On Sat, 12 May 2007 01:26:52 GMT, Dan Stephenson <[email protected]> wrote:

>On 2007-05-11 01:40:51 -0500, The Reid <[email protected]> said:
>
>> On Thu, 10 May 2007 20:38:44 -0500, Dan Stephenson
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> I was planning to visit some megalithic sites: Long Meg, Mayburgh,
>>> Castlerigg, and Swinside. Are there any others there to visit, and
>>> what village are they near?
>>
>> does roman interest you? There's Hardnott fort on the Hardnott pass,
>> most Americans find the drive "interesting"
>
>Is the Hardnott "fort" a really fortress ruin, or the ruins of a villa?
>
>In Britain, my biggest interest in Roman-ness are the villa, for the
>opportunity to see the mosaic floors. I took in a number of them in
>southern England on my trip last Fall.

Stephen R. Cosh and David S. Neal have produced a four volume illustrated
inventory of Roman Mosaics in UK. It is not cheap! Volume 1 covers the North of
England
If you google with their names you get a lot of interesting links.

Roman Mosaics of Britain Volume 1: Northern Britain (Hardcover)
by David S. Neal (Author), Stephen R. Cosh (Author)
# ISBN-10: 0953784525
# ISBN-13: 978-0953784523

Available from abebooks.com
http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/Sear...+R.+Cosh&y&xX
Society of Antiquaries of London. This first volume of a four-volume corpus of
Roman mosaics in Britain covers the north and east from Northants to Yorkshire
and from Warwickshire to East Anglia; there are none in Scotland! The book
begins with a general introduction on mosaics and their construction and their
workshop groups, and then proceeds to the catalogue, which includes every mosaic
known, described by county and by site, with a description and an illustration -
these are generally in colour and are taken from the best sources - published as
engravings, photos, or from meticulous paintings, most of which are by David
Neal. It is a sumptuous volume, and an indispensable work of reference. 415p,
hundreds of illus, most in col (Illuminata/Society of Antiquaries of London
2002). 9780953784523. Hardback. Bookseller Inventory # 32918H

Maybe you can get your local library to order a copy.
>
>As for the drive, yes, I make a point to drive over anything that calls
>itself a "pass". Ha. I have a well-used Michelin Road Atlas of Great
>Britain and Ireland to bring with me. I follow all the roads that are
>marked in Green, meaning a scenic route.

You follow the caravans?
--

Martin

On 12 May, 02:37, Dan Stephenson <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 2007-05-11 03:27:10 -0500, David <[email protected]> said:
>
> > Broughton In Furness itself
> > [nothing spectacular, just interesting example of working unspoiled
> > local village]
>
> Well, as an American who really loves the olden British village (e.g.
> Lacock, Castle Combe, Bibury, etc.) Broughton In Furness is
> _definitely_ on my list!!
> --
> Dan Stephenson
> Photos, movies, panos from the Europe, USA, plus N.Z.:http://homepage.mac.com/stepheda
>
> (remove nospam from email address to reply via email)

In which case you might look in on Ulverston if you're around there -
it's perhaps the town equivalent of Broughton.

And getting to hamlets now, if you can find Colton and Rusland
[Hawkshead direction] in your atlas, do have a drive around there -
again, no lakes or big mountains, just unspoilt rural bliss
[especially Colton Church, reached through a farmyard !] The Farmers
Arms at Lowick is an interesting pub too, and will provide ok-ish food.

On Sat, 12 May 2007 01:26:52 GMT, Dan Stephenson
<[email protected]> wrote:

>> does roman interest you? There's Hardnott fort on the Hardnott pass,
>> most Americans find the drive "interesting"
>
>Is the Hardnott "fort" a really fortress ruin, or the ruins of a villa?

a fortress guarding a pass
"http://www.visitcumbria.com/wc/hardfort.htm"

>In Britain, my biggest interest in Roman-ness are the villa, for the
>opportunity to see the mosaic floors. I took in a number of them in
>southern England on my trip last Fall.

Yes, theres one near me

>As for the drive, yes, I make a point to drive over anything that calls
>itself a "pass". Ha. I have a well-used Michelin Road Atlas of Great
>Britain and Ireland to bring with me. I follow all the roads that are
>marked in Green, meaning a scenic route.

its more than a scenic route
"http://www.rural-roads.co.uk/lakes/wrynose.shtml"
very steep and narrow, make sure you have a clear run up the steep
bits.
Ive yet to work out if its best with traction control on or off.
Probably not suitable for a "class 1" hire car
--
Mike Reid
UK walking, food, photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Spain walking, food, tourism "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk"
Beginners UK flight sim addons "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk"

On Sat, 12 May 2007 02:46:27 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:

>> Well, as an American who really loves the olden British village (e.g.
>> Lacock, Castle Combe, Bibury, etc.) Broughton In Furness is
>> _definitely_ on my list!!
>
>Make sure you drive there, and clog the roads.

bloody hell David, he going to use the train for part of it and
Hardnott etc isnt, oh I give up.......
--
Mike Reid
UK walking, food, photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Spain walking, food, tourism "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk"
Beginners UK flight sim addons "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk"

On 2007-05-12 04:21:55 -0500, Martin <[email protected]> said:

>> As for the drive, yes, I make a point to drive over anything that calls
>> itself a "pass". Ha. I have a well-used Michelin Road Atlas of Great
>> Britain and Ireland to bring with me. I follow all the roads that are
>> marked in Green, meaning a scenic route.
>
> You follow the caravans?

The caravans don't go on the one-lane roads, dude.

In the course of my extensive touring of the British Isles the problem
of caravans blocking the roads is over-estimated.
--
Dan Stephenson
Photos, movies, panos from the Europe, USA, plus N.Z.:
http://homepage.mac.com/stepheda

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On 2007-05-12 04:21:55 -0500, Martin <[email protected]> said:

>
> Stephen R. Cosh and David S. Neal have produced a four volume illustrated
> inventory of Roman Mosaics in UK. It is not cheap! Volume 1 covers the North of
> England
> If you google with their names you get a lot of interesting links.

Super, thanks, I'll look into it.

Speaking of large volumes, I just got a used copy of Norwich's
Architecture of Southern England. Wow!
--
Dan Stephenson
Photos, movies, panos from the Europe, USA, plus N.Z.:
http://homepage.mac.com/stepheda

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On Sat, 12 May 2007 08:10:23 -0500, Dan Stephenson <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On 2007-05-12 04:21:55 -0500, Martin <[email protected]> said:
>
>>
>> Stephen R. Cosh and David S. Neal have produced a four volume illustrated
>> inventory of Roman Mosaics in UK. It is not cheap! Volume 1 covers the North of
>> England
>> If you google with their names you get a lot of interesting links.
>
>Super, thanks, I'll look into it.
>
>Speaking of large volumes, I just got a used copy of Norwich's
>Architecture of Southern England. Wow!

Have you got Nicholas Pevsner books?

A Guide to Roman Remains in Britain Roger J A Wilson first published in 1975 is
useful. I'm not sure if it has been brought up to date with new discoveries. My
copy cost GBP2.95 new.

Second hand prices from USD 3
http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/Sear...A+Wilson&y&xw
--

Martin

On 12 May 2007 04:50:35 -0700, David <[email protected]> wrote:

>On 12 May, 02:37, Dan Stephenson <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 2007-05-11 03:27:10 -0500, David <[email protected]> said:
>>
>> > Broughton In Furness itself
>> > [nothing spectacular, just interesting example of working unspoiled
>> > local village]
>>
>> Well, as an American who really loves the olden British village (e.g.
>> Lacock, Castle Combe, Bibury, etc.) Broughton In Furness is
>> _definitely_ on my list!!
>> --
>> Dan Stephenson
>> Photos, movies, panos from the Europe, USA, plus N.Z.:http://homepage.mac.com/stepheda
>>
>> (remove nospam from email address to reply via email)
>
>In which case you might look in on Ulverston if you're around there -
>it's perhaps the town equivalent of Broughton.
>
>And getting to hamlets now, if you can find Colton and Rusland
>[Hawkshead direction] in your atlas, do have a drive around there -
>again, no lakes or big mountains, just unspoilt rural bliss
>[especially Colton Church, reached through a farmyard !] The Farmers
>Arms at Lowick is an interesting pub too, and will provide ok-ish food.

Rusland, spent a year there in 1948, planting trees for the
Forestry Commission, a bunch of us ex-service men on a
training scheme. Must get back one day and have a look at those
60 year old Sitka Spruce and Larch trees. Part of the Grizedale
Forest,was prisoner of war camp during WW2.
Stan Laurel, of Laurel and Hardy, was an Ulverston native.

The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Sat, 12 May 2007 02:46:27 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >> Well, as an American who really loves the olden British village (e.g.
> >> Lacock, Castle Combe, Bibury, etc.) Broughton In Furness is
> >> _definitely_ on my list!!
> >
> >Make sure you drive there, and clog the roads.
>
> bloody hell David, he going to use the train for part of it and
> Hardnott etc isnt, oh I give up.......

Doesn't take much to get you going.

I am actually considering Hardknott Pass myself in the summer-
combination of rail, steam train and foot, or rail, steam train, bike
and foot.

--
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David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
(don't email yahoo address) usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk

On Sat, 12 May 2007 08:09:21 -0500, Dan Stephenson
<[email protected]> wrote:

>The caravans don't go on the one-lane roads, dude.

caravans not allowed on Hardnott pass

>In the course of my extensive touring of the British Isles the problem
>of caravans blocking the roads is over-estimated.

but get the exocet accessory just in case
--
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UK walking, food, photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Spain walking, food, tourism "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk"
Beginners UK flight sim addons "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk"

On Sat, 12 May 2007 17:13:32 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:

>Doesn't take much to get you going.

unlike you, dogs, pigeons, cars, smoking, ...... :-)

>I am actually considering Hardknott Pass myself in the summer-
>combination of rail, steam train and foot, or rail, steam train, bike
>and foot.

to be serious for a moment, dont bother if you are going to walk. Its
great fun in a car but there are many better *walks*, why walk on a
road? I suggest take the steam train to Eskdale and walk over the
corpse road to Wasdale Head, great view of WH as you approach
"http://www.fellwalk.co.uk/waspic050.htm"

If not that walk along the Esk a bit and up onto Harter Fell, its more
of a big boys walk, but not too tough. If you like you can carry on
over it to hardnott passs, cross the road and up to the top of
Hardnott, for views of Scafell Pike across upper eskdale
"http://www.fellwalk.co.uk/scafell2.htm"

better still stay at the Wasdale head and do Scafell pike by hollow
stones.
"http://www.fellwalk.co.uk/page26.htm"

or the mosedale horseshoe which is a classic englisgh hillwalk

"http://www.fellwalk.co.uk/page20.htm"
--
Mike Reid
Wasdale picture gallery
"http://www.fellwalk.co.uk/waspics.htm"
(see website for email)

The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Sat, 12 May 2007 17:13:32 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >Doesn't take much to get you going.
>
> unlike you, dogs, pigeons, cars, smoking, ...... :-)

I like dogs actually. I don't want them as dining companions- though if
someone wants to eat them, I suppose that's acceptable. I noticed lots
of no-dogs signs in Portugal bars and restaurants, but the Portuguese
also smoke like chimneys. One nice lunch in a nice 'local' restaurant
was completely ruined for me by the trio at the table opposite who
smoked constantly when _they_ weren't eating. I also read in an
English-language newspaper there (for expats preumably) that smoking
will be majorly banned in public spaces in Portugal soon, so that's
welcome news.

On Portuguese trains, it seems the passage between carriages is a de
facto smoking area, which made going to the loo or the buffet car
uncomfortable. That, and if you were sitting anywhere near the doors,
you had their stinking smoke all the time. One young kid across from us
on the train spent all his time either rolling a cigarette or smoking
one in that area- this on a journey over three hours long. I'm not
kidding.

> >I am actually considering Hardknott Pass myself in the summer-
> >combination of rail, steam train and foot, or rail, steam train, bike
> >and foot.
>
> to be serious for a moment, dont bother if you are going to walk. Its
> great fun in a car but there are many better *walks*, why walk on a
> road?

It was the bike challenge that interested me most about it, but in
general, yes, walking alongside a road in the countryside is no fun- and
I prefer not doing so if there's a better alternative. That said, I'm
not discounting walking it yet. I'll see.

--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
(don't email yahoo address) usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk

On Sun, 13 May 2007 17:21:06 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

>The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 12 May 2007 17:13:32 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
>> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>> >Doesn't take much to get you going.
>>
>> unlike you, dogs, pigeons, cars, smoking, ...... :-)
>
>I like dogs actually. I don't want them as dining companions- though if
>someone wants to eat them, I suppose that's acceptable. I noticed lots
>of no-dogs signs in Portugal bars and restaurants, but the Portuguese
>also smoke like chimneys. One nice lunch in a nice 'local' restaurant
>was completely ruined for me by the trio at the table opposite who
>smoked constantly when _they_ weren't eating. I also read in an
>English-language newspaper there (for expats preumably) that smoking
>will be majorly banned in public spaces in Portugal soon, so that's
>welcome news.

Judging from a bit of a weird film on Belgian TV the other night, the Japanese
really do smoke whilst having sex, The dirty animals ...

--

Martin

On Sun, 13 May 2007 17:21:06 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:

>> >I am actually considering Hardknott Pass myself in the summer-
>> >combination of rail, steam train and foot, or rail, steam train, bike
>> >and foot.
>>
>> to be serious for a moment, dont bother if you are going to walk. Its
>> great fun in a car but there are many better *walks*, why walk on a
>> road?
>
>It was the bike challenge that interested me most about it,

I suppose cycling it would be OK but an off road track would be safer.
--
Mike Reid
UK walking, food, photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Spain walking, food, tourism "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk"
Beginners UK flight sim addons "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk"

David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) <[email protected]> wrote:

> The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 12 May 2007 17:13:32 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
> > _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:

> > >I am actually considering Hardknott Pass myself in the summer-
> > >combination of rail, steam train and foot, or rail, steam train, bike
> > >and foot.
> >
> > to be serious for a moment, dont bother if you are going to walk. Its
> > great fun in a car but there are many better *walks*, why walk on a
> > road?
>
> It was the bike challenge that interested me most about it, but in
> general, yes, walking alongside a road in the countryside is no fun- and
> I prefer not doing so if there's a better alternative. That said, I'm
> not discounting walking it yet. I'll see.

Cycling over Hardknott Pass is f***ing hard work!

B;

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