On Jul 22, 3:08 am, "Peter Muehlbauer" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> "john fernbach" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> > Ah, but as Mrbawana would say - let's look on the bright side on this
> > story.
>
> Of course. Be happy.
> Rainfall is a clear sign of a cooling atmosphere.

Now there's real non-science.

> Together with higher cosmic rays and clouds, it is a clear sign
> that water vapor becomes more and more saturated in the sky
> by cooling down. Rain is the consequence.

So now the cosmic rays are fluctuating hourly ... 'water vapour
becomes more saturated' ... wow, that's neato.
... the vapour becomes more saturated (?!) 'by cooling down' ????

Thanks for the comic relief.

On Jul 22, 9:06 am, "altheim" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "john fernbach" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Ah, but as Mrbawana would say - let's look on the bright side on this
> > story.
>
> > At least GW isn't causing England to suffer from a summer DROUGHT!
>
> No. We had that last year and for several years before - to the extent
> that our water reservoirs were running dry. We had hosepipe bans
> everywhere and some places were rationed on standpipes in the
> street.
>
> That was very unusual - almost as unusual as the current flooding.
> These are new extremes.
>
> --
> altheim

Personal experience says otherwise. I was all over the Isles in the
summer of '76 and there was massive serious drought everywhere -
dangerous reservoir shortages, ground cracks you could climb into, and
people walking around without their brella's complaining about the
sun. Back there in '79 and it was shoe-squish everywhere I went.

Now if wild parrots starting nesting successfully in the garden ...

On Jul 22, 9:04 am, "Peter Muehlbauer" <[email protected]>
wrote:

> With the higher flux of CR in the last decade, the chances of cloud
> condensation has risen drastically.

Rebuttal:- http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?pB

> Since troposhere is cooling for a decade,

Refutted in 2005. Data and formula errors at UAH. Current unresolved
issue is equatorial troposphere measurements.

> Remember the Maunder minimum, where almost no sun activity occured,
> resulting in high CR flux and cooling down the earth to extreme cold.

It was cooler, not extremely cold - less than 1dC of global cooling at
most - taking almost 200 years to drop that much and coming out of it
about 200 years later.

> This is, where we are now standing... at the edge of a new minimum.
> It has already begun for one decade and, after prediction of solar cycle 25 as
> the weakest of centuries, we will go on cooling, contrary to the IPCC projections
> of a linear warming to 2100, that must come to their conclusions, because they
> never enough mentioned solar activity and cosmic rays in their entirety.

The solar explanation comes and goes like the tide.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid 601085&sid=aLq__5sibbvo&refer=europe

owl wrote:
> On Jul 22, 9:04 am, "Peter Muehlbauer" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> With the higher flux of CR in the last decade, the chances of cloud
>> condensation has risen drastically.
>
> Rebuttal:- http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?pB

If the NASA girls are correct about the solar slowdown,
we should know within a decade about how effective CR is.


>> Since troposhere is cooling for a decade,
>
> Refutted in 2005. Data and formula errors at UAH. Current unresolved
> issue is equatorial troposphere measurements.

Strangely enough, the RSS data show much more dramatic cooling than
the UAH data over the last six years anyway.

Following up to God Save the Queen! <[email protected]> wrote:

>LONDON -- Helicopter and boat crews rescued hundreds trapped Saturday
>after storms whipped through Britain, flooding towns and villages,
>including William Shakespeare's picturesque birthplace where waters
>gushed into a theater.

didnt know *that* Stratford was in London
--
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Following up to "Peter Muehlbauer" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Rainfall is a clear sign of a cooling atmosphere.

what evaporated the water first, sonny?
--
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London on the Water /Londres sur l'Eau!

"john fernbach" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>

London's not flooding at all, and Britain's not under water.

Maybe a dozen counties partially affected, bad though it is in those areas.

Surreyman

Following up to "a.spencer3" <[email protected]> wrote:

>London's not flooding at all

theres a risk in the Kingston area, they are saying.
--
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"owl" <[email protected]> wrote
> On Jul 22, 9:04 am, "Peter Muehlbauer" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > With the higher flux of CR in the last decade, the chances of cloud
> > condensation has risen drastically.
>
> Rebuttal:- http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?pB

real****.org

Contributors:
S. Rahmstorf - a religious-fanatical AGW hysteric, bribed with US$ 1.000.000
by an african commerce group

Mann - well known "hockeystick" liar.


> > Since troposhere is cooling for a decade,
>
> Refutted in 2005. Data and formula errors at UAH. Current unresolved
> issue is equatorial troposphere measurements.

Cite?
Otherwise troposhere is cooling, according to satellite data:
http://www.umweltluege.de/images/LT52GT.jpg

> > Remember the Maunder minimum, where almost no sun activity occured,
> > resulting in high CR flux and cooling down the earth to extreme cold.
>
> It was cooler, not extremely cold - less than 1dC of global cooling at
> most - taking almost 200 years to drop that much and coming out of it
> about 200 years later.

You should inform you before making such claims.
The Maunder minimum was ... ****ing cold.

> > This is, where we are now standing... at the edge of a new minimum.
> > It has already begun for one decade and, after prediction of solar cycle 25 as
> > the weakest of centuries, we will go on cooling, contrary to the IPCC projections
> > of a linear warming to 2100, that must come to their conclusions, because they
> > never enough mentioned solar activity and cosmic rays in their entirety.
>
> The solar explanation comes and goes like the tide.
>
> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid 601085&sid=aLq__5sibbvo&refer=europe

Who is Bloomberg?
Does he have the same references like Solanki, Hoyt, Schatten Svensmark, Shaviv
and other real scientists?

You're simply an egomaniac liar.

"owl" <[email protected]> wrote
> On Jul 22, 3:08 am, "Peter Muehlbauer" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > "john fernbach" <[email protected]> wrote
> >
> > > Ah, but as Mrbawana would say - let's look on the bright side on this
> > > story.
> >
> > Of course. Be happy.
> > Rainfall is a clear sign of a cooling atmosphere.
>
> Now there's real non-science.

Really? Is rain cooking our world in your opinion?

> > Together with higher cosmic rays and clouds, it is a clear sign
> > that water vapor becomes more and more saturated in the sky
> > by cooling down. Rain is the consequence.
>
> So now the cosmic rays are fluctuating hourly ... 'water vapour
> becomes more saturated' ... wow, that's neato.
> ... the vapour becomes more saturated (?!) 'by cooling down' ????
>
> Thanks for the comic relief.

Babbling idiot with no clue... that's what you are.

On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:11:29 +0100, The Reid wrote:

> Following up to "Peter Muehlbauer" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Rainfall is a clear sign of a cooling atmosphere.
>
> what evaporated the water first, sonny?

Solar heat?

On Jul 22, 8:43 am, john fernbach <[email protected]> wrote:
> Ah, but as Mrbawana would say - let's look on the bright side on this
> story.
>
> At least GW isn't causing England to suffer from a summer DROUGHT!
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> On Jul 21, 2:30 pm, God Save the Queen! <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,290267,00.html
>
> > Flooding Throughout Britain Traps Hundreds
>
> > Saturday, July 21, 2007
> > Associated Press
>
> > LONDON -- Helicopter and boat crews rescued hundreds trapped Saturday
> > after storms whipped through Britain, flooding towns and villages,
> > including William Shakespeare's picturesque birthplace where waters
> > gushed into a theater.
>
> > Motorists slept overnight in cars on rain-lashed highways, while
> > others were attempting to find vehicles abandoned on major roads
> > Friday after the downpours caused long delays.
>
> > Meteorologists said many areas of Britain had more than a month's
> > worth of rain in a few hours Friday and predicted more downpours
> > across the weekend.
>
> > "These are the sorts of rainfalls that we experienced in the past
> > every 100 years, every 150 years, sometimes every 200 years -- they're
> > very extreme, Baroness Barbara Young, chief executive of Britain's
> > Environment Agency, told Sky News.
>
> > Weather forecaster MeteoGroup UK, said that Pershore, a town around
> > 125 miles (200 kilometers) northwest of London, was worst hit,
> > drenched by 145.4 millimeters (5.72 inches) of rain in 25 hours,
> > between Thursday and Friday. Usual levels are 50-60 millimeters (2 to
> > 2.3 inches) in a month, the center said.
>
> > Waters rushed into the basement of the Royal Shakespeare Theater, in
> > Stratford-upon-Avon, around 100 miles (160 kilometers) northwest of
> > London.
>
> > The theater company, which has two other venues in the town and is
> > currently refurbishing the flooded venue, canceled a planned
> > performance of "Macbeth" on Saturday, fearing audiences wouldn't be
> > able to reach the site.
>
> > "The area where the theaters are is under water," said spokesman Dean
> > Asker. "It's a shame we're not performing "The Tempest," it would've
> > been more appropriate."
>
> > Royal air force helicopters rescued more the 100 people from rooftops
> > of flooded villages and around 2,000 people spent Friday night in
> > emergency shelters in Gloucestershire, a county in southwest England.
>
> > "I've never seen torrential rain like this, the weather has been
> > freakish across the whole of the country," said Parmjit Dhanda, a
> > lawmaker who represents the city of Gloucester in parliament.
>
> > Dozens of train journeys and flights were canceled Friday -- but
> > services were operating as normal on Saturday.
>
> > Darren Carr, among those stranded overnight in Gloucestershire, was
> > forced to abandon a train journey with his family. "We are tired, fed
> > up and we don't know when we are going home," Carr said.

No except there is now a shortage of clean water !

Rogered

"Rogered" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] ups.com...
>
> No except there is now a shortage of clean water !

Except that one is busy fizzling out now.

Panic over it seems.

Interesting how 'six dead, 20,000 houses ruined in Yorkshire, roads closed
for a week' isn't a crisis but 'nobody dead, 3,000 houses flooded, roads
closed for less than a day' within commuting distance of London is a crisis
so bad that the COBRA committee has to meet.

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

"William Black" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Rogered" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected] ups.com...
> >
> > No except there is now a shortage of clean water !
>
> Except that one is busy fizzling out now.
>
> Panic over it seems.
>
> Interesting how 'six dead, 20,000 houses ruined in Yorkshire, roads
closed
> for a week' isn't a crisis but 'nobody dead, 3,000 houses flooded, roads
> closed for less than a day' within commuting distance of London is a
crisis
> so bad that the COBRA committee has to meet.
>

Point taken. :-))

But, to be fair, there weren't towards half-a-million without water for, we
now hear, up to 2 weeks.

I suspect the Severn Valley is as little enamoured as yourself!

Surreyman