Make credence recognised that on Sun, 13 May 2007 18:28:53 +0200,
Martin <[email protected]> has scripted:

>On Sun, 13 May 2007 17:21:06 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
>>The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 12 May 2007 17:13:32 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
>>> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>>
>>> >Doesn't take much to get you going.
>>>
>>> unlike you, dogs, pigeons, cars, smoking, ...... :-)
>>
>>I like dogs actually. I don't want them as dining companions- though if
>>someone wants to eat them, I suppose that's acceptable. I noticed lots
>>of no-dogs signs in Portugal bars and restaurants, but the Portuguese
>>also smoke like chimneys. One nice lunch in a nice 'local' restaurant
>>was completely ruined for me by the trio at the table opposite who
>>smoked constantly when _they_ weren't eating. I also read in an
>>English-language newspaper there (for expats preumably) that smoking
>>will be majorly banned in public spaces in Portugal soon, so that's
>>welcome news.
>
>Judging from a bit of a weird film on Belgian TV the other night, the Japanese
>really do smoke whilst having sex, The dirty animals ...

The Japanese do the weirdest shit ever! Some of the vilest stuff I've
ever seen was Japanese. Actually, it was probably all of it.
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On Sun, 13 May 2007 18:28:53 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Sun, 13 May 2007 17:21:06 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
>>The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 12 May 2007 17:13:32 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
>>> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>>
>>> >Doesn't take much to get you going.
>>>
>>> unlike you, dogs, pigeons, cars, smoking, ...... :-)
>>
>>I like dogs actually. I don't want them as dining companions- though if
>>someone wants to eat them, I suppose that's acceptable. I noticed lots
>>of no-dogs signs in Portugal bars and restaurants, but the Portuguese
>>also smoke like chimneys. One nice lunch in a nice 'local' restaurant
>>was completely ruined for me by the trio at the table opposite who
>>smoked constantly when _they_ weren't eating. I also read in an
>>English-language newspaper there (for expats preumably) that smoking
>>will be majorly banned in public spaces in Portugal soon, so that's
>>welcome news.
>
>Judging from a bit of a weird film on Belgian TV the other night, the Japanese
>really do smoke whilst having sex, The dirty animals ...

Do you smoke after sex?
Dunno, I never look down there!

On Sun, 13 May 2007 18:57:15 +0200, [email protected] (Mister Bartlett)
wrote:

>David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > On Sat, 12 May 2007 17:13:32 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
>> > _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
>> > >I am actually considering Hardknott Pass myself in the summer-
>> > >combination of rail, steam train and foot, or rail, steam train, bike
>> > >and foot.
>> >
>> > to be serious for a moment, dont bother if you are going to walk. Its
>> > great fun in a car but there are many better *walks*, why walk on a
>> > road?
>>
>> It was the bike challenge that interested me most about it, but in
>> general, yes, walking alongside a road in the countryside is no fun- and
>> I prefer not doing so if there's a better alternative. That said, I'm
>> not discounting walking it yet. I'll see.
>
>Cycling over Hardknott Pass is f***ing hard work!
>
>B;
Not only that it is a dangerous descent!

The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Sun, 13 May 2007 17:21:06 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >> >I am actually considering Hardknott Pass myself in the summer-
> >> >combination of rail, steam train and foot, or rail, steam train, bike
> >> >and foot.
> >>
> >> to be serious for a moment, dont bother if you are going to walk. Its
> >> great fun in a car but there are many better *walks*, why walk on a
> >> road?
> >
> >It was the bike challenge that interested me most about it,
>
> I suppose cycling it would be OK but an off road track would be safer.

Safer?

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Mister Bartlett <[email protected]> wrote:

> David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > On Sat, 12 May 2007 17:13:32 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
> > > _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> > > >I am actually considering Hardknott Pass myself in the summer-
> > > >combination of rail, steam train and foot, or rail, steam train, bike
> > > >and foot.
> > >
> > > to be serious for a moment, dont bother if you are going to walk. Its
> > > great fun in a car but there are many better *walks*, why walk on a
> > > road?
> >
> > It was the bike challenge that interested me most about it, but in
> > general, yes, walking alongside a road in the countryside is no fun- and
> > I prefer not doing so if there's a better alternative. That said, I'm
> > not discounting walking it yet. I'll see.
>
> Cycling over Hardknott Pass is f***ing hard work!

Which is why it's a challenge.

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On Mon, 14 May 2007 04:36:37 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:

>> >It was the bike challenge that interested me most about it,
>>
>> I suppose cycling it would be OK but an off road track would be safer.
>
>Safer?

You are going to cycle a *very* narrow road (used by farm vehicles and
maintenance trucks sometimes) with *very* tight bends and completely
blind brows (not blind at "speed", totally blind when stationary) when
you could be away from the traffic enjoying yourself, you hate cars,
whats the point? Remember theres a very good chance you will be riding
in low cloud. What are bike brakes like on steep wet descents
nowadays?
The ELD is famous for its walking, thats the way to go (cycling the
paths agrevates walkers and is often impractical, most cyclists end up
carrrying the bike. You say you want a challenge, they are there
waiting, the way to do (for you) it is train - R&E - walk.
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Spain walking, food, tourism "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk"
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On Sun, 13 May 2007 14:50:06 -0700, irwell <[email protected]> wrote:

>>Cycling over Hardknott Pass is f***ing hard work!
>>
>>B;
>Not only that it is a dangerous descent!

I cant recollect seeing people do it, I would be worried about brakes
unless they have improved in recent years.
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Mike Reid
UK walking, food, photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Spain walking, food, tourism "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk"
Beginners UK flight sim addons "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk"

On Mon, 14 May 2007 04:36:37 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:

>> Cycling over Hardknott Pass is f***ing hard work!
>
>Which is why it's a challenge.

the real challenges are the mountains that will be all around you.
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Mike Reid
UK walking, food, photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Spain walking, food, tourism "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk"
Beginners UK flight sim addons "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk"

On 14 mei, 08:45, The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sun, 13 May 2007 14:50:06 -0700, irwell <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>Cycling over Hardknott Pass is f***ing hard work!
>
> >>B;
> >Not only that it is a dangerous descent!
>
> I cant recollect seeing people do it, I would be worried about brakes
> unless they have improved in recent years.

Hardknott is a nasty climb, but the descent is peanuts compared with
Alpine descents that I have done a zillion times. And yes, bike
brakes, particularly disk brakes, have improved enormously in the last
few years.

B;

On Mon, 14 May 2007 04:36:37 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

>The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 13 May 2007 17:21:06 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
>> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>> >> >I am actually considering Hardknott Pass myself in the summer-
>> >> >combination of rail, steam train and foot, or rail, steam train, bike
>> >> >and foot.
>> >>
>> >> to be serious for a moment, dont bother if you are going to walk. Its
>> >> great fun in a car but there are many better *walks*, why walk on a
>> >> road?
>> >
>> >It was the bike challenge that interested me most about it,
>>
>> I suppose cycling it would be OK but an off road track would be safer.
>
>Safer?

Away from mad bastards in BMWs?
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Martin

On Mon, 14 May 2007 07:45:44 +0100, The Reid <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On Sun, 13 May 2007 14:50:06 -0700, irwell <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>>Cycling over Hardknott Pass is f***ing hard work!
>>>
>>>B;
>>Not only that it is a dangerous descent!
>
>I cant recollect seeing people do it, I would be worried about brakes
>unless they have improved in recent years.

We did it with a tandem, in the 50s, pedalled most of the way
up, then pushed the bike for the last quarter mile or so,
then walked the bike down until the pass eased off a bit.
We had three brakes, two caliper rim types, and a disc
on the rear wheel. A tandem weighs quite a bit, and with two
people and our pannier bags, speeds of over 40 mph are possible.