Only Two Weeks Vacation Per Year In The Us???
Oct 30th 2004, 7:52 am
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Re: US Imigrants???
Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
> Old_Timer writes:
>> I have NEVER seen a Vietnamese person standing on the corner with a
>> "Please Help" or "Will Work" sign.
> I've never seen any Oriental immigrant begging for money anywhere,
> although I suppose such a thing must exist, somewhere.
> Asians are quite smart, overall, and so they are rarely reduced to
> begging no matter where they choose to live.
One significant reason you rarely see east Asian immigrant beggars is
because there are strong social networks that help them locate jobs (often
exploitive and underpaid) at companies operated by earlier immigrants.
miguel
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> Old_Timer writes:
>> I have NEVER seen a Vietnamese person standing on the corner with a
>> "Please Help" or "Will Work" sign.
> I've never seen any Oriental immigrant begging for money anywhere,
> although I suppose such a thing must exist, somewhere.
> Asians are quite smart, overall, and so they are rarely reduced to
> begging no matter where they choose to live.
One significant reason you rarely see east Asian immigrant beggars is
because there are strong social networks that help them locate jobs (often
exploitive and underpaid) at companies operated by earlier immigrants.
miguel
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Oct 30th 2004, 7:54 am
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
john <[email protected]> wrote:
> Barbara Bomberger <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Most government job support the public directly or indirectly. For
>> every in your face customer service job, there are about ten support
>> positions behind it.
> Yeah, that's the trouble.
What's your proposal? Keep the people you see, but make them work 88 hours a
day doing all the behind-the-scenes work as well?
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> Barbara Bomberger <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Most government job support the public directly or indirectly. For
>> every in your face customer service job, there are about ten support
>> positions behind it.
> Yeah, that's the trouble.
What's your proposal? Keep the people you see, but make them work 88 hours a
day doing all the behind-the-scenes work as well?
miguel
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Oct 30th 2004, 7:58 am
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
john <[email protected]> wrote:
> [email protected] (Miguel Cruz) wrote:
>> In my experience, while there are many good contractors and contractor
>> staff, quite often they tend to be less committed to the job and the
>> agency. Often they'd disappear on short notice, replaced with
>> "equivalent" personnel by the contracting outfit. Of course, even if the
>> new person were nominally trained in the work they were to be doing, they
>> still didn't know anything about our specific processes and
>> ideosyncrasies, so this was a big time-waster. And from what I could tell
>> the cost per head often exceeded equivalent FTEs when all was said and
>> done. About the only benefit was that they were easy to get rid of if
>> they sucked.
> Miguel sounds like one of those well-entrenched permanent federal
> employees.
So well-entrenched I quit back in the 1990s.
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> [email protected] (Miguel Cruz) wrote:
>> In my experience, while there are many good contractors and contractor
>> staff, quite often they tend to be less committed to the job and the
>> agency. Often they'd disappear on short notice, replaced with
>> "equivalent" personnel by the contracting outfit. Of course, even if the
>> new person were nominally trained in the work they were to be doing, they
>> still didn't know anything about our specific processes and
>> ideosyncrasies, so this was a big time-waster. And from what I could tell
>> the cost per head often exceeded equivalent FTEs when all was said and
>> done. About the only benefit was that they were easy to get rid of if
>> they sucked.
> Miguel sounds like one of those well-entrenched permanent federal
> employees.
So well-entrenched I quit back in the 1990s.
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Oct 30th 2004, 7:59 am
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 21:04:44 GMT, "Lennart Petersen"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Al" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
>> The average hourly wage was $14.27 when he took office. Now it's $15.78.
>$14.27 was equal to about SEK140 at that time, $15.78 is equal to SEK110
>only today, inflation not counted. Euro and $ was on par just a few y ago,
>now the rate is about 1.27
>Good news for those travelling and paid outside U.S but can't be fun for
>people with $ salaries?
What Id give to have a job that paid euros instead of dollars........
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Al" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
>> The average hourly wage was $14.27 when he took office. Now it's $15.78.
>$14.27 was equal to about SEK140 at that time, $15.78 is equal to SEK110
>only today, inflation not counted. Euro and $ was on par just a few y ago,
>now the rate is about 1.27
>Good news for those travelling and paid outside U.S but can't be fun for
>people with $ salaries?
What Id give to have a job that paid euros instead of dollars........
Oct 30th 2004, 8:02 am
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 15:28:34 -0700, The Real Bev
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Barbara Bomberger wrote:
>>
>> >"john" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>>> I think the two weeks thing is the standard, with a couple of
>> >>>> exceptions, the major one obviously being the federal government I
>> >>>> earn a certain amount of hours per pay period, and that increases
>> >>>> incrementally with time in service. I have only worked for the
>> >>>> government three years, and I get one hundred and sixty hours of leave
>> >>>> a year, or basically three weeks.
>> >>>
>> >>>Taking 40 hours as the standard work week, 160 hours is 4 weeks, not 3.
>> >>
>> >> Leave it to public employees to get 4 weeks vacation after only
>> >> working 3 years.
>>
>> However, the difference is that for the same position, you probably
>> would make at least a third more than I do.
>>
>> Contrary to popular belief, the advantage of government work is often
>> not "longevity" because in this day and age, job loss can happen to
>> anyone.
>>
>> But having an good guareanteed health insurance, paid vacations and
>> holidays and a good insurance and 401K program make s up for the
>> pittance I make. Here I am making minimim government scale, and i
>> think its a fair trade off.
>If you, a government worker, are making only a pittance you're perhaps
>the only one and a terrible mistake has been made which you need to
>rectify. Around here government workers get top EVERYTHING including
>pay.
Well, Im just a lowly GS5, but my husband who is a career guy, could
probably make twice what he is now if he got out of government service
Barb
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Barbara Bomberger wrote:
>>
>> >"john" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>>> I think the two weeks thing is the standard, with a couple of
>> >>>> exceptions, the major one obviously being the federal government I
>> >>>> earn a certain amount of hours per pay period, and that increases
>> >>>> incrementally with time in service. I have only worked for the
>> >>>> government three years, and I get one hundred and sixty hours of leave
>> >>>> a year, or basically three weeks.
>> >>>
>> >>>Taking 40 hours as the standard work week, 160 hours is 4 weeks, not 3.
>> >>
>> >> Leave it to public employees to get 4 weeks vacation after only
>> >> working 3 years.
>>
>> However, the difference is that for the same position, you probably
>> would make at least a third more than I do.
>>
>> Contrary to popular belief, the advantage of government work is often
>> not "longevity" because in this day and age, job loss can happen to
>> anyone.
>>
>> But having an good guareanteed health insurance, paid vacations and
>> holidays and a good insurance and 401K program make s up for the
>> pittance I make. Here I am making minimim government scale, and i
>> think its a fair trade off.
>If you, a government worker, are making only a pittance you're perhaps
>the only one and a terrible mistake has been made which you need to
>rectify. Around here government workers get top EVERYTHING including
>pay.
Well, Im just a lowly GS5, but my husband who is a career guy, could
probably make twice what he is now if he got out of government service
Barb
Oct 30th 2004, 8:09 am
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 23:25:05 GMT, "Service Tech" <[email protected]> wrote:
>"Barbara Bomberger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
>> On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 15:43:03 GMT, john
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 03:09:38 -0500, [email protected] (Miguel Cruz)
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >>john <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>> Leave it to public employees to get 4 weeks vacation after only
>> >>> working 3 years.
>> >>>
>> >>> there are thousands of people employed by public agencies.
>> >>> This includes federal, state, county and city jobs.
>> >>> they are all feeding at the public trough.
>> >>> They add NOTHING to the GNP of the country.
>> >>> They are leeches on the backs of the tax payers working for private
>> >>> industry.
>> >>
>> >>There's more to life than adding to the GNP.
>> >
>> >Yeah, so what?
>> >What are you saying?
>> >
>> >There are too many people working for government agencies.
>> Then perhaps you wont mind the next time you have to stand inline for
>> six hours instead of two to renew your driver's license??
>No lines at all in Texas. We renew over the DPS web site. So part of that
>agency can go.
Oh hone, who do you think is on the other end of that
computer..........
>"Barbara Bomberger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
>> On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 15:43:03 GMT, john
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 03:09:38 -0500, [email protected] (Miguel Cruz)
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >>john <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>> Leave it to public employees to get 4 weeks vacation after only
>> >>> working 3 years.
>> >>>
>> >>> there are thousands of people employed by public agencies.
>> >>> This includes federal, state, county and city jobs.
>> >>> they are all feeding at the public trough.
>> >>> They add NOTHING to the GNP of the country.
>> >>> They are leeches on the backs of the tax payers working for private
>> >>> industry.
>> >>
>> >>There's more to life than adding to the GNP.
>> >
>> >Yeah, so what?
>> >What are you saying?
>> >
>> >There are too many people working for government agencies.
>> Then perhaps you wont mind the next time you have to stand inline for
>> six hours instead of two to renew your driver's license??
>No lines at all in Texas. We renew over the DPS web site. So part of that
>agency can go.
Oh hone, who do you think is on the other end of that
computer..........
Oct 30th 2004, 8:13 am
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 20:24:32 -0500, "Ted Ng" <ted_ng@[nospam].com>
wrote:
>(i.e., France--->USA, or USA--->France.) This is to be expected,
>since there is not an enormously compelling reason to move from
>one wealthy democracy to another.
>However, in that small pool of those immigrating from one
>affluent country to another, the trend is pretty obvious. Far
>more people are coming to the US from other affluent countries
>than US citizens leaving for other affluent countries. That's a
>fact. It cannot be denied, even by the most insane America-haters
>on this newsgroup. So the next time one of these hateful morons
>claims that America sucks and their country is greatest, ask them
>to explain why so many of their countrymen are voting otherwise
>with their feet.
Sorry, but it would be a much better comparison if it added folks like
me, who have not changed citizenship, but choose to live outside the
us. NOr does it include all the retired folks living abroud because
its a much better livestyle, even if they do get paid in sinking
dollars.
Anecdotal, but I live in Frankfurt germany and go to an Episcopal
church of a thousand americans (not military types)
Barb
wrote:
>(i.e., France--->USA, or USA--->France.) This is to be expected,
>since there is not an enormously compelling reason to move from
>one wealthy democracy to another.
>However, in that small pool of those immigrating from one
>affluent country to another, the trend is pretty obvious. Far
>more people are coming to the US from other affluent countries
>than US citizens leaving for other affluent countries. That's a
>fact. It cannot be denied, even by the most insane America-haters
>on this newsgroup. So the next time one of these hateful morons
>claims that America sucks and their country is greatest, ask them
>to explain why so many of their countrymen are voting otherwise
>with their feet.
Sorry, but it would be a much better comparison if it added folks like
me, who have not changed citizenship, but choose to live outside the
us. NOr does it include all the retired folks living abroud because
its a much better livestyle, even if they do get paid in sinking
dollars.
Anecdotal, but I live in Frankfurt germany and go to an Episcopal
church of a thousand americans (not military types)
Barb
Oct 30th 2004, 8:17 am
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On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 01:44:46 GMT, "js" <[email protected]> wrote:
>It's the brainwash factor. :-)
>I'm half joking here... but also half serious. I've lived on both
>continents for years, and I can tell you that Americans are way more "rah
>rah" patriotic than most Europeans. Personally, I'm put off by that. Not
>that I hate the U.S., before you say it. Just that I consider myself a
>citizen of the Earth first. Patriotism is somewhat dangerous in that it
>causes people to defend actions and ideologies blindly (rooting for the home
>team), without maybe not considering the rightness or wrongness of what
>they're rooting for. I can also honestly say that I when I'm on one
>continent, I miss things about the other. So I agree with your assertion
>that there's not an enormously compelling reason to move from one to the
>other. Then again, Bush *is* still the president... so yeah, that probably
>qualifies. Then again, I'd probably still have to endure the odd glimpse of
>his ugly mug on the television over there as well. Sigh. Can't win I
>guess.
I generally tell people that after living abroud my take is this.
Americans see themselves and then they see the rest of the world. In
most place where I have lived, the other countries see them as part of
the world rather than separate from it.
A little thing, but a huge difference in attitude and life. And the
current American foreign policy reflects this.
Barb
>It's the brainwash factor. :-)
>I'm half joking here... but also half serious. I've lived on both
>continents for years, and I can tell you that Americans are way more "rah
>rah" patriotic than most Europeans. Personally, I'm put off by that. Not
>that I hate the U.S., before you say it. Just that I consider myself a
>citizen of the Earth first. Patriotism is somewhat dangerous in that it
>causes people to defend actions and ideologies blindly (rooting for the home
>team), without maybe not considering the rightness or wrongness of what
>they're rooting for. I can also honestly say that I when I'm on one
>continent, I miss things about the other. So I agree with your assertion
>that there's not an enormously compelling reason to move from one to the
>other. Then again, Bush *is* still the president... so yeah, that probably
>qualifies. Then again, I'd probably still have to endure the odd glimpse of
>his ugly mug on the television over there as well. Sigh. Can't win I
>guess.
I generally tell people that after living abroud my take is this.
Americans see themselves and then they see the rest of the world. In
most place where I have lived, the other countries see them as part of
the world rather than separate from it.
A little thing, but a huge difference in attitude and life. And the
current American foreign policy reflects this.
Barb
Oct 30th 2004, 10:31 am
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Following up to "Ted Ng" <ted_ng@[nospam].com>
>> Most people who emigrate to the US are poor or political refugees.
>As is the case in any country that receives immigrants.
So? Nobody is saying otherwise. You claim to feel no affiliation
to my notional statement that 90% of Americans think US better
than other first world countries without much knowledge of other
first world countries, everything you post tends to indicate the
opposite.
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>> Most people who emigrate to the US are poor or political refugees.
>As is the case in any country that receives immigrants.
So? Nobody is saying otherwise. You claim to feel no affiliation
to my notional statement that 90% of Americans think US better
than other first world countries without much knowledge of other
first world countries, everything you post tends to indicate the
opposite.
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Oct 30th 2004, 10:36 am
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Following up to Mxsmanic
>You don't need an immigration lawyer. You can win in a green-card
>lottery without any lawyer, and you can also marry an American to obtain
>the right to stay (illegal if you marry solely for that purpose, but
>hard to prove).
a friend of mine who married a Texan certainly didint find it
easy to get a US work permit.
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>You don't need an immigration lawyer. You can win in a green-card
>lottery without any lawyer, and you can also marry an American to obtain
>the right to stay (illegal if you marry solely for that purpose, but
>hard to prove).
a friend of mine who married a Texan certainly didint find it
easy to get a US work permit.
--
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Oct 30th 2004, 10:37 am
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Following up to Frank F. Matthews
>> So what? They go because they are poor, as you now acknowledge,
>> not because western europe is "worse" than US or that they feel
>> their own eastern european culture is lacking. If they become
>> rich, good luck to them. (I am not a bigot BTW).
>While that may be the reason for many folks who go it is certainly not
>the sole reason. Some move because of job opportunities. Certainly
>over the past few decades the US has obtained many academics from
>disparate european places as the UK and Russia. Academic jobs in the US
>have been far better for a while except at the very top.
Sure, those that go from UK have personal reasons, not because
they are the starving, huddled masses.
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>> So what? They go because they are poor, as you now acknowledge,
>> not because western europe is "worse" than US or that they feel
>> their own eastern european culture is lacking. If they become
>> rich, good luck to them. (I am not a bigot BTW).
>While that may be the reason for many folks who go it is certainly not
>the sole reason. Some move because of job opportunities. Certainly
>over the past few decades the US has obtained many academics from
>disparate european places as the UK and Russia. Academic jobs in the US
>have been far better for a while except at the very top.
Sure, those that go from UK have personal reasons, not because
they are the starving, huddled masses.
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Oct 30th 2004, 10:40 am
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Following up to "Ted Ng" <ted_ng@[nospam].com>
>> Why are you posting here then?
>For the entertainment. Same reason as you, I expect.
it will be more entertaining if you stop calling people bigots
just because they don't think the sun shines out of Uncle Sams
arse. Or perhaps not?
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>> Why are you posting here then?
>For the entertainment. Same reason as you, I expect.
it will be more entertaining if you stop calling people bigots
just because they don't think the sun shines out of Uncle Sams
arse. Or perhaps not?
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Oct 30th 2004, 10:42 am
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Following up to "Ted Ng" <ted_ng@[nospam].com>
>Are you as petty and hateful in real life as you are on Usenet?
do you routinely describe europeans as "bigots" in real life?
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>Are you as petty and hateful in real life as you are on Usenet?
do you routinely describe europeans as "bigots" in real life?
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Oct 30th 2004, 10:45 am
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Following up to "Ted Ng" <ted_ng@[nospam].com>
>> ... ...to discover that they have become successful.
>> LOL
>Yep. Bugs you a lot, doesn't it?
you're proving over and over again that you *do* believe US to be
superior to all else. Unable to prove US vacation is not inferior
to european, you cast around for any prop to prove to yourself
(not us, we don't care much) that US is superior.
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>> ... ...to discover that they have become successful.
>> LOL
>Yep. Bugs you a lot, doesn't it?
you're proving over and over again that you *do* believe US to be
superior to all else. Unable to prove US vacation is not inferior
to european, you cast around for any prop to prove to yourself
(not us, we don't care much) that US is superior.
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Oct 30th 2004, 10:45 am
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Following up to "Ted Ng" <ted_ng@[nospam].com>
>>> or overall standard of living to move to the U.S.
>By the same token, this also applies to the vast majority of immigrants to
>any country, including European countries.
who said otherwise?
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>>> or overall standard of living to move to the U.S.
>By the same token, this also applies to the vast majority of immigrants to
>any country, including European countries.
who said otherwise?
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