Norwegian coastal voyages.
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Rather than book the complete (expensive) package trip for the Norwegian
Coastal Voyage from the UK.can I simply book the cruise part. I am sure that
Norwegians travelling on this service must have a less inexpensive way of
doing it.
Derek.
Coastal Voyage from the UK.can I simply book the cruise part. I am sure that
Norwegians travelling on this service must have a less inexpensive way of
doing it.
Derek.
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"Derek F" <[email protected]> writes:
> Rather than book the complete (expensive) package trip for the
> Norwegian Coastal Voyage from the UK.can I simply book the cruise
> part.
Yes. You can (and I did) even walk up, but there's no guarantee of a
cabin (I didn't get one).
> I am sure that Norwegians travelling on this service must have a
> less inexpensive way of doing it. Derek.
They are also prepared to use their sleeping mats and bags in the room
above the engines if necessary. Are you?
Des
> Rather than book the complete (expensive) package trip for the
> Norwegian Coastal Voyage from the UK.can I simply book the cruise
> part.
Yes. You can (and I did) even walk up, but there's no guarantee of a
cabin (I didn't get one).
> I am sure that Norwegians travelling on this service must have a
> less inexpensive way of doing it. Derek.
They are also prepared to use their sleeping mats and bags in the room
above the engines if necessary. Are you?
Des
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In news:[email protected] "Derek F"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Rather than book the complete (expensive) package trip for the Norwegian
> Coastal Voyage from the UK.can I simply book the cruise part. I am sure
> that Norwegians travelling on this service must have a less inexpensive
> way of doing it.
Take a look at http://www.hurtigruten.com/en/default.aspx
My wife and I are ramping up for the full round trip in June 2007, but
there are several other shorter packages in the catalog.
--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN [email protected]
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Rather than book the complete (expensive) package trip for the Norwegian
> Coastal Voyage from the UK.can I simply book the cruise part. I am sure
> that Norwegians travelling on this service must have a less inexpensive
> way of doing it.
Take a look at http://www.hurtigruten.com/en/default.aspx
My wife and I are ramping up for the full round trip in June 2007, but
there are several other shorter packages in the catalog.
--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN [email protected]
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"Bert Hyman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> In news:[email protected] "Derek F"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Rather than book the complete (expensive) package trip for the Norwegian
>> Coastal Voyage from the UK.can I simply book the cruise part. I am sure
>> that Norwegians travelling on this service must have a less inexpensive
>> way of doing it.
> Take a look at http://www.hurtigruten.com/en/default.aspx
> My wife and I are ramping up for the full round trip in June 2007, but
> there are several other shorter packages in the catalog.
> --
> Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN [email protected]
We went to a presentation of theirs on one of their cruise ships that had
docked in Leith. They were reluctant to talk of anything other than the
brochure listed trips but did mention a cheaper half board option rather
that the "Eat all Day plan" :-)
I met some of the crew members from one of the ships last time we were in
Norway and their version of the trip was made to sound quite casual and
inexpensive. We have covered Norway fairly extensivly by train and don't
need time in Bergen, Oslo or Trondheim as offered in some versions of the
trip.
Derek.
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> In news:[email protected] "Derek F"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Rather than book the complete (expensive) package trip for the Norwegian
>> Coastal Voyage from the UK.can I simply book the cruise part. I am sure
>> that Norwegians travelling on this service must have a less inexpensive
>> way of doing it.
> Take a look at http://www.hurtigruten.com/en/default.aspx
> My wife and I are ramping up for the full round trip in June 2007, but
> there are several other shorter packages in the catalog.
> --
> Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN [email protected]
We went to a presentation of theirs on one of their cruise ships that had
docked in Leith. They were reluctant to talk of anything other than the
brochure listed trips but did mention a cheaper half board option rather
that the "Eat all Day plan" :-)
I met some of the crew members from one of the ships last time we were in
Norway and their version of the trip was made to sound quite casual and
inexpensive. We have covered Norway fairly extensivly by train and don't
need time in Bergen, Oslo or Trondheim as offered in some versions of the
trip.
Derek.
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Derek F wrote:
> "Bert Hyman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>In news:[email protected] "Derek F"
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>Rather than book the complete (expensive) package trip for the Norwegian
>>>Coastal Voyage from the UK.can I simply book the cruise part. I am sure
>>>that Norwegians travelling on this service must have a less inexpensive
>>>way of doing it.
>>Take a look at http://www.hurtigruten.com/en/default.aspx
>>My wife and I are ramping up for the full round trip in June 2007, but
>>there are several other shorter packages in the catalog.
>>--
>>Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN [email protected]
>
> We went to a presentation of theirs on one of their cruise ships that had
> docked in Leith. They were reluctant to talk of anything other than the
> brochure listed trips but did mention a cheaper half board option rather
> that the "Eat all Day plan" :-)
> I met some of the crew members from one of the ships last time we were in
> Norway and their version of the trip was made to sound quite casual and
> inexpensive. We have covered Norway fairly extensivly by train and don't
> need time in Bergen, Oslo or Trondheim as offered in some versions of the
> trip.
> Derek.
>
>
I believe that there are a fair number of choices. The ships are used
as local busses for transit and most cabin travelers are long distance.
I don't remember many folks in the lounges for more than a day. I
also remember food as being fairly expensive if not booked with the
cabin. If you are a very light eater it should be possible.
> "Bert Hyman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>In news:[email protected] "Derek F"
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>Rather than book the complete (expensive) package trip for the Norwegian
>>>Coastal Voyage from the UK.can I simply book the cruise part. I am sure
>>>that Norwegians travelling on this service must have a less inexpensive
>>>way of doing it.
>>Take a look at http://www.hurtigruten.com/en/default.aspx
>>My wife and I are ramping up for the full round trip in June 2007, but
>>there are several other shorter packages in the catalog.
>>--
>>Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN [email protected]
>
> We went to a presentation of theirs on one of their cruise ships that had
> docked in Leith. They were reluctant to talk of anything other than the
> brochure listed trips but did mention a cheaper half board option rather
> that the "Eat all Day plan" :-)
> I met some of the crew members from one of the ships last time we were in
> Norway and their version of the trip was made to sound quite casual and
> inexpensive. We have covered Norway fairly extensivly by train and don't
> need time in Bergen, Oslo or Trondheim as offered in some versions of the
> trip.
> Derek.
>
>
I believe that there are a fair number of choices. The ships are used
as local busses for transit and most cabin travelers are long distance.
I don't remember many folks in the lounges for more than a day. I
also remember food as being fairly expensive if not booked with the
cabin. If you are a very light eater it should be possible.
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Bert Hyman wrote:
> > Rather than book the complete (expensive) package trip for the Norwegian
> > Coastal Voyage from the UK.can I simply book the cruise part. I am sure
> > that Norwegians travelling on this service must have a less inexpensive
> > way of doing it.
The package price is easily decomposed down to transportation,
cabin and dining. So one may opt for modest alternatives as to
cabin and dining, e.g. a hot meal may cost €45 in the restaurant
as opposed to some €10 in the cafeteria.
Mette
> > Rather than book the complete (expensive) package trip for the Norwegian
> > Coastal Voyage from the UK.can I simply book the cruise part. I am sure
> > that Norwegians travelling on this service must have a less inexpensive
> > way of doing it.
The package price is easily decomposed down to transportation,
cabin and dining. So one may opt for modest alternatives as to
cabin and dining, e.g. a hot meal may cost €45 in the restaurant
as opposed to some €10 in the cafeteria.
Mette
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> Derek F wrote:
>> "Bert Hyman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>In news:[email protected] "Derek F"
>>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>Rather than book the complete (expensive) package trip for the Norwegian
>>>>Coastal Voyage from the UK.can I simply book the cruise part. I am sure
>>>>that Norwegians travelling on this service must have a less inexpensive
>>>>way of doing it.
>>>Take a look at http://www.hurtigruten.com/en/default.aspx
>>>My wife and I are ramping up for the full round trip in June 2007, but
>>>there are several other shorter packages in the catalog.
>>>--
>>>Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN [email protected]
>> We went to a presentation of theirs on one of their cruise ships that had
>> docked in Leith. They were reluctant to talk of anything other than the
>> brochure listed trips but did mention a cheaper half board option rather
>> that the "Eat all Day plan" :-)
>> I met some of the crew members from one of the ships last time we were in
>> Norway and their version of the trip was made to sound quite casual and
>> inexpensive. We have covered Norway fairly extensivly by train and don't
>> need time in Bergen, Oslo or Trondheim as offered in some versions of the
>> trip.
>> Derek.
> I believe that there are a fair number of choices. The ships are used as
> local busses for transit and most cabin travelers are long distance. I
> don't remember many folks in the lounges for more than a day. I also
> remember food as being fairly expensive if not booked with the cabin. If
> you are a very light eater it should be possible.
With so may ports of call: who needs to eat on board?
Derek.
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> Derek F wrote:
>> "Bert Hyman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>In news:[email protected] "Derek F"
>>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>Rather than book the complete (expensive) package trip for the Norwegian
>>>>Coastal Voyage from the UK.can I simply book the cruise part. I am sure
>>>>that Norwegians travelling on this service must have a less inexpensive
>>>>way of doing it.
>>>Take a look at http://www.hurtigruten.com/en/default.aspx
>>>My wife and I are ramping up for the full round trip in June 2007, but
>>>there are several other shorter packages in the catalog.
>>>--
>>>Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN [email protected]
>> We went to a presentation of theirs on one of their cruise ships that had
>> docked in Leith. They were reluctant to talk of anything other than the
>> brochure listed trips but did mention a cheaper half board option rather
>> that the "Eat all Day plan" :-)
>> I met some of the crew members from one of the ships last time we were in
>> Norway and their version of the trip was made to sound quite casual and
>> inexpensive. We have covered Norway fairly extensivly by train and don't
>> need time in Bergen, Oslo or Trondheim as offered in some versions of the
>> trip.
>> Derek.
> I believe that there are a fair number of choices. The ships are used as
> local busses for transit and most cabin travelers are long distance. I
> don't remember many folks in the lounges for more than a day. I also
> remember food as being fairly expensive if not booked with the cabin. If
> you are a very light eater it should be possible.
With so may ports of call: who needs to eat on board?
Derek.
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Derek F wrote:
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> >
> With so may ports of call: who needs to eat on board?
> Derek.
Many stops are very short, and if it isn't within the normal short
opening times, places won't be open. For instance, if the boat arrives
at 17:01 and places close at 17:00, they will be closed, even though
you might think in a small place they would be open for other potential
customers.
George
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> >
> With so may ports of call: who needs to eat on board?
> Derek.
Many stops are very short, and if it isn't within the normal short
opening times, places won't be open. For instance, if the boat arrives
at 17:01 and places close at 17:00, they will be closed, even though
you might think in a small place they would be open for other potential
customers.
George
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> Derek F wrote:
> snipped
>> >
>> With so may ports of call: who needs to eat on board?
>> Derek.
> Many stops are very short, and if it isn't within the normal short
> opening times, places won't be open. For instance, if the boat arrives
> at 17:01 and places close at 17:00, they will be closed, even though
> you might think in a small place they would be open for other potential
> customers.
> George
Looking at the timetables again the times in port would mainly not fit in
with meal times. The onboard prices for drinks range from £1.60 for a cup of
tea to £5.50 for a glass of wine ( up to £40 for a bottle) and only first
class cabins on certain boats have kettles in them.
Derek.
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> Derek F wrote:
> snipped
>> >
>> With so may ports of call: who needs to eat on board?
>> Derek.
> Many stops are very short, and if it isn't within the normal short
> opening times, places won't be open. For instance, if the boat arrives
> at 17:01 and places close at 17:00, they will be closed, even though
> you might think in a small place they would be open for other potential
> customers.
> George
Looking at the timetables again the times in port would mainly not fit in
with meal times. The onboard prices for drinks range from £1.60 for a cup of
tea to £5.50 for a glass of wine ( up to £40 for a bottle) and only first
class cabins on certain boats have kettles in them.
Derek.
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Derek F wrote:
> "george" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected] ups.com...
> >
> > Derek F wrote:
> > snipped
> >> >
> >> With so may ports of call: who needs to eat on board?
> >> Derek.
> >
> > Many stops are very short, and if it isn't within the normal short
> > opening times, places won't be open. For instance, if the boat arrives
> > at 17:01 and places close at 17:00, they will be closed, even though
> > you might think in a small place they would be open for other potential
> > customers.
> >
> > George
> >
> Looking at the timetables again the times in port would mainly not fit in
> with meal times. The onboard prices for drinks range from £1.60 for a cup of
> tea to £5.50 for a glass of wine ( up to £40 for a bottle) and only first
> class cabins on certain boats have kettles in them.
> Derek.
There's another problem even when there is enough time to eat during a
stop. You are wasting your valuable time eating instead of
sightseeing. When I traveled the entire roundtrip in 2000 on the old
ship the Lofoten, my private interior room on the lower deck with no
bath wasn't that expensive, and there were also shared rooms available.
However, I doubt that the newer boats have such rooms. Actually, when
you factor in that you are getting transportation, meals, and a room,
the rates aren't really that expensive compared to comparable options
ashore. Wise people carry their own drinks aboard, or make a frantic
dash to the local state liquor store during short stops. Sharing a
bottle is a good way to make new friends while enjoying the midnight
sun.
I also haven't been following this thread closely, most cabins have to
be booked almost a year ahead of time, and some people on my trip had
waited for four years to get the cabin they wanted. Fortunately, I was
able to book my room only three months ahead of time, and I know that
the shared rooms had only a few occupants and most were empty in late
May to early June.
George
> "george" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected] ups.com...
> >
> > Derek F wrote:
> > snipped
> >> >
> >> With so may ports of call: who needs to eat on board?
> >> Derek.
> >
> > Many stops are very short, and if it isn't within the normal short
> > opening times, places won't be open. For instance, if the boat arrives
> > at 17:01 and places close at 17:00, they will be closed, even though
> > you might think in a small place they would be open for other potential
> > customers.
> >
> > George
> >
> Looking at the timetables again the times in port would mainly not fit in
> with meal times. The onboard prices for drinks range from £1.60 for a cup of
> tea to £5.50 for a glass of wine ( up to £40 for a bottle) and only first
> class cabins on certain boats have kettles in them.
> Derek.
There's another problem even when there is enough time to eat during a
stop. You are wasting your valuable time eating instead of
sightseeing. When I traveled the entire roundtrip in 2000 on the old
ship the Lofoten, my private interior room on the lower deck with no
bath wasn't that expensive, and there were also shared rooms available.
However, I doubt that the newer boats have such rooms. Actually, when
you factor in that you are getting transportation, meals, and a room,
the rates aren't really that expensive compared to comparable options
ashore. Wise people carry their own drinks aboard, or make a frantic
dash to the local state liquor store during short stops. Sharing a
bottle is a good way to make new friends while enjoying the midnight
sun.
I also haven't been following this thread closely, most cabins have to
be booked almost a year ahead of time, and some people on my trip had
waited for four years to get the cabin they wanted. Fortunately, I was
able to book my room only three months ahead of time, and I know that
the shared rooms had only a few occupants and most were empty in late
May to early June.
George
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In news:[email protected] oups.com "MLian"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Bert Hyman wrote:
>> > Rather than book the complete (expensive) package trip for the
No, I didn't; that was "[email protected]" .
Please be more careful in your editing.
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<[email protected]> wrote:
> Bert Hyman wrote:
>> > Rather than book the complete (expensive) package trip for the
No, I didn't; that was "[email protected]" .
Please be more careful in your editing.
--
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"george" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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Derek F wrote:
> "george" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected] ups.com...
> >
> > Derek F wrote:
> > snipped
> >> >
> >> With so may ports of call: who needs to eat on board?
> >> Derek.
> >
> > Many stops are very short, and if it isn't within the normal short
> > opening times, places won't be open. For instance, if the boat arrives
> > at 17:01 and places close at 17:00, they will be closed, even though
> > you might think in a small place they would be open for other potential
> > customers.
> >
> > George
> >
> Looking at the timetables again the times in port would mainly not fit in
> with meal times. The onboard prices for drinks range from £1.60 for a cup
> of
> tea to £5.50 for a glass of wine ( up to £40 for a bottle) and only first
> class cabins on certain boats have kettles in them.
> Derek.
There's another problem even when there is enough time to eat during a
stop. You are wasting your valuable time eating instead of
sightseeing. When I traveled the entire roundtrip in 2000 on the old
ship the Lofoten, my private interior room on the lower deck with no
bath wasn't that expensive, and there were also shared rooms available.
However, I doubt that the newer boats have such rooms. Actually, when
you factor in that you are getting transportation, meals, and a room,
the rates aren't really that expensive compared to comparable options
ashore. Wise people carry their own drinks aboard, or make a frantic
dash to the local state liquor store during short stops. Sharing a
bottle is a good way to make new friends while enjoying the midnight
sun.
I also haven't been following this thread closely, most cabins have to
be booked almost a year ahead of time, and some people on my trip had
waited for four years to get the cabin they wanted. Fortunately, I was
able to book my room only three months ahead of time, and I know that
the shared rooms had only a few occupants and most were empty in late
May to early June.
George
They still have some cabins without showers. There is now just one company
doing the coastal cruise after a merger/takeover two years ago.
They certainly have vacancies this year year, that was the reason for having
three visitor session presentations when one of their other ships docked in
Leith this week. They had flown staff up from their London office to chat up
the visitors. They were doing the same at their next port of call.
I look for value for money in my vacations and can only say that the two us
of had 28 days in New Zealand last month (independent travel) for less than
the projected cost of a coastal cruise for two in a reasonable cabin.
Derek.
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Derek F wrote:
> "george" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected] ups.com...
> >
> > Derek F wrote:
> > snipped
> >> >
> >> With so may ports of call: who needs to eat on board?
> >> Derek.
> >
> > Many stops are very short, and if it isn't within the normal short
> > opening times, places won't be open. For instance, if the boat arrives
> > at 17:01 and places close at 17:00, they will be closed, even though
> > you might think in a small place they would be open for other potential
> > customers.
> >
> > George
> >
> Looking at the timetables again the times in port would mainly not fit in
> with meal times. The onboard prices for drinks range from £1.60 for a cup
> of
> tea to £5.50 for a glass of wine ( up to £40 for a bottle) and only first
> class cabins on certain boats have kettles in them.
> Derek.
There's another problem even when there is enough time to eat during a
stop. You are wasting your valuable time eating instead of
sightseeing. When I traveled the entire roundtrip in 2000 on the old
ship the Lofoten, my private interior room on the lower deck with no
bath wasn't that expensive, and there were also shared rooms available.
However, I doubt that the newer boats have such rooms. Actually, when
you factor in that you are getting transportation, meals, and a room,
the rates aren't really that expensive compared to comparable options
ashore. Wise people carry their own drinks aboard, or make a frantic
dash to the local state liquor store during short stops. Sharing a
bottle is a good way to make new friends while enjoying the midnight
sun.
I also haven't been following this thread closely, most cabins have to
be booked almost a year ahead of time, and some people on my trip had
waited for four years to get the cabin they wanted. Fortunately, I was
able to book my room only three months ahead of time, and I know that
the shared rooms had only a few occupants and most were empty in late
May to early June.
George
They still have some cabins without showers. There is now just one company
doing the coastal cruise after a merger/takeover two years ago.
They certainly have vacancies this year year, that was the reason for having
three visitor session presentations when one of their other ships docked in
Leith this week. They had flown staff up from their London office to chat up
the visitors. They were doing the same at their next port of call.
I look for value for money in my vacations and can only say that the two us
of had 28 days in New Zealand last month (independent travel) for less than
the projected cost of a coastal cruise for two in a reasonable cabin.
Derek.
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Derek F wrote:
> Rather than book the complete (expensive) package trip for the Norwegian
> Coastal Voyage from the UK.can I simply book the cruise part. I am sure that
> Norwegians travelling on this service must have a less inexpensive way of
> doing it.
> Derek.
I just came back, I paid GBP 790 from Bergen-Kirkenes
this included internal flight Kirkenes-Oslo and 1/2 board
international flights, excursions and 'water' were extra.
found on www.hurtigruten.co.uk
> Rather than book the complete (expensive) package trip for the Norwegian
> Coastal Voyage from the UK.can I simply book the cruise part. I am sure that
> Norwegians travelling on this service must have a less inexpensive way of
> doing it.
> Derek.
I just came back, I paid GBP 790 from Bergen-Kirkenes
this included internal flight Kirkenes-Oslo and 1/2 board
international flights, excursions and 'water' were extra.
found on www.hurtigruten.co.uk
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eetinBelgië wrote:
> Derek F wrote:
> > Rather than book the complete (expensive) package trip for the Norwegian
> > Coastal Voyage from the UK.can I simply book the cruise part. I am sure that
> > Norwegians travelling on this service must have a less inexpensive way of
> > doing it.
> > Derek.
> I just came back, I paid GBP 790 from Bergen-Kirkenes
> this included internal flight Kirkenes-Oslo and 1/2 board
> international flights, excursions and 'water' were extra.
> found on www.hurtigruten.co.uk
and beware of 'coastal ham', its really WHALE !!
> Derek F wrote:
> > Rather than book the complete (expensive) package trip for the Norwegian
> > Coastal Voyage from the UK.can I simply book the cruise part. I am sure that
> > Norwegians travelling on this service must have a less inexpensive way of
> > doing it.
> > Derek.
> I just came back, I paid GBP 790 from Bergen-Kirkenes
> this included internal flight Kirkenes-Oslo and 1/2 board
> international flights, excursions and 'water' were extra.
> found on www.hurtigruten.co.uk
and beware of 'coastal ham', its really WHALE !!
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On 24 Apr 2006 00:17:35 -0700, "eetinBelgië"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>eetinBelgië wrote:
>> Derek F wrote:
>> > Rather than book the complete (expensive) package trip for the Norwegian
>> > Coastal Voyage from the UK.can I simply book the cruise part. I am sure that
>> > Norwegians travelling on this service must have a less inexpensive way of
>> > doing it.
>> > Derek.
>> I just came back, I paid GBP 790 from Bergen-Kirkenes
>> this included internal flight Kirkenes-Oslo and 1/2 board
>> international flights, excursions and 'water' were extra.
>> found on www.hurtigruten.co.uk
>and beware of 'coastal ham', its really WHALE !!
gRunge steak?
--
Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>eetinBelgië wrote:
>> Derek F wrote:
>> > Rather than book the complete (expensive) package trip for the Norwegian
>> > Coastal Voyage from the UK.can I simply book the cruise part. I am sure that
>> > Norwegians travelling on this service must have a less inexpensive way of
>> > doing it.
>> > Derek.
>> I just came back, I paid GBP 790 from Bergen-Kirkenes
>> this included internal flight Kirkenes-Oslo and 1/2 board
>> international flights, excursions and 'water' were extra.
>> found on www.hurtigruten.co.uk
>and beware of 'coastal ham', its really WHALE !!
gRunge steak?
--
Martin



