On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 11:01:44 +0200, Tim C. <[email protected]> wrote:

>Following up to Martin <[email protected]> :
>
>>On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 10:51:12 +0200, Tim C. <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>Following up to "tile" <[email protected]> :
>>>
>>>> But for instance Bratislava was known as Pressburg..
>>>
>>>It still is amongst some German-speakers.
>>
>>I can see a future for a fast food product called a Pressburger.
>
>Filled with Presswurst?

when you are pressed for time
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Martin

Following up to Martin <[email protected]> :

>On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 11:01:44 +0200, Tim C. <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Following up to Martin <[email protected]> :
>>
>>>On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 10:51:12 +0200, Tim C. <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Following up to "tile" <[email protected]> :
>>>>
>>>>> But for instance Bratislava was known as Pressburg..
>>>>
>>>>It still is amongst some German-speakers.
>>>
>>>I can see a future for a fast food product called a Pressburger.
>>
>>Filled with Presswurst?
>
>when you are pressed for time

Well oil be burgered if oi carry on with this. It's the wurst thread in
ages.
--
Tim C.

>>
>>
>> Sarah
>
> well. it was very interesting to see how names changed in the past
> centuries.
>
> as you know Hitler obliged everybody to present birth certifcates of three
> generations to prove that a person was not jewish..
> and birth certificates notoriously those years were kept only in churches.
>
> I can say that my relatives were emigrating from Slovakia to Canada with
> the company Bata if I well remember in 1936..
>
> My relatives were refused transit through Germany as they could not prove
> they were not jewish..
> Transit through germany was forbidden for all jews.
>
> so they had to go back. get the certificates..
> I saw a birth certificate dating as back as 1776
>
> a certain Maria Anderleova.. it must have been a german name.. Anderle..
> with the suffix -- ova.
> that indicates she was the daughter of Anderle or married to Anderle
>
> During the german occupation fo Czech and Slovak republics.. names were
> germanized again.. and lost the OVA suffix.
>
> I remeber a survivor of Terezin..
> she was Fantlova in the czech republic.. but Fantl for the germans.
>
> By the way.. Bata shoe company owner is from the Bata Family from Zlin
> ( Gottwaldov during the communist age).-
> he founded the village of Batavia near Belleville (Ontario )
> some of my relatives came back to Slovakia after the war. you can imagine
> how Europe could be in 1946..
>
> they took a car with them.. a Studebaker Champion that still runs in good
> conditions. ( apparently the only type of car ever produced in canada)
> in 1948 with the advent of the Communist regime they underwent terrible
> experiences.. they were searched almost daily for dollars.. currency and
> deprived of everything that was againt the regime.
> their garden was thorougly explored.. resulting in a lot of ditches..
>
> their correspondance with their friends in Canada or USA was subject to
> Censorship.
> actually.. they had deserved a diplom of Honour having supported the Czech
> Government in Exile during the war.
> the father could not be a soldier of the Czech army as he was sick.. but
> supported the Czech Army with a lot of donations. That saved him a little
> bit.
>
> though he was in prison for a few days for no reason at all.
> only because he could speak english and came back froma capitalist
> country.
>
> they had to children that had been born in Canada and had canadian
> citizenship and could speak only english
>
> they had to give up citizenship and learn the language again.
>
> sooo you see how the world changes..

Interesting story. As an American, I strongly disagree with the policies of
my government. But tales like that remind me why my grandparents left
Europe.

Sarah

Sarah Banick wrote:
>>> Sarah
>>
>> well. it was very interesting to see how names changed in the past
>> centuries.
>>
>> as you know Hitler obliged everybody to present birth certifcates of
>> three generations to prove that a person was not jewish..
>> and birth certificates notoriously those years were kept only in
>> churches. I can say that my relatives were emigrating from Slovakia to
>> Canada with the company Bata if I well remember in 1936..
>>
>> My relatives were refused transit through Germany as they could not
>> prove they were not jewish..
>> Transit through germany was forbidden for all jews.
>>
>> so they had to go back. get the certificates..
>> I saw a birth certificate dating as back as 1776
>>
>> a certain Maria Anderleova.. it must have been a german name..
>> Anderle.. with the suffix -- ova.
>> that indicates she was the daughter of Anderle or married to
>> Anderle During the german occupation fo Czech and Slovak republics..
>> names
>> were germanized again.. and lost the OVA suffix.
>>
>> I remeber a survivor of Terezin..
>> she was Fantlova in the czech republic.. but Fantl for the germans.
>>
>> By the way.. Bata shoe company owner is from the Bata Family from
>> Zlin ( Gottwaldov during the communist age).-
>> he founded the village of Batavia near Belleville (Ontario )
>> some of my relatives came back to Slovakia after the war. you can
>> imagine how Europe could be in 1946..
>>
>> they took a car with them.. a Studebaker Champion that still runs
>> in good conditions. ( apparently the only type of car ever produced
>> in canada) in 1948 with the advent of the Communist regime they underwent
>> terrible experiences.. they were searched almost daily for dollars..
>> currency and deprived of everything that was againt the regime.
>> their garden was thorougly explored.. resulting in a lot of ditches..
>>
>> their correspondance with their friends in Canada or USA was subject
>> to Censorship.
>> actually.. they had deserved a diplom of Honour having supported the
>> Czech Government in Exile during the war.
>> the father could not be a soldier of the Czech army as he was sick..
>> but supported the Czech Army with a lot of donations. That saved him
>> a little bit.
>>
>> though he was in prison for a few days for no reason at all.
>> only because he could speak english and came back froma capitalist
>> country.
>>
>> they had to children that had been born in Canada and had canadian
>> citizenship and could speak only english
>>
>> they had to give up citizenship and learn the language again.
>>
>> sooo you see how the world changes..
>
> Interesting story. As an American, I strongly disagree with the
> policies of my government. But tales like that remind me why my
> grandparents left Europe.
>
> Sarah
well Europe suffered a lot because of criminal dictators..
the october revolution in Russia gave way to the darkest years of the human
age.

you can imagine how it was during the german occupation in Europe.. and how
it was during the russian occupation of the satellite countries..
I have seen a lot since 1969.. have been many times in West berlin and made
transit in the former east germany
ui think that was the worst of the communist regimes.

if you happen to look at photos of DDR grenzentruppen you will notice how
their uniforms are similar to the nazi uniforms..

I met people that spent a few years in prison just because they were caught
too near the borders..
you might not know that it was forbidden for everybody without a valid
passport yo be nearer than 5 kms from each border.

even mickey mouse was forbidden.. not to talk about playboy

> But for instance
> Bratislava was known as Pressburg. and was never an Hungarian town.


Hard Luck ! Bratislava, was called Pozsony in Hungarian, Presbourg
in French
(see list of streets in Paris) and was for three centuries the seat of
the Hungarian
parliament and the place where coronations took place .
Pull another one.

Maybe Kosice, which generaly appears in history under its German or
Hungarian
names. The same applies to many cities in Roumania and Hungary indeed.

Where, for example is Albe Royale ? or Grand Vardin ?

What, no comments about hiking boots or overheated cupboards?
Is Martin ill?

Jesper Lauridsen <[email protected]> wrote:

> What, no comments about hiking boots or overheated cupboards?
> Is Martin ill?

No. We were waiting on you to say something about it.

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Does it mean that i can croos any borders freely?
Please use more brain in your posts.