Odd Fact About American Ego, and English/Spanish Language
Jul 30th 2007 | 12:51 pm
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Odd Fact About American Ego, and English/Spanish Language
In Spanish and German, they capitalize the word "you." In English, we
capitalize "I." - from the American Language section of www.odd-info.com
capitalize "I." - from the American Language section of www.odd-info.com
Aug 1st 2007 | 11:11 am
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Re: Odd Fact About American Ego, and English/Spanish Language
On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 17:51:42 -0700, javawizard
<[email protected]> wrote:
>In Spanish and German, they capitalize the word "you." In English, we
>capitalize "I." - from the American Language section of www.odd-info.com
Another odd fact: they make you learn umpteen different forms of
"you" in German and Spanish.
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>In Spanish and German, they capitalize the word "you." In English, we
>capitalize "I." - from the American Language section of www.odd-info.com
Another odd fact: they make you learn umpteen different forms of
"you" in German and Spanish.
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* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
Aug 1st 2007 | 11:23 am
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Re: Odd Fact About American Ego, and English/Spanish Language
On Aug 1, 7:11 pm, Hatunen <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 17:51:42 -0700, javawizard
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >In Spanish and German, they capitalize the word "you." In English, we
> >capitalize "I." - from the American Language section ofwww.odd-info.com
>
> Another odd fact: they make you learn umpteen different forms of
> "you" in German and Spanish.
Spanish as spoken in Spain has four: formal singular, informal
singular, formal plural, and informal plural. In most of Latin
America, there are three, since plural isn't broken down into formal
and informal. It's not too difficult really - the only judgment call
is whether you know someone well enough to use informal versus formal.
Spanish is a much more straightforward language than English - Spanish
words are always pronounced the way they are written, obviously unlike
English, and there are very few irregularities in Spanish - English
has a lot more exceptions to rules.
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 17:51:42 -0700, javawizard
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >In Spanish and German, they capitalize the word "you." In English, we
> >capitalize "I." - from the American Language section ofwww.odd-info.com
>
> Another odd fact: they make you learn umpteen different forms of
> "you" in German and Spanish.
Spanish as spoken in Spain has four: formal singular, informal
singular, formal plural, and informal plural. In most of Latin
America, there are three, since plural isn't broken down into formal
and informal. It's not too difficult really - the only judgment call
is whether you know someone well enough to use informal versus formal.
Spanish is a much more straightforward language than English - Spanish
words are always pronounced the way they are written, obviously unlike
English, and there are very few irregularities in Spanish - English
has a lot more exceptions to rules.
Aug 1st 2007 | 12:13 pm
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Re: Odd Fact About American Ego, and English/Spanish Language
In article <[email protected] om>,
Iceman <[email protected]> wrote:
> Spanish as spoken in Spain has four: formal singular, informal
> singular, formal plural, and informal plural. In most of Latin
> America, there are three, since plural isn't broken down into formal
> and informal. It's not too difficult really - the only judgment call
> is whether you know someone well enough to use informal versus formal.
English also has four, but three have fallen out of normal use. Vocative
singular is "thou", accusative singular is "thee", vocative plural is "ye",
accusative plural is "you". Modern English-speakers use "you" for all four
cases.
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Iceman <[email protected]> wrote:
> Spanish as spoken in Spain has four: formal singular, informal
> singular, formal plural, and informal plural. In most of Latin
> America, there are three, since plural isn't broken down into formal
> and informal. It's not too difficult really - the only judgment call
> is whether you know someone well enough to use informal versus formal.
English also has four, but three have fallen out of normal use. Vocative
singular is "thou", accusative singular is "thee", vocative plural is "ye",
accusative plural is "you". Modern English-speakers use "you" for all four
cases.
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Aug 1st 2007 | 12:43 pm
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"Iceman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Spanish as spoken in Spain has four: formal singular, informal
> singular, formal plural, and informal plural. In most of Latin
> America, there are three, since plural isn't broken down into formal
> and informal. It's not too difficult really - the only judgment call
> is whether you know someone well enough to use informal versus formal.
German has Sie/Ihnen for formal singular and plural, du/dich/dir for
informal singular, and ihr/euch for informal plural.
If you *really* want umpteen second-person words for "you," there's
Russian. Hungarian is loads of fun too.
> Spanish is a much more straightforward language than English - Spanish
> words are always pronounced the way they are written, obviously unlike
> English, and there are very few irregularities in Spanish - English
> has a lot more exceptions to rules.
Same goes for German, as far as written language. Those genders and
declensions, though... oy.
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> Spanish as spoken in Spain has four: formal singular, informal
> singular, formal plural, and informal plural. In most of Latin
> America, there are three, since plural isn't broken down into formal
> and informal. It's not too difficult really - the only judgment call
> is whether you know someone well enough to use informal versus formal.
German has Sie/Ihnen for formal singular and plural, du/dich/dir for
informal singular, and ihr/euch for informal plural.
If you *really* want umpteen second-person words for "you," there's
Russian. Hungarian is loads of fun too.
> Spanish is a much more straightforward language than English - Spanish
> words are always pronounced the way they are written, obviously unlike
> English, and there are very few irregularities in Spanish - English
> has a lot more exceptions to rules.
Same goes for German, as far as written language. Those genders and
declensions, though... oy.
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dgs
Aug 1st 2007 | 6:30 pm
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Re: Odd Fact About American Ego, and English/Spanish Language
Following up to Hatunen <[email protected]> :
>>In Spanish and German, they capitalize the word "you."
In German it's optional, at least in the familiar form (Du/du).
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Tim C.
>>In Spanish and German, they capitalize the word "you."
In German it's optional, at least in the familiar form (Du/du).
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Aug 1st 2007 | 6:31 pm
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Following up to [email protected] (Randy Hudson) :
>In article <[email protected] om>,
> Iceman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Spanish as spoken in Spain has four: formal singular, informal
>> singular, formal plural, and informal plural. In most of Latin
>> America, there are three, since plural isn't broken down into formal
>> and informal. It's not too difficult really - the only judgment call
>> is whether you know someone well enough to use informal versus formal.
>
>English also has four, but three have fallen out of normal use. Vocative
>singular is "thou", accusative singular is "thee", vocative plural is "ye",
>accusative plural is "you". Modern English-speakers use "you" for all four
>cases.
With some dialect exceptions.
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Tim C.
>In article <[email protected] om>,
> Iceman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Spanish as spoken in Spain has four: formal singular, informal
>> singular, formal plural, and informal plural. In most of Latin
>> America, there are three, since plural isn't broken down into formal
>> and informal. It's not too difficult really - the only judgment call
>> is whether you know someone well enough to use informal versus formal.
>
>English also has four, but three have fallen out of normal use. Vocative
>singular is "thou", accusative singular is "thee", vocative plural is "ye",
>accusative plural is "you". Modern English-speakers use "you" for all four
>cases.
With some dialect exceptions.
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Tim C.
Aug 1st 2007 | 6:57 pm
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Following up to Iceman <[email protected]> wrote:
>Spanish is a much more straightforward language than English - Spanish
>words are always pronounced the way they are written, obviously unlike
>English, and there are very few irregularities in Spanish - English
>has a lot more exceptions to rules.
yes, even I can make some progress, I shudder at having to learn
English.
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>Spanish is a much more straightforward language than English - Spanish
>words are always pronounced the way they are written, obviously unlike
>English, and there are very few irregularities in Spanish - English
>has a lot more exceptions to rules.
yes, even I can make some progress, I shudder at having to learn
English.
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Mike
(remove clothing to email)
Aug 1st 2007 | 10:34 pm
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On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 17:43:45 -0700, "dgs" <[email protected]> wrote:
>If you *really* want umpteen second-person words for "you," there's
>Russian. Hungarian is loads of fun too.
Also Korean, although I've been told most of them have fallen out of
use. There were various grades of formal, depending how far above or
below you the person was.
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>If you *really* want umpteen second-person words for "you," there's
>Russian. Hungarian is loads of fun too.
Also Korean, although I've been told most of them have fallen out of
use. There were various grades of formal, depending how far above or
below you the person was.
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My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it
I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup
Aug 2nd 2007 | 9:07 am
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On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 16:23:20 -0700, Iceman <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On Aug 1, 7:11 pm, Hatunen <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 17:51:42 -0700, javawizard
>>
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >In Spanish and German, they capitalize the word "you." In English, we
>> >capitalize "I." - from the American Language section ofwww.odd-info.com
>>
>> Another odd fact: they make you learn umpteen different forms of
>> "you" in German and Spanish.
>
>
>Spanish as spoken in Spain has four: formal singular, informal
>singular, formal plural, and informal plural. In most of Latin
>America, there are three, since plural isn't broken down into formal
>and informal. It's not too difficult really - the only judgment call
>is whether you know someone well enough to use informal versus formal.
>
>Spanish is a much more straightforward language than English - Spanish
>words are always pronounced the way they are written, obviously unlike
>English, and there are very few irregularities in Spanish - English
>has a lot more exceptions to rules.
Having phonetic spelling doesn't make a language more
straighferward, but it does make it more straightforward to read.
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wrote:
>On Aug 1, 7:11 pm, Hatunen <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 17:51:42 -0700, javawizard
>>
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >In Spanish and German, they capitalize the word "you." In English, we
>> >capitalize "I." - from the American Language section ofwww.odd-info.com
>>
>> Another odd fact: they make you learn umpteen different forms of
>> "you" in German and Spanish.
>
>
>Spanish as spoken in Spain has four: formal singular, informal
>singular, formal plural, and informal plural. In most of Latin
>America, there are three, since plural isn't broken down into formal
>and informal. It's not too difficult really - the only judgment call
>is whether you know someone well enough to use informal versus formal.
>
>Spanish is a much more straightforward language than English - Spanish
>words are always pronounced the way they are written, obviously unlike
>English, and there are very few irregularities in Spanish - English
>has a lot more exceptions to rules.
Having phonetic spelling doesn't make a language more
straighferward, but it does make it more straightforward to read.
--
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* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
Aug 2nd 2007 | 9:09 am
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On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 17:43:45 -0700, "dgs" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>"Iceman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected] ups.com...
>
>> Spanish as spoken in Spain has four: formal singular, informal
>> singular, formal plural, and informal plural. In most of Latin
>> America, there are three, since plural isn't broken down into formal
>> and informal. It's not too difficult really - the only judgment call
>> is whether you know someone well enough to use informal versus formal.
>
>German has Sie/Ihnen for formal singular and plural, du/dich/dir for
>informal singular, and ihr/euch for informal plural.
>
>If you *really* want umpteen second-person words for "you," there's
>Russian. Hungarian is loads of fun too.
If Hungarian is an agglutinative language like the related Finn,
the plethora of forms is partly a result of having to tack on
endings for uses that would take distinct prepositions in
English.
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wrote:
>"Iceman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected] ups.com...
>
>> Spanish as spoken in Spain has four: formal singular, informal
>> singular, formal plural, and informal plural. In most of Latin
>> America, there are three, since plural isn't broken down into formal
>> and informal. It's not too difficult really - the only judgment call
>> is whether you know someone well enough to use informal versus formal.
>
>German has Sie/Ihnen for formal singular and plural, du/dich/dir for
>informal singular, and ihr/euch for informal plural.
>
>If you *really* want umpteen second-person words for "you," there's
>Russian. Hungarian is loads of fun too.
If Hungarian is an agglutinative language like the related Finn,
the plethora of forms is partly a result of having to tack on
endings for uses that would take distinct prepositions in
English.
--
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* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
Aug 2nd 2007 | 9:10 am
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On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 07:57:49 +0100, The Reid
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to Iceman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Spanish is a much more straightforward language than English - Spanish
>>words are always pronounced the way they are written, obviously unlike
>>English, and there are very few irregularities in Spanish - English
>>has a lot more exceptions to rules.
>
>yes, even I can make some progress, I shudder at having to learn
>English.
English is easy to learn as long as you don't need to write or
read it.
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* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to Iceman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Spanish is a much more straightforward language than English - Spanish
>>words are always pronounced the way they are written, obviously unlike
>>English, and there are very few irregularities in Spanish - English
>>has a lot more exceptions to rules.
>
>yes, even I can make some progress, I shudder at having to learn
>English.
English is easy to learn as long as you don't need to write or
read it.
--
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* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
Aug 2nd 2007 | 9:54 am
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javawizard <[email protected]> wrote:
> In Spanish and German, they capitalize the word "you."
> In English, we capitalize "I." - from the American
> Language section of www.odd-info.com
I'd say that offers a bit of insight into why America and
England know what it is to be superpowers.
Geoff
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any of them." -- Dorothy Parker
> In Spanish and German, they capitalize the word "you."
> In English, we capitalize "I." - from the American
> Language section of www.odd-info.com
I'd say that offers a bit of insight into why America and
England know what it is to be superpowers.
Geoff
--
"That woman speaks eight languages and can't say 'no' in
any of them." -- Dorothy Parker
Aug 2nd 2007 | 9:55 am
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Iceman <[email protected]> writes:
> Spanish is a much more straightforward language than English
> - Spanish words are always pronounced the way they are written,
> obviously unlike English, and there are very few irregularities
> in Spanish - English has a lot more exceptions to rules.
Then again, proportionately how many words has Spanish "borrowed"
from other languages with different phonetic rules?
Geoff
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"That woman speaks eight languages and can't say 'no' in
any of them." -- Dorothy Parker
> Spanish is a much more straightforward language than English
> - Spanish words are always pronounced the way they are written,
> obviously unlike English, and there are very few irregularities
> in Spanish - English has a lot more exceptions to rules.
Then again, proportionately how many words has Spanish "borrowed"
from other languages with different phonetic rules?
Geoff
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"That woman speaks eight languages and can't say 'no' in
any of them." -- Dorothy Parker
Aug 2nd 2007 | 6:37 pm
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Following up to Hatunen <[email protected]> wrote:
>>yes, even I can make some progress, I shudder at having to learn
>>English.
>
>English is easy to learn as long as you don't need to write or
>read it.
thats OK then!
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>>yes, even I can make some progress, I shudder at having to learn
>>English.
>
>English is easy to learn as long as you don't need to write or
>read it.
thats OK then!
--
Mike
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