Hatunen wrote:

>>I don't think that is true. My impression is that it is very much an
>>American practice (or practise).
>
>
> Well, in French the whole thing is Angleterre, I believe.

Grande Bretagne

On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 06:01:01 -0400, S Viemeister <[email protected]> wrote:

>Martin wrote:
>> On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 18:20:15 -0400, S Viemeister <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Padraig Breathnach wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>The citizens of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern
>>>>Ireland have more reason (based on syllable count) for referring to
>>>>their nation by a shortened form of the name, and they generally do
>>>>so.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Indeed.
>>>My UK passport describes me as a 'British Citizen'.
>>>Not 'United Kingdomish'.
>>
>>
>> Read the cover and the whole page where your citizenship is given.
>> Both contain "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland"
>>
>>
>Well, of course! But it DOES say 'British Citizen'!

Of course!
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On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 06:03:42 -0400, S Viemeister <[email protected]> wrote:

>Hatunen wrote:
>
>>>I don't think that is true. My impression is that it is very much an
>>>American practice (or practise).
>>
>>
>> Well, in French the whole thing is Angleterre, I believe.
>
>Grande Bretagne
>

The Dutch refer to UK as Engeland in revenge for the British referring to The
Netherlands as Holland.
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On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 12:12:47 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, Martin <[email protected]>
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:

...
... The Dutch refer to UK as Engeland in revenge for the British referring to The
... Netherlands as Holland.

Tough luck - the whole world does it.

Martin wrote:

> On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 06:03:42 -0400, S Viemeister <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>Hatunen wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>I don't think that is true. My impression is that it is very much an
>>>>American practice (or practise).
>>>
>>>
>>>Well, in French the whole thing is Angleterre, I believe.
>>
>>Grande Bretagne
>>
>
>
> The Dutch refer to UK as Engeland in revenge for the British referring to The
> Netherlands as Holland.

Many Americans, too. Probably the same ones who call GB 'England'.

On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 06:35:57 -0400, S Viemeister <[email protected]> wrote:

>Martin wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 06:03:42 -0400, S Viemeister <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Hatunen wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>I don't think that is true. My impression is that it is very much an
>>>>>American practice (or practise).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Well, in French the whole thing is Angleterre, I believe.
>>>
>>>Grande Bretagne
>>>
>>
>>
>> The Dutch refer to UK as Engeland in revenge for the British referring to The
>> Netherlands as Holland.
>
>Many Americans, too. Probably the same ones who call GB 'England'.

:-)
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Martin

Following up to S Viemeister <[email protected]> wrote:

>> The Dutch refer to UK as Engeland in revenge for the British referring to The
>> Netherlands as Holland.
>
>Many Americans, too. Probably the same ones who call GB 'England'.

My dictionary says:-
Holland
A former province of the Netherlands now divided into North Holland
and South Holland. When the Kingdom of the Netherlands was established
in 1814, Holland was used interchangeably with the Netherlands as the
name of the country.

Is it wrong?
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On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 18:56:16 -0700, Hatunen wrote:

---------------8><

... in German it's, what? Oh, yes: England.

Vereinigtes Königreich
Großbritannien
England

Make credence recognised that on Tue, 07 Aug 2007 12:12:47 +0200,
Martin <[email protected]> has scripted:

>On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 06:03:42 -0400, S Viemeister <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Hatunen wrote:
>>
>>>>I don't think that is true. My impression is that it is very much an
>>>>American practice (or practise).
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, in French the whole thing is Angleterre, I believe.
>>
>>Grande Bretagne
>>
>
>The Dutch refer to UK as Engeland in revenge for the British referring to The
>Netherlands as Holland.

Italian's do it the same for both. Olanda is The Netherlands and
Inghilterra is Britain!

(technically it's Gran Bretagna, but no one uses it!)
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On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 10:38:09 +0100, The Reid
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Following up to Hatunen <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>>>America and
>>>>England know what it is to be superpowers.
>>>
>>>Britain
>>
>>There is no such nation.
>
>its a reasonable shorthand, england isnt.

I'm talking usage, you're talking reasonable ...

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On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 08:39:18 +0300, Markku Grönroos
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Hatunen" <[email protected]> kirjoitti
>viestissä:ub0gb3tq5r7rli8o4n4a0nsdofbljr57g3@4ax .com...
>> On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 08:07:05 +0300, Markku Grönroos
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Hatunen" <[email protected]> kirjoitti
>>>viestissämjfb3lp2n7r3rr9l6drpd17gvhcb8950i@4 ax.com...
>>>>
>>>> Well, in French the whole thing is Angleterre, I believe. In Finn
>>>> the UK is Englanti, in German it's, what? Oh, yes: England.
>>>>
>>>In Finnish the UK is "Yhdistyneet Kuningaskunnat".
>>
>> But my Finn-English dictionary says Englanti can stand for the
>> UK.
>>
>Your dictionary is wrong. It is true that in common speech the two entities
>are typically equated. In a unidirectional fashion though. When one speaks
>about Englanti he may have Yhdistyneet Kuningaskunnat in mind.

You do realize that's the whole point here, don't you?

>hen one is
>talking about Yhdistyneet Kuningaskunnat, he most unlikely refers solely to
>Englanti.

No doubt.

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Hatunen <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 10:38:09 +0100, The Reid
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Following up to Hatunen <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>>>America and
>>>>>England know what it is to be superpowers.
>>>>
>>>>Britain
>>>
>>>There is no such nation.
>>
>>its a reasonable shorthand, england isnt.
>
>I'm talking usage, you're talking reasonable ...

You're talking American usage.

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Padraig Breathnach <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hatunen <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 10:38:09 +0100, The Reid
> ><[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>Following up to Hatunen <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >>>>>America and
> >>>>>England know what it is to be superpowers.
> >>>>
> >>>>Britain
> >>>
> >>>There is no such nation.
> >>
> >>its a reasonable shorthand, england isnt.
> >
> >I'm talking usage, you're talking reasonable ...
>
> You're talking American usage.

This is getting confusing. "Britain" isn't an americanism. England often
is, meaning Britain. I thought Dave was being anal, not american!

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Following up to [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
(*)) wrote:

>This is getting confusing. "Britain" isn't an americanism.

we call ourselves British, I've never heard UKian!

>England often is, meaning Britain.

England swings like a pendulum due
bobbies on bicycles, two by two....
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The Reid wrote:

> Following up to [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
> (*)) wrote:
>
>
>>This is getting confusing. "Britain" isn't an americanism.
>
>
> we call ourselves British, I've never heard UKian!
>
>
>>England often is, meaning Britain.
>
>
> England swings like a pendulum due
> bobbies on bicycles, two by two....

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