

    >>I cant comment on French TV, but in UK its popular to say that.
    >Have you wondered why?

because people switch the TV on and gawp?


    >>However it isn't true, there is probably a programme worth
    >>watching each weekday night and possibly one at the weekend.
    >Only if you are watching repeats, there is little new material that is
    >not aimed at the dumb.

The programmes I mentoined (below) were not repeats.

    >>At the moment i'm watching Michael Palin in the Himalaya and
    >>HIGNFY for light entertainment. The Office was excellent, as was
    >>The League of Gentlemen. The best cookery and travel series can
    >>be very informative.
    >and the average utterly moronic.

not a problem, I dont watch them!

    >I seem to user my off button more than you. I haven't recorded
    >anything on my VCR for several years.

You have missed some good things then!

    >Things became clear, when I read that 1000 of the BBC staff are in the
    >Human Resources dept.

Most programme making seems to be outsourced nowadays, Horizin
vertainly is.
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John

On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 04:30:01 GMT, "Dennis G. Rears"
<[email protected]> wrote:


    >>snipped
    >> Probably most federal workers , just before they retire, try to use
    >> all of their accrued sick leave whether they are sick or not. Maybe
    >> they just ask for the money figuring they had it coming to them.
    >This shows your ignorance of the federal government benefits system.
    >Employees who are pre-1984 (CSRS) can have their SL credited for retirement,
    >Post 1984 (FERS) lose it all at retirement. State and local employees of NJ
    >get a buy back of SL.
    >> The government is deciding the benefits for government workers in a
    >> vacuum.
    >This is not true. See further.
    >> The government should be surveying the benefits of the three largest
    >> private companies and then decide what benefits should be provided.
    >> The benefits should be some percent of the benefits of the outside
    >> companies and not way above.
    >The federal government (i.e. congressional committees) are constantly
    >comparing federal employment to public sector employment and tweaking the
    >system.
    >> I don't believe there is a private firm in this country that has such
    >> generosity with respect to sick leave.
    >There are lots of companies that allow people who are truly sick (i.e. heart
    >attacks, strokes, accidents, etc) to be on the payroll while they recover.
    >The federal government does not. If you don't have SL or Annual Leave (AL)
    >you apply for disability or you don't get paid.
    >BTW, I noticed that you excluded the military in your reply. Did you know
    >they don't get SL per se, but unlimited time off for actual
    >illnesses.injuries.
    >dennis

Frank F. Matthews

Ellie C wrote:
    > Lennart Petersen wrote:
    >
    >> "Al" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
    >> news:[email protected] om...
    >>> [email protected] (Miguel Cruz) wrote in message
    >>> news:<[email protected]>...
    >>>> Al <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>>> The Reids <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>>>> Following up to Rod Speed
    >>>>>>>> it's actually very common for people with less than 2-5 years at
    >>>>>>>> a company to
    >>>>>>>> only get 1 week's vacation, and that isn't necessarily paid
    >>>>>>>> vacation.

    >>>>>>> Small subset of 'people in the US'

    >>>>>> Is it a small subset? Ive been given the impression US workforce
    >>>>>> is very mobile and change jobs and location much more than
    >>>>>> Europeans?

    >>>>> I think this is true, but people don't change jobs for worse
    >>>>> benefits/pay.

    >>>> Not until the Bush administration anyway.

    >>> Let's look at this:
    >>> http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/surveymost
    >>> AVERAGE HOURLY EARNINGS OF PRODUCTION WORKERS
    >>> The average hourly wage was $14.27 when he took office. Now it's $15.78.

    >> $14.27 was equal to about SEK140 at that time, $15.78 is equal to
    >> SEK110 only today, inflation not counted. Euro and $ was on par just
    >> a few y ago, now the rate is about 1.27
    >> Good news for those travelling and paid outside U.S but can't be fun
    >> for people with $ salaries?
    > Really awful for people retired on US $. ;-(

Then again when the Euro started it was just under $1.20 so the euro has
been up about 10% and down about 25% over it's short life span. If you
know what's going to happen next then make your fortune as a currency
speculator.

Frank F. Matthews

Charles Hawtrey wrote:

    > jetgraphics <jetgraphics@no_spamcharter.net> wrote:

    >>The whole world is almost completely socialist, in one form or another.
    >>That's depressing... You can't vote with your feet anymore.

    > Yeah, I tried pulling that goddamn little lever with my toes... talk
    > about a frustrating experience.

I know. I kept hitting the wrong part of the touch screen myself. But
then I remembered that the republican software company had decided what
the vote would be recorded as so it didn't matter and I relaxed.

Frank F. Matthews

The Reids wrote:

    > Following up to Frank F. Matthews

    >>>So what? They go because they are poor, as you now acknowledge,
    >>>not because western europe is "worse" than US or that they feel
    >>>their own eastern european culture is lacking. If they become
    >>>rich, good luck to them. (I am not a bigot BTW).
    >>While that may be the reason for many folks who go it is certainly not
    >>the sole reason. Some move because of job opportunities. Certainly
    >>over the past few decades the US has obtained many academics from
    >>disparate european places as the UK and Russia. Academic jobs in the US
    >>have been far better for a while except at the very top.

    > Sure, those that go from UK have personal reasons, not because
    > they are the starving, huddled masses.

That's true. The UK doesn't have enough population who are starving
huddled masses to compete with the volume of Indios who are moving north.

Frank F. Matthews

Old_Timer wrote:

    > On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 22:16:16 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
    > <[email protected]> wrote:

    >>Barbara Bomberger wrote:

    >>>On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 05:48:00 +1000, "Rod Speed" <[email protected]>
    >>>wrote:

    >>>>"Deep Frayed Morgues" <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote in
    >>>>message news:[email protected]...

    >>>>>On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 21:45:52 +0200, AJC <[email protected]> wrote:

    >>>>>>On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 21:19:39 +0200, Barbara Bomberger
    >>>>>><[email protected]> wrote:

    >>>>>>>On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 08:42:19 -0700, Richard Cline <[email protected]>
    >>>>>>>wrote:

    >>>>>>>>In article <[email protected]>,
    >>>>>>>>"Informer" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >>>>>>>>It is interesting that many of the best and brightest people immigrate
    >>>>>>>>to the US for their career betterment.

    >>>>>>>>Dick

    >>>>>>>And piles and piles of Americans come to Europe for their career
    >>>>>>>betterment. Just come to the expat community in my church.
    >>>>>>>Barb

    >>>>>>Indeed it is astonishing the number of Americans one finds living all
    >>>>>>over Europe, and loving it judging by those I encounter.

    >>>>>All over the world really. I have met Americans in some very out of
    >>>>>the way places that are in no hurry to return home whatsoever.

    >>>>Just as true of most european countrys too.

    >>>Oh absolutely. I just think that the original poster was implying it
    >>>was a one way street. All those europeans rushing to get away from
    >>>home to real civilization and never go back and all that........

    >>If I remember how this all got started it was a statement that only
    >>those from shit holes were immigrating to the US.

    > It is interesting to note how well the Vietnamese immigrants have done
    > since their arrival on these shores. They came, many with just the
    > clothes on their backs and with little or no knowledge of the English
    > language. The proceeded to display a remarkable work ethic and even
    > more notable their children excelled in our schools. The particular
    > schools that where they excelled were often in the downtrodden area of
    > the city where excellence is the rare exception.

    > Now while the second generation are achieving higher (hard) degrees in
    > colleges their parents have become quite successful in their numerous
    > mom and pop business ventures.

    > I realize that there is a small criminal element in the Vietnamese
    > communities but by and large these immigrants have been a credit to
    > our country.

    > I have NEVER seen a Vietnamese person standing on the corner with a
    > "Please Help" or "Will Work" sign.
    > Old_Timer

Credit is pretty fair. However the Vietnamese immigrants do fall into
several groups with quite different experiences. Pretty much hard
working but with different results based on their backgrounds.

While arriving with little material goods many of the urban immigrants
were well educated and experienced. They are probably the ones you are
thinking of. A second group were primarily fishermen and they
immigrated, eventually, to the Gulf COast and have done well practicing
their skills. Another were the folks from the hill tribes. While hard
workers they were often uneducated rural folks and they have had a hard
struggle. As with most groups of immigrants the background and
experiences have been different. However they usually emigrated because
they saw opportunity and have worked hard to obtain a good life.